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quickflick wrote:Yasir Shah is, indeed, an excellent bowler, Decentric. The thing is that Lord's isn't even so highly rated for its turn. And yet Yasir Shah, in his first Test match outside the subcontinent, still gets turn, drift and still destroys batsmen. It will be interesting how he goes at the other grounds with may turn more.
I wholeheartedly agree that one of the most exciting things in cricket is watching a leg-spinner of the highest quality at work.
They're amazing and, aside from making the ball turn a huge amount, the best ones seem to read the game (and their opponent so well). Or maybe I say that because the era of Shane Warne was fairly recently. Anyway, by all accounts the great leg-spinners do this.
My main bowling style was leg-spin, when I played cricket in my mid teens. I could turn a few, but I had such a lack of control.
On the technical aspect of leg-spin. I read a comment on a youtube video which seemed reasonably on the money and seemed to tally with my own limited experience bowling (or trying to bowl) leg spin. Anyway the comment was that the direction of the arm in the follow through gives an idea of whether the ball is designed to produce that ripping turn or drift a bit more. Both being remarkable skills. I'm going from memory but the bloke commenting underneath was probably saying that Shane Warne started to drift the ball more and turn it a bit less as his career went on because his shoulder surgery made it difficult to do this, I think it was.
I gather he said that when the bowling arm (of a right-handed leg-spinner), in its follow-through, ends up more to the right, it imparts more spin. It's difficult to illustrate this without a diagram but you may have to mime the action yourself. Basically, it's because you're best using your shoulders to generate revs. Whereas, when the arm ends up more to the left of the bowler, the action has allowed the ball to drift more.
I'm not quite sure of these things. Possibly grazorblade can shed some light on it all. Certainly some amazing deliveries have drift and turn. They're amazing skills, that's for sure.
Here's a video of Shane Warne outwitting Daryll Cullinan with some extremely clever bowling. The bloke is a tactical genius. Also, I heard Warney say that he invented the slider, I think it was, because he couldn't move his fingers properly after some fracture or operation. So he just invents a whole new delivery which works wonderfully. What a way to respond to what should be a massive hindrance. His resourcefulness is phenomenal.
[youtube]DlyG5wnW7I0[/youtube]
Finally, Decentric, I'm going to post an article in the Olympics thread by Gideon Haigh. It's worth reading if only because any article on sport by Haigh is worth reading. I can't think of a better Australian sport writer (for any sport) out there.
Edited by quickflick: 21/7/2016 05:27:33 AM Thanks for the analysis, QF. My flash doesn't work though.
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What on earth device/OS/browser wise are you using Decentric that you don't have flash working? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:What on earth device/OS/browser wise are you using Decentric that you don't have flash working?
-PB There is some weird thing going on that tells me I need to update it every few weeks, even a week when I Iinstall it. Sometimes I try to load it and it doesn't do it properly. I've read that failure to function properly can be due to protection from viruses. Flash seems to be being replaced by Youtube.
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Yasir Shah 10 wickets player of the match in one match
Next match 1 for 213
Thats cricket
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australia vs sri lanka today sri bowled out for 110 and oz have 2/66 at stumps Meanwhile o'keefe's first class record is amazing! http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7069.htmlIf he can reproduce that for australia we have a world class player on our hands
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Missed yesterday's game. O'Keefe looked really innocuous in the UAE against Pakistan and a big reason they thrashed us. As a Shield bowler at Bellerive he looks tight, but innocuous. However, one of the Tassie Shield spinners has told me it is a hard ground to bowl on for off spinners.
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Decentric wrote:Missed yesterday's game. O'Keefe looked really innocuous in the UAE against Pakistan and a big reason they thrashed us. As a Shield bowler at Bellerive he looks tight, but innocuous. However, one of the Tassie Shield spinners has told me it is a hard ground to bowl on for off spinners. yet to see him since its a crazy time at work at the moment. I might tune into the second innings my biggest concern with lyon is he doesn't dominate when conditions are favorable. He actually does quite well in unfavourable conditions. Perhaps he doesn't get enough practice in favourable conditions. Word is he dominated the middle order yesterday
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The new Sri Lankan leg spinner, Sandakan, was disguising his googly so well, Aussie batters were struggling to pick it.
Good to see some cricket where the pitch favoured spin.
8 of Australia's wickets were lost to spin.
Unfortunately, the cricket was rained off again.
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Do you reckon it's more difficult for finger spinners to dominate quite as much as wrist spinners? Favourable conditions or otherwise.
Obviously, there have been many times when finger spinners have decimated good batting line-ups. But as they don't get quite as much spin as wrist spinners tend to get...
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quickflick wrote:grazorblade
Do you reckon it's more difficult for finger spinners to dominate quite as much as wrist spinners? Favourable conditions or otherwise.
Obviously, there have been many times when finger spinners have decimated good batting line-ups. But as they don't get quite as much spin as wrist spinners tend to get... I thought so as a kid but there have been so many ruthless finger spinners in the sub continent where conditions are favourable - probably more than dominant wrist spinners. It may be that we lack the coaching know how in australia to teach how to dominate as a finger spinner in favourable conditions
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Amazing knock from Mendis
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RedKat wrote:Amazing knock from Mendis surprisingly his control according to cricinfo has been around 75% throughout his innings! Typically centurians had control well over 90% our batsmen all had their control at 80+ he has also been quite aggressive too. He has a high run rate which means he has been quite aggressive Unfortunately I haven't had much chance to watch today but all that makes me wonder if he has ridden his luck a bit today
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Didnt see it like that at all. He ended the day on 83% control. His low control seems more from a very proactive and aggressive style. Around half his runs came from boundaires and even the "uncontrolled" shots were not risky. It was just a really great counter attacking knock
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Great innings from Mendis in that situation, it could well be a match winning innings.
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grazorblade wrote:quickflick wrote:grazorblade
Do you reckon it's more difficult for finger spinners to dominate quite as much as wrist spinners? Favourable conditions or otherwise.
Obviously, there have been many times when finger spinners have decimated good batting line-ups. But as they don't get quite as much spin as wrist spinners tend to get... I thought so as a kid but there have been so many ruthless finger spinners in the sub continent where conditions are favourable - probably more than dominant wrist spinners. It may be that we lack the coaching know how in australia to teach how to dominate as a finger spinner in favourable conditions I think the extra bounce in Australia over the subcontinent helps the wrist spinners more than the finger spinners.
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I had to leave the game for an hour or so.
Before I left, O'Keefe and Lyon had 3-4 appeals turned down in a few overs, where umpire, Kettleborough presided, I think, that should have given out all three LBWs.
The first he knocked back clipped the leg stump from the replay, but less than half the ball hit the stumps. So Oz lost an appeal when it should've been out LBW.](*,)
Then it was unequivocally out LBW, middle stump from the replay, but Australia didn't opt for the replay and Kettleborough missed it.](*,)
Third, the ball hit the stumps LBW, Kettleborough ruled not out, but Oz replay showed more of the ball outside of the three stumps, wicket to wicket. According to replay rules, one has to have more than 50% of the ball in line between the three stumps wicket to wicket, to be deemed out LBW, via replay. Unfortunately this penalises the big turning balls.](*,)
Then Kettleborough missed yet another edge, an hour or so later and a close in fielder caught it off Lyon, but Oz had no more replays.](*,)
Really Australia should have both of the big scorers in the partnership out, early in their innings and may have already won the game.
But Kettleborough 's repeated incompetence and the current rules of the game which are against the interests of spinners, have ruined the game.
Regardless of Australia suffering from bad umpiring, I want to see spinners get more rules in favour of them, otherwise we will see them die out of the game. In Australai most pitches are so conducive to pace over spin, few shield players are bowling in helpful spinning conditions. Ditto South Africa.
IMO the best cricket I see is on the subcontinent. In India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the ball spins to the extent that there is often spin from both ends.
One sees a heck of a lot of cricket, even in slow scoring periods. With the domination of pace in Australia we spend most of the time watching bowlers walk back to their mark and run into bowl, as opposed to batting, bowling and fielding actions.
If one doesn't have access to pay TV, they probably see no Test cricket on good spinning pitches.
In Australia I think we are doing great disservice to cricket by constantly producing pitches where mediocre pace bowlers look good, and , decent spinners look mediocre. One Shield spinner told me recently how frustrating it is to play on surfaces that are so spin unfriendly in Australia.
Also spectators rarely enjoy the volume, and arguably quality of cricket, in terms of actions completed per hour of play in Australia that they do on the subcontinent.
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I should also say that the replay system , where both teams have 2 incorrect calls per innings, Australia also beat NZ last year in Adelaide where one decisive decision went in our favour, to the Kiwis' detriment , when it should have been in their favour.
That decision was critical in the outcome of the Test match.
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Mendis out for 176. Superb knock and probably the first real bad shot hes played reaching for the ball.
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australia playing aggresively but also rotating the strike after a big shot which is probably the right way to go they are just having a bit of trouble executing the plan
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burns has twice hit over the top then sought a quick single through clever placement and taking the pace of the shot the ball after. Textbook
lets hope this is his day
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both batsmen using their feet well using big strides forward back and sideways to prevent the spinners from settling
so long as you don't throw yourself off in the process it is very effective
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shame burns got out
will take a very good innings to win
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Great comments, grazorblade.
This might be a bridge too far. I'm happy to see Sri Lanka do well. But it's annoying to carry on being poor in the subcontinent against spin.
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quickflick wrote:Great comments, grazorblade.
This might be a bridge too far. I'm happy to see Sri Lanka do well. But it's annoying to carry on being poor in the subcontinent against spin. it aint easy conditions ok but not spectacular bowlers are turning it more than warne in his heyday. I remember when clarke got 6/9 in sri lanka Australia are managing their innings well so they have improved that part of their game since the collapses in England lets hope they have the technique and talent to make it count
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sri lanka playing leg theory
not a fan of a 7-2 leg side field even if its slow bowling
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One of our worst matches in a long, long time. Great bowling from Sri Lanka it has to be said, but so much shocking batting from us. Thankfully the Lankans had a terrible first innings.
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sri lanka with a more positive field now
having said that lets hope it doesnt work
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