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Bold new US cricket strategy

A temporary pop-up stadium in Central Park is being considered as a way of bringing cricket to a new audience

A future World T20 event could be played in the US, with New York's Central Park touted as a possible venue in a bold new strategy to take cricket to the US.

The untapped United States market has long been eyed as a source of enormous growth, and Cricket Australia are spearheading ICC investigations into hosting an international tournament there sometime between 2023 and 2031.

"We know that within 50km or so of New York City there are literally tens of thousands of cricket fans. And we also know the propensity of Indian fans to travel from all over America," Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland told News Corp.

"There’s lots of expats there. To that end we don’t need to just look at the traditional American stadiums, we can also look a little bit creatively at the opportunity to play a big international match, to make a statement in an iconic place like Central Park."

The Central Park plan – a temporary pop-up stadium with a drop in pitch somewhere in the vast 843 acre site – is just one of the left-field proposals being considered.

While a cricket stadium popping up in the middle of Central Park sounds fanciful, there's no shortage of space in the park. The Great Lawn area, a vast sprawling open space dotted with baseball diamonds, occupies some 55 acres. For perspective, the MCG stadium occupies around five acres.

"This might be a ridiculous dream, but just imagine Australia versus India played at Central Park on Manhattan Island,” Sutherland said.

"Perhaps there are other good examples of places across America where you could play a big game like that with temporary grandstands.

"My personal view is that it would be great at some stage in the next cycle for the ICC to commit to having a world event in the USA. Why not? Bring big games and big names to the country, it’s one of the biggest commercial markets in the world."

Caribbean cricket fever hits in Florida heat

A global cricket tournament in the US would mirror the approach taken by the round-ball football code, which enjoyed a surge of popularity after hosting the 1994 Fifa World Cup in the country.

However, the lack of suitable oval stadiums provides an obstacle cricket must overcome.

Shane Warne and Sachin Tendulkar headlined a series of exhibition T20 games at baseball venues across the US in 2015, to huge crowds in New York, Houston and Los Angeles.

Tendulkar turns back the clock in LA

A follow up series initially pencilled in for October this year has failed to materialise but Warne at least demonstrated what could be achieved, although it's unlikely converted baseball diamonds with their narrow dimensions would be suitable to host a global tournament with professional players at the peak of their powers.

The Caribbean Premier League has held matches in Florida in recent years, while West Indies played India - also in Florida - in two T20Is last year.

Sutherland though is unperturbed and believes there is plenty of time to iron out the details if the full ICC board can be convinced.

"The reality is if you give enough lead time and telegraph it, you can get there,” Sutherland said.

"There’s two or three stadiums now, there are stadiums you can convert and there’s green space you can convert with temporary grandstands.

"Soccer is a good analogy in terms of the big decisions Fifa and others made in terms of their desire to grow the game in the US a long time ago.

"There’s a very clear strategy in how to grow the game and there’s a lot of layers to that … and as I often talk about it’s building from the top down and the bottom up.

"There are tens of thousands of people who live in America who play cricket every week during summer.

"Participation is really important, engaging with the competition, but also at the higher level, creating aspiration to play for your country and having a pathway competition, including in the college system."

It's been reported that more than a quarter of all international visitors to Australia and New Zealand for the 2015 World Cup came from the US, and the nation is the fourth biggest TV rights market behind India, Australia and England.

Bold new US cricket strategy | cricket.com.au



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I think there is great potential in the USA. As written given the Asian population that live there.

Also this-  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/indian-american-to-build-8-cricket-stadiums-in-us/articleshow/56930109.cms
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Selection for the first test is very interesting. Renshaws been out of form but someone of his age and potential should really be invested in and backed. Hes definitely got the potential to be a very good test cricketer. 

But after hitting some decent 50s last Shield game, Bancroft hit 228*, his highest first class score. Hes opening and wearing the gloves for WA.

After a two fifties in the last Shield game, Maxwell got out for 5. After a pair in the last game, Cartwright got out for 35. 

And for keeping neither Wade or Nevill have impressed with the bat.

As for bolters, Jake Lehmanns yet to bat for SA. Marcus Harris followed up his 103 last Shield game with a 85 in an innings where only one other batsman got into double digits (scorecard went 85, 35, extra 8 and the rest of scores were 4,3,2,0)

So the big questions are has Bancroft forced himself in (surely) and if so does he open, bat 6 or bat 7 with the gloves (but hes a part time keeper)? And do you back Renshaw or will playing him whilst hes out of form do more harm than good?

Whos 6, Maxwell mixed big opportunities to cash in on the two fifties and make a hundred, Cartwrights out of form but still has the highest FC average of the contenders by a long way or do they go for Lehmann if he gets another score?

And still what the hells going on with the keeper situation?

At the moment its 

1. Warner
2. Renshaw/Bancroft
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Handscomb
6. Cartwright/Maxwell/Bancroft/Lehmann
7. Nevill/Bancroft/Wade
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood




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Saw an article saying Bancroft to open, Shaun Marsh 6 and Tim Paine 7.

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Yep confirmed, here’s the squad:

Smith
Warner
Bancroft
Khawaja
Handscomb
Marsh (Shaun)
Paine
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazel wood
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The squad has not been officially announced but it certainly seems like the team above is going to be selected.

Renshaw being dropped is a disgrace. 
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Those are utterly ridiculous decisions.

Renshaw got 180 last time he was here and showed enough internationally to know he should have a lot of time invested in him. At the same time Bancroft knocked the door down.

Paine averages 17 the last few years, last 100 in 20066, kept 3 times in the last two years yet now our keeper off the back of one reasonable game. Even Bancroft keeeing made more sense than this. Furthermore Bailey wasn’t allowed to declare and go for a win because the coach forced him to keep batting well well over what was logical to give Paine time to bat.

And then Shaun Marsh recall which is absolutely crazy in every way. He might be close to 10 recalls and none have worked out. At 34 he’s somehow worth investing into again but White, Klinger and Cowan aren’t at all.

Maxwell got a 100 in India, got two fifties in the Shield and was 45* in the same game as Paine that got rained out. Cartwrights now been dropped twice in a two test career hardly the way to develop and back talent. We also now have no fifth bowling option so if a quick goes down or has a shocker then we are in trouble

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The selectors clearly have no idea what our best batting lineup is, or who our best keeper is. If I was England I’d be licking my lips about this.

I don’t see what the point of dropping Renshaw is when his replacement hasn’t even played a test match yet. Asking Bancroft to making his debut in an Ashes test against Broad and Anderson is a big ask.

Renshaw played well in Australia - I saw his big hundred at the SCG and I think he deserved another chance.

I don’t mind Wade getting dropped, but his replacement is very surprising. Paine did nothing for 3 years, then scored two fifties and got picked. You have to wonder what they have against Nevill, who is clearly the next best wicketkeeper-batsman in Australia. Three weeks of poor form with the bat has counted against him.

Shaun Marsh scored runs in shield, but so did Cartwright, Bailey and Maxwell.

The bowling lineup looks good, but with only four bowlers we better hope Pat Cummins or doesn’t break down.


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Callum Ferguson actually performed best in the Shield period I think but he had one test and got marked tainted good. Ferguson, Maxwell, Cartwright, Lehmann, Hughes, Klinger, Cowan, White and Bailey all made far more sense than Marsh whos got his 8th or 9th recall. 

Its like they sat at the table and thought "England are missing Stokes how can we make this test a contest"

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Just had a look at the shield stats - Bancroft scored a double hundred in the last shield game, and scored a runs in another game against NSW against the test attack. He smashed the door down, while Renshaw failed in most innings. Understandable selection but still a big ask.
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Tim Paine has always looked like the type to step up to test level, and the only reason he wasn't given an extended run at test level much earlier was injury. He's a better keeper than Wade or Neville, and the only reason he hasn't been keeping for Tasmania is political.
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Hes averaged 19 with the bat the last four Shield Seasons. Has 1 career hundred in 2006. First class average of 29

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Yeah Paine is a big of a bolter ... considering he hasn't be in favour in Tasmania for so many years, makes you wonder how can be picked for Aussie team??
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He’s the best keeper in the country and by a fair margin, he’s also got a great temperament and a handy bat. If selectors only picked on averages we literally wouldn’t need them.
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99 Problems - 17 Nov 2017 3:39 PM
He’s the best keeper in the country and by a fair margin, he’s also got a great temperament and a handy bat. If selectors only picked on averages we literally wouldn’t need them.

FC average of 29 and an average of 19 over the last 4 years doesnt exactly scream handy bat. 

That said even with him not keeping too much recently I feel like his selection is alot more justifiable than Marsh's.

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Tim Paine would have played a lot of test matches if his finger had not been destroyed and his career almost ended. 
Tim Ludeman, former long term SA wicket keeper before Alex Carey replaced him has stated Paine is the best keeper in the country and that seems to be a general opinion but he is not keeping, he is not batting well, he has other injury concerns. Very strange selection.

Bancroft has been pushing for selection for a while and is an opener. However he could have been selected to play at 6, there have been a history of openers being picked to play 6. Blewett and Elliot are two examples, although recently we have tried to make it a spot for allrounders so it has not happened lately. Discarding Renshaw is very poor, he has done enough to keep his spot even though his Shield form has not been great. 
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Sack them all.

National shame.

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The irony of all of this is just hilarious. Coming a day after Lehmann had a whinge about the fans (ironic given the treatment Bairstow got from the Aussies). I've always disliked Smith. Sack them all. Australia still isn't clear from the underarm delivery so I can't imagine how long its going to take to get past this one. 

Pathetic. 

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Warner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order.

Had to laugh at one of the Australian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful.

What a fucking idiot.  You just got cut for 6 you clown.

And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'.   WTF ?   They've been grubby cunce for over a decade.   Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket.





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Munrubenmuz - 26 Mar 2018 10:07 AM
Warner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order.

Had to laugh at one of the Austrlian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful.

What a fucking idiot.  You just got cut for 6 you clown.

And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'.   WTF ?   They've been grubby cunce for over a decade.   Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket.



When there is over the top banter or poor sportsmanship in a cricket series one of the teams is almost always Australia. I miss the days of Steve Waugh and co. Excellent cricketers, top blokes. 

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BETHFC - 26 Mar 2018 10:31 AM
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When there is over the top banter or poor sportsmanship in a cricket series one of the teams is almost always Australia. I miss the days of Steve Waugh and co. Excellent cricketers, top blokes. 

The rot set in with Steve Waugh.  He started the whole 'mental disintegration' garbage.  Before that there was 'banter' which was generally good natured with the occasional bit of nasty stuff.

The last decent captain that didn't engage in this rubbish was Mark Taylor.

Everything that happened here is directly attributable to Steve Waugh.  (And he's admitted as such.)  And don't get me wrong I used to like Steve Waugh before he was captain, not least because he used to play soccer for NSW.

Personally the cheating part is not what irks me the most.  It's the send-offs.  It's ugly, it's unnecessary, it's poor sportsmanship, it's basically pathetic.  The bloke's already out, how or why is it even allowed?


  


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BETHFC - 26 Mar 2018 10:31 AM
Munrubenmuz - 26 Mar 2018 10:07 AM

When there is over the top banter or poor sportsmanship in a cricket series one of the teams is almost always Australia. I miss the days of Steve Waugh and co. Excellent cricketers, top blokes. 

Apart from Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, & Michael Slater 



Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Munrubenmuz - 26 Mar 2018 10:07 AM
Warner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order.

Had to laugh at one of the Austrlian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful.

What a fucking idiot.  You just got cut for 6 you clown.

And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'.   WTF ?   They've been grubby cunce for over a decade.   Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket.



Make that 2 decades

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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You guys really need to read "Never a Gentleman's Game" by Malcolm Knox. A great cricket history book that shows that over the top sledging, behind the scenes shenanigans, cheating and match fixing have been a part of cricket from the very beginning. A great read.
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Kamaryn - 26 Mar 2018 11:47 AM
You guys really need to read "Never a Gentleman's Game" by Malcolm Knox. A great cricket history book that shows that over the top sledging, behind the scenes shenanigans, cheating and match fixing have been a part of cricket from the very beginning. A great read.

No one's naive enough to think other countries aren't doing it either but it's the whole attitude of the Australian cricket team.  We're next level wankers. 

It's us up top, daylight and then everyone else.  

And besides which the old 'everyone is doing it' argument is no defense.





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Dumb enough to get caught. It was so clumsy and idiotic. There have been others that have brought the game into far more disrepute than anyone in the current australia side, but nothing so dumb and obvious as this.
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This raised eyebrows with me. It was a WTF moment.


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Munrubenmuz - 26 Mar 2018 10:37 AM
BETHFC - 26 Mar 2018 10:31 AM

The rot set in with Steve Waugh.  He started the whole 'mental disintegration' garbage.  Before that there was 'banter' which was generally good natured with the occasional bit of nasty stuff.

The last decent captain that didn't engage in this rubbish was Mark Taylor.

Everything that happened here is directly attributable to Steve Waugh.  (And he's admitted as such.)  And don't get me wrong I used to like Steve Waugh before he was captain, not least because he used to play soccer for NSW.

Personally the cheating part is not what irks me the most.  It's the send-offs.  It's ugly, it's unnecessary, it's poor sportsmanship, it's basically pathetic.  The bloke's already out, how or why is it even allowed?


  
Muz, sorry I can't agree on picking out SW.
Sure he was a tough calculating shrewd Captain and sledger but he wasn't involved or agreeing with any cheating as this from my recollection back in those days.
As far as I'm concerned even before then chappeli was as ruthless a Captain and more out on the pitch and it sure wasn't "good natured banter"  from the likes of Lillee/Marshy/Thommo/Merv etcetc all game, it was nasty below the belt stuff don't you worry about that and they wanted to win at all costs.
Feck, Greggi forced his bro to underarm the last ball preventing any chance for 6  that game at the death, wasn't that to win at all costs another eg.
Our cricketers from the 70's/80's were ruthless/banter kings but fair imo right through AB to Waugh onto Taylor.
Upon Ponting taking the reign but near the end was when we were starting to lose our grip as world beaters due to players not to the high standards we had enjoyed was when the rot started in desperation competing with the past brilliant gens we had.
Ad that our own CA has become a basket case for years led by idiot Sutherland only worries about the $$$$ as do the players just as much.

Smith Warner and Lehmann should burn.
A broom needs to go through us for the better.



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