Well they have every right to be upset because it should have been a try. It's made even worse by saying Brett Morris controlled the ball for NSW's second try :lol:

If the GI no try call was ruled a try and we go onto win, I'd be saying the same thing. In fact I've been saying this for a long time, the way he plays simply does not suit our gameplan.

The last sentence is misleading - yea if you have someone a little low on match fitness, under an injury cloud or perhaps had a shocker in the previous originmatch but provided they've been there before and have shown they are up to this level of football ie Slater, GI, Hodges, Boyd, you back them into perform.

On the other hand Mal has had no problem dropping guys like McQueen, Dave Taylor and Ben Hannant who are simply not up to that origin level (and this is where DCE fits in).

On actual NRL form DCE hasn't been picked on merit since 2013, I'd say all his origin performances have been below par (but I'll give him leeway for the first couple as he was used as a bench utility). In the last 4Nations campaign he was woeful against England and New Zealand as well.When it comes to Rep football DCE looks like a dear in the headlights at some stage you've got to stop sticking your head in the sand.

Edited by Roar_Brisbane: 18/6/2015 01:07:39 PM

Morris had complete control. Grounded perfectly.

Inglis's try was disallowed cos he's actually from Newcastle. Its a complete joke he's allowed to play for QLD. My best mate played footy with him.

In Newy. FFS.

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So that constitutes downward pressure? I guess if you slow it down that far you could make anything a try....

I'm rubbing it in, but you only have to have one finger onto it to constitute grounding of the ball. The slow-mo showed the ball didn't bounce before he grounded it indicating he didn't knock it on.

Glad the idea of keeping GI out super wide didn't last long either.

Guy needs to be in the centres ffs.

If you have Hunt in halves with Thurston and then GI etc out wide with Slater coming in from behind, it would demolish any defense.

Make it happen Mal ffs.

-PB

I hope it happens to QLD in the next origin so NSW can complain. I'm on the Gold Coast so i'll hear the chorus of whinging from the border :lol:

Its been a lol day having been in briz last 2days.
The bogan tribe are very quiet - front page We was Robbed lol.....
Its a vewyvewy quiet :)
Theres always controversy - wouldnt be origin but the bogan cant help themselves.

Whats frustrating is there seems to be a notion that DCE is the next captain for Qld, that he's the heir to Cronk or perhaps they've invested so much time into that he's got to be the next cab off the bank. Instead Mal and the selectors should be factoring in our gameplan, individual playstyle and form.

Cronk obviously has that world class kicking/finishing game that neither Hunt or DCE have at this stage.

But in terms of physical stature Cronk and Hunt are virtually identical they both have unbelievable core strength and the power they have in their legs due to their low centre of gravity. Where as DCE is taller and fair skinnier and doesn't have that type of core strength.

Cronk just steers the ship, he doesn't need the ball in his hand all the time but when he gets it (particularly on those short blind sides)he goes forward first foremost and chances just happen. I'd just look at a lot of the tries and TA that Cronk has scored in his career and they are very similar to what Hunt does at the Broncos. (and with JT being the dominant half that type of style perfectly compliments him).

Meanwhile DCE plays very differently its almost a selfish like style, the team needs to be based around him. He needs to be the centre of the attack, the ball always in his hands so he can glide around sideways/diagonally until he finds some space (But thats a very hard thing to do in Origin & with JT being the dominant half, DCE struggles with the team not being set up to suit him).

There's also day and night in Hunts/Cronks defending and determination compared to DCE as well.

Lastly Hunt had six Broncos teammates out there last night in term of combinations in both attack and defence that's a huge advantage as well.

Slater out for the season. Hard to see the Storm staying in the 8 now.

Yeah that is a really stupid decision to have Inglis out wide. It really only provides an opportunity for him in an attacking sense maybe one tackle per sett. Underutilised.

That Morris try was 100% a try. All that is needed is body pressure. It didn't leave his body for even 0.01 of a second so I'm not even sure why people are complaining about it - And that's even looking at it in slow motion.

Yea it was a pretty strange move tbh; I understand him being back there for kick returns but for your third/fourth and fifth tackle for him to still be on the wing when you're in attack just means he'll get less ball. But then again Boyd made a great break and GI scored from it (from memory).


Munster is a great kid and they've still got a very good squad, I think they'll still be there (Just need Cronk back asap).

Think people were complaining because you see that exact some try not given week in week out by video refs.

-PB

Yeah and that's fair enough. Most of the video referees seemingly have no fucking idea when it comes to basic physics. If QLD scored that try and it was disallowed I would've been livid anyway so it's really not out of bias.

Cricket isn't perfect when it comes to using replays, but there really needs to be some kind of standardised procedure and aspects of what constitutes "loss of possession" that league could borrow, because it is ridiculous how it seems to be so subjective.

Same goes for the strip rule, one thing I oddly agreed with Gus Gould about.

Every time you see one there's 40 different interpretations on it.

-PB

I actually have no idea what the ruling of it is anymore, they just change this shit way too often. I enjoyed the original ruling when they brought the 1 on 1 strip in, where the ball can be stripped only if no other defender even touches him throughout the tackle (while 2+ defenders are involved, of course). It just made it so much more clear cut. Sure it mightn't be as exciting but at least it's virtually impossible to get wrong.

Yep.

Now days there are times when a 2nd defender is nowhere near the tackle and someone will strip it but they'll give a penalty to the offensive team (they use the excuse that both elbows were on the ground therefore is "tackled" or held had been called therefore you can't strip beyond that point).

Speaking of tackling, this is the official ARL ruling;



How the fuck have half the tries scored this season not been double movement then? (another one of the rulings that has gone bonkers with interpretation by video refs this season).

Another area that shits me off as well is not calling time off as soon as there is a break in play or when conversions are being taken.

Can't remember the stats but there is some shocking ones out there whereby most NRL games only have something like 60/80 minutes of actual running and playing.

-PB

I'm not sure Gus has ever considered a strip a strip. Every single time it happens it's a loose carry, even if it's the most blatant strip.

So Maloney to the Sharks. Would put good money on Hodkinson to the Titans then.

Yea thats one thing I do agree with Gus, the amount of times I've seen a defender come into a tackle and has made a strong initial contact on the attackers arm or has hit the ball and than the attacker proceeds to drop it, its a loose carry not a penalty ffs.

Also with that GI no try what annoys me is seeing as the refs gave it a try on the field so for the video ref to overrule it, it has to be conclusive. Given the video ref must have sat there for a good two to three minutes watching replay after replay on super slowmo of the same angle. I really don't see how that can be conclusive. Its just frustrating that they've got these procedures in place to follow but they just ignore them. :?

When it comes to whether it's a strip or not what decides it for me is whether you can see an attempt from the defensive player to strip the ball and they make a play at it. If it's just solid contact and the ball comes free than that's not a strip, but I thought for the Inglis one Morgan made a play to strip the ball as his arm comes across Pearce, that's what I think helped the video ref make his decision.

Nate Myles knocked it on either way. Plus Inglis is clearly in front every player that touched the ball

Re stripping I was just talking in general not about the Morgan one.

But in regards to the Morgan one I've watched it a few times and I'm still not convinced Morgan has propelled the ball forward.

Pearce has stepped inside Morgan tries to just hold on to him wraps his arm around the ball but do to his momentum he's flung around and is now facing his own try line. But whats important to note here both players are still in contact with the ball, when it is dislodged it doesn't propel towards Morgan it goes straight towards the tryline.

I think at the end of the day regardless of who you support its simply a 50/50 call and given the refs on field ruled it a try theres simply not enough evidence to overturn the decision.

So in that case Sutton & Pattern (who shouldn't be there in the first place) should be stood down for not following simple procedures.

It definitely wasn't a 50/50 call :lol: The forward pass for the Pearce try was also correct

@ 99Problems, but the problem there is the video refs didn't make the call on Myles or Inglis it was in regards to solely what Morgan did.

But In terms of whether Myles knocked it on he simply didn't play at the ball, so it could potentially be ruled as incidental contact -Play on

Yea Inglis is a mile in front of every player but once its off Myles its come off Pearce's leg again (I think so potentially play on again).

Its really a toss of the coin but in reality we shouldn't even be talking about this as Hopoate (or Jennings -not sure who) lost it in a tackle a couple of plays before.

Perhaps you might not see it as a 50/50 call but it certainly wasn't a conclusive call to overturn a decision made by the on field refs though.

The rule has changed to if you're making a tackle you're deemed to be playing at the ball no matter what.

I think Cameron Smith put it best when he said it was a 50/50 call and thought it was a try but did say he was wearing a maroon jersey :lol:

Also Carlin Anderson to the Broncos next season. :d