Joffa you ran away???

:lol: :-({|= :lol: ](*,)

I write a 600-word blueprint for this competition, and you go chasing Joff?

You, sir, are an idiot.

what are you talking about

Do you actually read these forums? As in, do you observe the squiggles on your screen, and realise that, by putting all the squiggles together in a certain order, they form the base of non-verbal human communication?

Go back to page 3, to the bottom of the posts, and read my essay.
Think about it.
Tell me what you think, not that I care.

And stop chasing Joffa: he won't take your bait. It makes you look like the dog, and Joffa is the master.

I am waiting for you to answer my question?

So you're saying that these 8 teams could survive in a pro comp on half the salary cap of the A-League...

South Melbourne FC
Marconi Stallions FC
Sydney United FC
Melbourne Knights FC
Wollongong Wolves FC
Sydney Olympic FC
Brisbane Strikers
Bonnyrigg White Eagles.

My question to you is...what would be the point?

There you go, I'll hold your hand and show you the question. Do you need me to answer it for you, bubba? Do you need a bib for all the shit you talk? Oh dear, little Ultra is struggling.

You are one messed up person. What the point of you living?

Are you serious? are you that messed up?

do you even care about football?

you are the reason the a-league is dying

History (as Wollongong Community FC / South Coast Wolves)

2009 "Wolves" Demise
After winning the 2008 NSW Premier League Championship, the club had showed many financial losses including AUD$240,000 in debts and losses of players and coaches. It was later announced that the current club would cease to exist and a new community organization would be formed which would ensure money problems would not plague the new club in the future.[1]

After a dismal 2009 season, the Wollongong Community Football Club requested a name change back to the former "Wolves" moniker, with the formal request being approved in November 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollongong_Wolves

So lets put aside your refusal or inability to answer my question for just a second...could you explain how this club in its current format could do as you claim.I believe you mentioned a budget of $2 million per annum.

In the Wolves' defence, they were the closest out of the three bids for HAL 2011-12 to reaching franchise status. They have a kit manufacturer, feeder team, stadium, council and business support, and a sponsorship from DHL in waiting. They should be the 13th HAL team, IMHO.

Budget for second tier feasibility for the 8 clubs named above

Income

Season Pass Sales
500 season passes @ $250 = $125,000

Ticket Sales
average crowds of 3,500
Adult
$15 per ticket @2250 = $33,750
Concession/Pensioner
$8 per ticket @500 = $4,000
Children
$0 per ticket @ 750 = $0.00

Total Ticket Revenue
$37,750 @ 7 home games = $264,250

Merchandise = $10,000

Canteen Revenue
7 Home Games @ $30,000 per home game = $210,000

Corporate Box Sales
15 sales @ $7,500 = $112,500

Sponsorship

Main Sponsor = $250,000
Remaining Sponsors
All small and large companies underneath main sponsor = $400,000

NB - every year in the NSL Olympic raised from 800k to 1m in sponsorship.

Income from all Juniors, canteens, and all the rest
When you have over 2,000 kids under you club = $275,000

Annual Ball
800 people @ $150 ph = $120,000 minus expenses = $75,000

Extra Income would be derived from, extra games as having all the same cost but only playing 7 homes games is crazy but thats the format so be it, but with cup games and friendlies extra ticket sales, plus player transfers and community events.

I have not included one cent from the FFA as they currently put $1.2m into a-league clubs i did not even allow for half of that, i have no taken into account a media deal for radio, television and so on.

So total income on fair figures when say fair either the clubs have a proved track record in getting these crowds or a proven track record in acquiring this type of sponsorship of getting that many people to a function they hold.

TOTAL INCOME - $1,721,750.00
(please note only 7 home games )

Thank you very much

If you want to get into expenses let me know sweetie

So you're talking extra sponsors, extra attendances, extra income....you said they could do it right now....your talking budgets and projeted income....that is not what you claimed in your earlier post.

ultragirl wrote:

Now there all the clubs rip roar and ready to go

ultragirl wrote:

NB - every year in the NSL Olympic raised from 800k to 1m in sponsorship.

I call bullshit. So you're saying in 1977 your club raised that figure and in 2004 your club raised that figure yet in 1979 you were relegated.


now I don't have an opinion on your club one way or the other but $800,000 was worth a lot more money in 1977 than it was in 2004.

deflection the tool used by people who cannot admit the truth

:roll: Like you don't use the tool that is deflection either.

Ultragirl, if you wish to have a debate I am all for it but so far in this thread you have called me a dog, a moron and a litte f%g now you may indeed consider this acceptable behaviour but I do not. ayou are welcome to disagree with me at will, but the next insult to anyone may very well have dire consequences.

Do you understand?

i give him respect answer honestly and because the findings of ultragirl's report he doesnt like he talks shit

no wonder why the ffa is going no were with people like him involved

Budget for second tier feasibility for the 8 clubs named above

Income

Season Pass Sales
500 season passes @ $250 = $125,000

Ticket Sales
average crowds of 3,500
Adult
$15 per ticket @2250 = $33,750
Concession/Pensioner
$8 per ticket @500 = $4,000
Children
$0 per ticket @ 750 = $0.00

Total Ticket Revenue
$37,750 @ 7 home games = $264,250

Merchandise = $10,000

Canteen Revenue
7 Home Games @ $30,000 per home game = $210,000

Corporate Box Sales
15 sales @ $7,500 = $112,500

Sponsorship

Main Sponsor = $250,000
Remaining Sponsors
All small and large companies underneath main sponsor = $400,000

NB - every year in the NSL Olympic raised from 800k to 1m in sponsorship.

Income from all Juniors, canteens, and all the rest
When you have over 2,000 kids under you club = $275,000

Annual Ball
800 people @ $150 ph = $120,000 minus expenses = $75,000

Extra Income would be derived from, extra games as having all the same cost but only playing 7 homes games is crazy but thats the format so be it, but with cup games and friendlies extra ticket sales, plus player transfers and community events.

I have not included one cent from the FFA as they currently put $1.2m into a-league clubs i did not even allow for half of that, i have no taken into account a media deal for radio, television and so on.

So total income on fair figures when say fair either the clubs have a proved track record in getting these crowds or a proven track record in acquiring this type of sponsorship of getting that many people to a function they hold.

TOTAL INCOME - $1,721,750.00
(please note only 7 home games )

Thank you very much

If you want to get into expenses let me know sweetie

RIGHT! So here's my magical FFA Cup plan!
Each state league plays off amongst themselves in unseeded, knock-out tournaments.

The following amount of places shall be given to each state league:

NSWPL - 6
VPL - 6

QSL - 2
WAPL - 2
SAPL - 2
NNSWPL - 2
TAS (combined) - 2

ACTPL - 1
NT (combined) - 1

This makes a 24-team pool, representative (in my opinion) of the strength of each respective league.

These 24 teams then play against each other, again in unseeded one-leg knockout matches, with the games to be played at the smaller of the two stadia, regardless of the teams' relative strengths or histories.

Over two rounds, this 24-team pool is reduced to 6 teams.

At this point, the 10 Australian A-League teams enter the competition, raising the number of teams to 16, and producing an even number of teams going towards the final. From this, there are four further matches in order to win the FFA Cup.

From this formula, there are two major issue raised: one, being the length of the tournament for clubs in the state leagues outside the NSWPL and VPL; and two, the timing of each round, as well as the semi finals and final.

In developing this tournament model, I was fully aware of the disparity between the Cup runs of teams from ACT and the NT compared to the NSWPL and VPL. As the two major state leagues in Australia, NSW and Victoria are clearly the second tier of football. They have produced the majority of NSL winners, and are home to the largest and wealthiest clubs. Because of this, they deserve to be rewarded with more preliminary places in the FFA Cup, from which teams in these competitions can further engage with the FFA and modern mainstream football community.

In regards to the amount of games played by each team to reach the final, it will obviously be harder for smaller clubs in outer leagues to make the final rounds of the competition: teams such as those in Canberra or Darwin would be playing in 11 games if they were to reach the final. My reasoning for this nuance is that for a club to pay for travel all over the country seven times for upwards of 20 people would be a huge toll on the club and the FFA's finances. If only one club from Canberra and the NT have to venture on this odyssey, it limits the spending of less well-off clubs such as those mentioned.

Similarly, as FNSW is well-known for it's financial standing, funding ventures of this magnitude for the six teams that qualify to the second preliminary section would not be an issue. As well as drawing funding from their governing body, the six clubs would be somewhat self-sufficient and could pay the majority of their own transport and accomodation costs.

Relating to the second point of contention - the timing of the tournament - I foresee the sectional knockout rounds being played from April to August, and the second preliminary fixtures being played from August into October. This would allow a flow-on effect, with interest piquing as the A-League season commences.

The next four rounds would be played as such:
Round of 16 - 2nd week of November
Round of 8 - last weekend of November
Semi final - first weekend of January
Final - weekend BEFORE Australia Day

Playing the final on Australia Day so early would be foolish, as Australians are wrapped up in their pseudo-love of cricket on our National Day. In time, moving the fixture to Australia Day would be feasible, but would only be advised after several successful seasons of this competition.