ps. "Brazilian soccer schools" :lol:

Where else is there a systematic and sequential break down of specific Brazilian deception and turning techniques coaches can access?

Wilf Coerver does something a little different, like ensure two footedness.

You realise Alfred Galustian, Coerver supremo, is a skills adviser to the EPL don't you?

Theo Walcott, Michael Owen and another EPL player whose name escapes me, have learnt from Brazilian Soccer Schools. BSS were conceived through Simon Clifford's friendship with Juninho.

Clifford then went to Brazil and broke down the techniques. I've Coerverised some of them to ensure players do them with both feet.

I take your point.

I agree unequivocally.

Messi and Arne Robben simply use the sideways Cut, the Matthews Cut,body swerve, changes of pace and inside to inside of the foot dribbling to be just as effective as Chrisitiano.

The thing is, Christiano is the one the kids want to emulate. He usually uses a lot of elastics, Roberto Carlos turns, Ronaldos, Ronaldinhos, Kelebersons, Dennlson step overs (all Brazilian Soccer Schools nomenclature) to intimidate, then often beats players with a simpler body swerve and change of pace. Other than goals this is probably many spectators' favourite event in football.


You seem to have missed the emboldened point from a few posts back.

So you a label Denilson a failure do you?

Wasn't he the highest paid player in the world for a while?


Iniesta and Xavi are very good. Iniesta is master of 'La Croqueta'. This is simply rapid inside of the foot from left to right dribbling. In this country there seems to be an aversion to flamboyant technicians amongst t many football fans and coaches.

Most of the coaching methodology emphasises one and two touch pass and move football ATM. I do a lot of it as KNVB and the contemporary FFA methodology dictates. Sometimes when all passing lanes have been closed down by the opposition, through squeezing and pressing, other than hoofing it long and high, deception techniques are important to get put of trouble.
Nearly all our Asian opponents are superior in this facet of the game to us.

Elite players are doing this stuff here at Ken Morton's Soccer School, which costs $175 per month.

They are also doing it at the NTC and some of the rep and state teams.

Our soccer school is transporting European coaching methodology to a few clubs and junior association headquarters for suburban coaches and ordinary players, not selected for elite programmes, to access.

A lot of effort goes into coaching a select few in Tassie.

At least three coaches, including yours truly, are turning their back on elite programmes, because one only has access to 16-20 players in a season.

We see what we do as an adjunct to Ken Morton, NTC, state and rep programmes. Those players who don't make selection for elite teams, those last two or three who don't make the cut can also access the school.

We have two premier league clubs and one junior association interested.

I'll get back to the trolls from the old TWGF in a few days.

I'm going fishing.

The implication here is that Sydney is the epicentre of world football.

Name one Sydney coach who is travelling the world presenting astonishing players of incredible quality, to France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, France, Germany and Brazil. Then, lecturing KNVB , Clarefontaine, Coverciano on the incredible football methodology from your neck of the woods, Freaken.

Most sage people who reside in Sydney recognise that it is part of one of the outposts of world football, along with all other states in Australia.

Elastics are a brilliant technique. Unfortunately, I cannot do it, even after hours trying. I have to bring players to training sessions to show kids this technique. I only know four local players who can do it. One of them is a female.

In almost every match I see Brazilian players wrong foot and subsequently beat A League players in the ACL by using 'elastics'.

it looks flashy, and, is very effective.

In terms of ostentatious deception techniques look at the roll and scissors technique as termed by the American coach earlier in this thread. the roll and scissors is pretty easy, even though the coach says it is a difficult one to master.

After the roll, if one does a left footed inside step over from left to right, instead of the standard outside Brazilian step over (or scissors) with the right foot as shown in the footage, this technique is called the 'Ronaldo'. It is more fluid than the roll and scissors.
It is even more flamboyant than the standard Brazilian step over, but harder to find the right time to execute it. Archie Thompson often does it in warm ups.



Edited by Decentric: 5/4/2011 01:26:40 AM

'Webby' I'd go back and delete a few of those comments you made about 442 on the other forum. You responded very negatively and emotively to my mooted suggestion for a plethora of 442 members to join that forum to add diversity in discussion. Otherwise someone might be tempted to cut and paste them on here.

The word 'excoriate' 442, plus added profanities, is probably more accurate than anything else to describe your posts. I think 'despise' 442 might be a euphemism for those rabid tirades.

I'm surprised you even visit this forum, yet alone post.

Edited by Decentric: 5/4/2011 01:43:30 AM

If you think teaching children between the ages 9 -13 technical skills is a waist of time then you don’t know anything about football.
That should be the only training they get.

Decentric
I agree with your point on the FFA
But to complicate things further in QLD we have introduced the FFA skills acquisition program (no info available yet all top secret) but at the same time still have Paul Lonton as a RDO a person on record as saying that flicks with the outside of the foot are bullshit dribbling is not to be used kick off should never be backwards as I gives up forward distance and coerver/ futsal is a waste of time.
I can not see how a state body can have two completely different philosophies managing and training their elite players.
Can you see my point?



Edited by krones3: 5/4/2011 06:10:40 AM

Edited by krones3: 5/4/2011 06:11:26 AM

Decentric
Do you think that when group one go to their FFA coaching courses they let their true feelings about football the instructors the philosophy of theirs and/or the FFA be known.
I have seen them and the answer is not on your Nelly.

He held the transfer record for a while when he moved to Betis.

Was he a failure? Fucking oath. Just look at how his club career went. Unless, of course, you define success by the amount of stepovers you do per game

He could dribble all day but he had no end product.

Most of the more competitive junior clubs have already adopted similar programs to what your trying to acheive. Even some of the less competitive clubs are to, one club has adopted the Coerver program lock stock and barrel.

I shall quote for you what I said in regard to 442 posters.



Disparaging in the extreme I am sure. Perhaps you should work in politics, you seem to like stretching the truth to your own means. Perhaps you should 'check your sources' before tainting someone with any particular brush.

Always yours,
Keyboard Warrior
Group 2
The Internet

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhl84n_combination-ronaldinho-and-ronaldo-stepover_news


Just before I walk out the door.

This technique, the Ronaldo, only needs one diagonal side of the foot dribble with the right foot and one inside step over with the left to work effectively.

This 'double' is a new technique to me. A lot can go wrong.

One thing we should remember as adult coaches.

What do the kids want?
SSGs
Tricks to work on in the playground and at home.

These Ronaldo moves at BSS and Coerver are far more game related than the 'round the world' juggling trick. If kids are practising these aforementioned techniques in the video, they are far more useful than 'round the worlds'.

As adult coaches we instruct kids to play a lot of one and two touch pass and move work in diamonds and triangles in training.

We also need to remember that kids play the game for fun. Giving them what they want in a framework is useful.

Great stuff, Arthur.

If Coerver is incorporated with pass and move one and two touch football in 4v4 SSGs, it is a good programme.

If we produced any Denilsons in Australia, I think most of us would be ecstatic.

I'm not sure any of our players have achieved what he has in football.

Remember SC, I agree with you that simple deception techniques work just as well.

I've done sessions with Kelly Cross, Norm Boardman and Tony Franken.

As one NTC coach says, one can learn things from any course.


The difference is that the KNVB guys genuinely believe what they do is very useful.

If we add Alistair Edwards and Harry Bingham to the aforementioned FFA trio, these guys are new adherents of a European methodology. Their mission is to disseminate it in the Australian football milieu. Conversely, the Dutch guys have been inculcated and immersed from a young age.

KNVB also recognises a lot of value in Coverciano, Clarefontaine, Brazilian and Argentinian football.

Good day, Nickk, haven't seen you on 442 before.

All this is part of insight in the KNVB's TIC.

The good thing is they are trying to beat players. The next step is the game intelligence development after the first player has been beaten. In Australia we have a paucity of players who can beat players one on one. When the team tactics break down, there are not many of our top players capable of individual brilliance to turn a game.

These players you've quoted need work in 4v4 diamond (1-2-1) formations in confined spaces. They also need to do a lot of pass and move one and two touch exercises to develop insight within this 4v4 SSG diamond context. It is a question of when to use the deception techniques in the right context.

It sounds like Paul Lonton needs to be sent to Zeist at KNVB HQ in the Netherlands.

They would straighten him out.

Han Berger would have a fit if he heard Paul Lonton suggest this!!!!!!

Looks like one premier league club is ready to go next week after the other two coaches and I meet the committee to establish protocols for club mentors.

Some refugees from Nepal and Burma will be bused in to work with Aussie youth and junior players.

The key question.
With answers.

Dear Decentric,

I am a grandmother of six teenage girls who are all keen on football.

You are quite obviously a highly experienced coach, with a wealth of knowledge, and have enjoyed many successful years at the top end of Australian football.

On this note I am wondering if you have published any books on football and, if so, where can I purchase them.

Thanks,
Judy.

Hey Decentric,

I have emailed the link to this thread to the FFA, I hope that they acknowledge what you are doing and provide you with support.

I think that this tendency to think that Ronaldo, Robinho etc and all sorts of sundry other Brazilians represent some sort of pinnacle of perfection that all young kids should aspire to- is wrong.

Kids with some sort of attacking flair will develop their own style over time. They don't want to be put into a situation where they are deemed to have failed because they can't do a "Matthews cut" or a "Garrincha cut". What the hell is a Garrincha cut anyway? Garrincha had one leg shorter than another, so his unique style of dribbling was unique to him- no-one else could do it, because most people have legs of equal length!:lol:

Show the kids what these tricks are, certainly. But don't get them to just blindly copy them, like parrots. They will eventually incorporate different elements of all this into their own style.

Show the kids what these tricks are, certainly. But don't get them to just blindly copy them, like parrots. They will eventually incorporate different elements of all this into their own style. [/quote]

this is very true, otherwise you can produce robots. What is the correct technique anyway , you can stifle creativity if you over do isolated practice.

Whilst I don't disagree with this you also need to remember there's little 'favela' culture in Australia. Our kids have many options when it comes to sport, entertainment and socialising with their peers. So, not so much of an "obstacle" but a fact of life that won't be changing any time soon.

That said, I would definitely agree that there's a real danger of kids being over-coached by some trumped up boring old inexperienced farts, who are merely parroting notes from a text book. I wouldn't let my grandaughters anywhere near such people.

Edited by judy free: 6/4/2011 08:22:37 AM

Edited by judy free: 6/4/2011 08:23:09 AM

Where has he stated that Brazilians represent the pinnacle? I think you will find that he has said over and over again that there are many different methodologies and techniques which they will be teaching and that he just has an affinity for the Brazilian ones. He has also stated that he thinks they are too flashy and that there are simpler techniques which are just as, if not more, effective.


Yes they develop their own style over time, so why is it bad to teach them some basic skills to use as a foundation on which to build their own style and technique? Or do you think these things evolve in isolation? Also who is going to tell them they have failed? I don’t get where you are coming from, unless you mean you are going to be telling they failed.


Are you suggesting that kids shouldn't learn how to perform these skills? Your comment reads like you think that providing kids with skills and examples that they can then work on and incorporate into their game is the wrong thing to do. Do you think all forms of education are equally valueless?

Decentric has stated already multiple times that their sessions incorporate technical training - i.e. how to do it - and Small Sided Games for the kids to have fun and practise the skills they have been taught. Where is there anywhere in what he has stated that the kids are going to be taught to be little robots?

Coach provides example. Player emulates coach. Player plays Small Sided Game to put in practise.

How is this bad? FFS people are just weird. I have to ask you the same question as localstar, do you think all other forms of education are equally valueless?

Were are you getting the idea that teaching kids how to effectively perform a dribbling technique is going to result in them being a bad player or cause them to lose their creativity? Do you think that players like Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc can do the things they can with a ball because of some inate knowledge or do you think they practised on their own and in competition with their peers building upon the skills and techniques imparted to them by their coaches and learnt from watching their own idols play the game?

Edited by General Ashnak: 6/4/2011 11:37:57 AM

Agreed. The essence of making kids interested and learn.