One would think that state branch FFA, with inadequate numbers from their previous C Licence and Senior Licence courses, would have contacted someone who registered for both the two courses earlier in the year.

Not all people think to check the state FFA website frequently in the off season.

The Senior Licence was just run again. The numbers must have been adequate. Skeptic, I wouldn't pontificate on an issue concerning state FFA when you are far removed.


This scenario replicated last year. The Mariners were brought down to Hobart for a practice match against the Tasmanian state side. State FFA only advertised the game on the state FFA website. How would any fans who wanted to watch elite football have known it was on if they had no association with a club?

State FFA was supposedly an integral part of the organisation of the game. The state FFA official I castigated about it thought that letting clubs know the game was on was adequate.:roll:

1. I'm a current FFA Youth Licence holder. It is current. Now FFA are trying to get coaches to do courses every year to boost the coffers, all in the name of being current. When a FFA Licence is awarded it is current for four years.

The FFA coaching structure goes like this.

Community Coaching

Grass roots.
Junior Licence
Youth Licence
Senior Licence


Advanced Coaching (semi-professional/professional pathway)

C Licence
B Licence
A licence
Pro Licence

The KNVB certivificate I did has manay aspects of C Licence and even some in B Licence. This was advertised by FFA before I did it.

2. Also, KNVB was conducted with world class instructors. FFA courses aren't, but I believe the Advanced coaurses are drawing on KNVB staff.
If one wants to become a better coach it is preferable to do a coach overaeas in Holland, Italy or France.

If one wants to find jobs through the FFA structure (very rare) it is better to pursue FFA coaching courses in Australia, but a coach won't learn anywhere near as much.

3. I'm annoyed that one state FFA staff member said in a meeting with me and another FFE coach, that KNVB had no relevance in Australia. Another from the same organisation rolled his eyes at the same meeting at this statement!!! If I do further training I think I'll do it overseas ATM. There is a lot of , "Do as I say, to get support from us", attitude from FFA.

Some coaches in Australia are going to Asia to be accredited, because they believe there is a clique here who won't assess objectively.

One player who is playing pro futsal in England is going to obtain his UEFA A Licence whilst away to see if it will be recognised here. Another is going to Coverciano to pursue coaching, because he is vexed by the pedantry of FFA.

I'm well-qualified to coach. So is FFE coach C.

Two years ago there were only 7 C Licence holders or higher than that qualification in the state.

Most coaches have far less coaching qualifications and undertaken lower calibre football coaching courses than me.

It seems that FFA don't want to assist FFE because we pose a threat.

Morton Soccer School's assistance has also been terminated. A FFA course for all coaches a few months ago was told more than ever it is state FFA pathway for elite football and everything else, or the highway!!!

Some FFA coaches still have players running without the ball in coaching sessions.:roll: What an absolute joke!!!!! This is anathema to what TDs Baan and Berger have edicted. Yet underneath the national TD we still have this anachronistic practice. If I do another FFA course, I'm possibly going to have guys like this running a session or two.





Edited by Decentric: 6/12/2011 10:50:00 PM

So, in summary you possess a youth licence and next to no practical experience to speak of.

In consideration of your empty CV, you don't think by any chance your attitude towards other tassie coaches and the Aussie system is a tad arrogant?

From the aforementioned post on the ascending licence structure, my FFA Youth Licence is a qualification that exceeds the FFA Junior Licence.

It is an Australian qualification.

How close did you come to losing your rag at this comment?

At least as good as your CV, Chips.

You had one Sydney title from innumerable attempts trying. From what I'm told you had the best squad too when your team won it and other times when your teams didn't succeed.


A team I coached won a state title from one attempt - 100% success. The squad I had was the smallest and youngest and certainly not the best on paper.

However, I have no interest in results.

I discontinued rep coaching. I was keen to do something which extends to accessing more players instead. Under 20s downwards is all about developing players, not results.

Your attitude to FFA coaching structure is well-documented.

I've denigrated one state FFA coach for making players run without the ball. He is regularly using an exercise that is anathema to sound European coaching practice.

Most Tassie coaches are frustrated with the system, like me. They work at circumventing it.

Edited by Decentric: 5/12/2011 04:07:34 PM

I was calmed by the rolling of the eyes from another state FFA coach!!!!:)

The gent concerned called it KGB.

I politely tole him it was name for the former Soviet secret police after he had referred to it about 10 times.:roll:

It happens a lot in England in the present too.](*,)

Erm, no. :lol:



U12's girls, six game season, tasmania, big congrats. I would suggest you build on this for 5 or 10 years, review what you learnt and then contemplate your next move.

Now that we've established I have football qualifications, the educational qualifications augment football coaching practices.

As a day job I've spent 27 years trying to work out how to improve/enhance children's performance at school. This can easily extrapolate to coaching football. I'm used to devising training programmes which keep kids busy for the whole time at training, like in the classroom. One concern for younger children, and even some immature male adult senior players in the split/state league, long periods of instruction can be counterproductive to learning.

The best place for kids to learn is by playing the game. The game is a good teacher played in structures such as set out by KNVB, 4v4, 5v5, 5v3, 7v7, 11v11. Now the new National Curriculum (apart from one state FFA staff goose making kids run without the ball) does too.

Every training session I've devised programmes for 10 players, 11 players, 12 players, 13 players, 14 players etc. One is never sure how many will turn up.

Furthermore, from teaching one has to devise programmes for children to learn concepts incrementally and sequentially. The same is applicable to learning football techniques. Then extending them, when the player has successfully acquired the trchniques in low pressure scenarios.

One also has to structure/scaffold programmes because players learn techniques at different rates. Some need to work on different aspects of the same technique than others. Others need to apply them in higher pressure scenarios to extend them.

What have I missed, Skinet?:)

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Edited by Decentric: 30/11/2011 12:43:14 AM

I would suggest it happens everywhere, at park clogger level.

Surely you are not trying to tell us that 27 years jn the classroom equates to 27 years soccer coaching experience?

What I'm saying is the classroom teaching experience and theory is augments football coaching. If one has some knowledge of football it helps.

I would also go as far to say at junior level, there would be some teachers with no knowledge of football, who, if they did a football coaching course, would be more successful as coaches than some coaches with an extensive football background and no educational background.

Now before you respond, maybe you might like to explain constructivism, and the differences between heuristic and didactic teaching pedagogy, Chips?

Couched in different language these educational principles are all part of KNVB methodology and curriculum.

Circa 19 games in a season.



You still don't understand that under 20s is about development, not results.](*,)

Which A League clubs did you say wanted you to coach with your misunderstanding about football cognitive development theory?:-k

Edited by Decentric: 30/11/2011 12:50:30 AM

I've just ben told tonight that the NTC coaches are now part of state FFA, whereas before they came under a different authority.

I'm not quite sure what Dean May and Mike Edwards do at FFT?

I think Dean instructs some components of FFA licences.

No exception.

They seem to have taken a new stance to put as much distance as possible between any academy or private football school and themselves.

They have even refused to recognise a spit state league club's academy.

I can't work out why? One forward thinking FFA worker constantly reiterates they have finite resources. By implication, it is impossible for them to meet demand. The forward thinking staffer saw other football ventures as assisting them carry out their duties.

I think he has been countermanded.

good mate of lonton's

I think it is called monopolizing?

Up there with your best work, mate. :lol:

Skeptic
Then why is PL insurance a problem? Are there particular requirements yet to be met?



Decentric
It seems Football Federation Tasmania wants us to coach rep/club teams.



Skeptic
Then, if that's FFT policy it has to be adhered to enable PL insurance, doesn't it?


Skeptic
I missed the answer the this. If you can't have PL insurance without adherence to the policies of FFT, why are you refusing to meet the requirements? Are you asking FFT for an exception to their policies and why?




There is no specific state FFA policy on coaching club/rep teams to secure public liability insurance.

State FFA keeps changing the critieria to avoid public liability.

One staffer from state FFA was initially very keen to support FFE in every way he could. The rest of the members of the organisation told him FFA should not have anything to do with Football For Everyone School.

This officer was concerned about state FFA having a very bad image in the general football community. He wants to change the image.

Since it seems he has been countermanded.

With public liability, FFE coach C had just been sacked as a coach by a club board through political machinations and internal club politics - the norm in clubs. Neither he or I were coaching club/rep teams at the time, so state FFA said they couldn't insure us. That we had to be coaching teams within the jurisdiction of FFA.

We circumvented that. We used three regularly attending FFA coaches who bring players to FFE, one who coaches split state league reserves team, and one youth coach and one junior coach. All these guys are FFA Youth Licence or FFA Senior Licence holders. These 'assistants' were our accredited FFA coaches, currently coaching rep teams. We thought this qualified us for public liability.

Then FFA said one or all of these guys had to be the main instructors for the sessions, not Coach C or me.

Another recently resigned split state league coach reported at the big state FFA meeting/workshop in September for two days for coaches ( I was away overseas and the coaching sesion was on at the same time as the A League practice game with Victory - great planning), that state FFA said they would now give no help whatsover for any organisation such as private soccer schools outside FFA.

Apart from unresolved public liability, we have resolved every other issue that state FFA promised to help us with and haven't. We only have one further issue to resolve to bring undiluted European training ground methodology to the training track. It is free. State FFA only have ongoing programmes for elite players, which cost about $600 to $3000.

Essentially, state FFA provides no ongoing free of charge football for players. We are.

We've said a lot of nice things publicly about FFA in the limited media we've had to date.

I'm still in the dark re my questions so i have to ask again. Are there further requirements to be met to gain PL insurance and if so what are they and why can't they be met? Or, isn't it possible under any circumstances to gain it?

I think you are missing it skeptic, FFT wont be providing them with PL under their policy and so for them to continue they will need to source and pay for it themselves.

Decentric if you want me to get you a costing for PL insurance let me know and I will arrange that for you.

Thanks a bunch, GA.

I'll take you up on that. I think we might look for a benefactor to cover the PL costs.

Looks like it is outside my companies range Decentric, I am sourcing a Tasmanian contact point who can help at the moment.

Have PMed you a contact Decentric, she will do her best for you.

Thanks so much.

The wheels are in motion.

GA, can you quote me for 3rd party insurance on my 1997 Hyundai Excel?

Yep, would be about $140 - I can tell you that without any other info ;) I have been working in insurance for over 6 years Chips :D