Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSqc5va4LsAs I reiterate the aforementioned Barca Directional control is a great passing exercise with both feet from junior level up to Barcelona senior level from Barca Academy. The next step is a rondo like this for young, relatively unskilled players. From steps 1 down to step 9 encourage one and two touch passing. The defensive players can gain a more touches if dribbling over the line is the instruction when they win the ball. Step 1_____________________________________________ ----------------X X---------------------------------X ------------------Xo ______________________________________________ X = Players. o= Ball I can't mark the grid on the right side using the IT I have. 12 metres long for each side of the square is okay. Maybe have players marked with a cone behid each one to play in a diamond. KNVB stipulate players do not stand in corners as it is too easy to mark players. Step 2If players are comfortable extrapolating the Barca Directional Control to playing this in a diamond add a defensive player P. P=pig in the middle. ____________________________________________ ----------------X X----------------P-----------------X ------------------Xo ____________________________________________ The game is now for the X players with ball to stop P(PIg) from winning it. One canmake a couple of rules here. Whether one wants to encourage P to simply use defensive skills, or encourage P to use dribbling skills, or shooting skills. Defensive skills for P. Encourage P to stand sideways, in crouching, jockeying form, able to change direction quickly, on the toes. My relative will be back from US college football in a few weeks with some even better jockeying techniques. I'll add them as I learn them. All player P needs to do is win ball to change places with person who lost ball X. Dribbling skills- ask P (PIG) to dribble over line and put foot on bal with sole of foot if they intercept ball from Xs. Shooting skills- set up goals for P to shoot at they intercept ball. Make four goals in the middle of each line of the square. Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 01:14:40 PM
|
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
____________________________________________
X---------------------------------X
-----------------P
------------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 3
Now have only three players in a triangle. A Repeat Step 2, but with three players. Emphasise for players in possession of ball ( X ) not to stay in corners.
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 12:32:39 PM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
___________________________________________
X
-----------------P
------------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 4
Not necessarily the next sequential step, but this is a great anaerobic exercise for fitness, have two players against one pig ( P ) in this rondo.
Players ( X ) must move into space to create passing lanes. This is much easier for pig ( P ) to gain possession.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
____________________________________________
----------------X
X----------------P-----------------X
----------------P
------------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 5
Add two defensive players if things are going well with the easier practices. We now have a 4v2 SSG.
Specific instructions can be given to defensive players (Ps) depending on coaches' instructions whether zonal or man marking.
This was a major difference between KNVB training, and sessions I've seen taken by top FFA coaches. The KNVB had very specific instructions for defensive players.
One local NTC coach claims I have no credibility because I did a KNVB Certificate, not a Licence. He can't see the difference in quality/methodology because he hasn't had first hand exposure to both KNVB and contemporary FFA. He is an A Licence holder too, the second top FFA qual. below FFA Pro Licence.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Step 6
This isn't really step 6, but Liverpool coaches did a lot of work with this formation to improve passing skills for European Champions' League competition.
The player in the middle worked with the outside players in the diamond to pass in triangular formation. Originally have no pIg ( P) in step 6. Use cones players can step on to mark the positions for players.
____________________________________________
----------------X
X---------------X-----------------X
-----------------Xo ____________________________________________
____________________________________________
----------------X
X---------------X-----------------X
----------------P
-----------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 7
Add a defensive player P(Pig).
5v1 SSG.
____________________________________________
----------------X
X---------------X-----------------X ---P
----------------P
-----------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 8
Add another Pig ( P ) to make 2.
5v2 SSG.
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 12:57:26 PM
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 01:00:41 PM
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 01:16:05 PM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
____________________________________________
----------------X
X---------------X-----------------X ---P---------------------------P
----------------P
-----------------Xo ____________________________________________
Step 9
Now have three defenders/pigs ( P ).
5v3 SSG.
This is a really useful last step.
One can have the first defender applying pressure on the ball. The second and third defenders try to close down passing lanes to prevent Xs from receiving ball. Defenders need to form a compact formation to close down passing lanes.
It is a very good numerical combination to coach possession of the ball and when the other team has possession of the ball. There is also width and depth. Players also receive a lot of useful touches in mini-match scenarios.
This can easily be converted to 4v4. I have six KNVB 4v4 SSGs somewhere on Football For Everyone thread. I'll post them on here when I find them.
These sequential rondos are integral to KNVB and contemporary Barca practice. They are an essential component of Football For Everyone coaching sessions.
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 01:11:38 PM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
http://www.bettersoccermorefun.com/dwtext/knvbgmes.htmThis is the link for KNVB 4v4 SSGs. If you use the steps on this thread for SSGs you are not going to go wrong. It is all KNVB practice with some refinements form Barca Academy. Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 03:47:24 PM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/training/skills/video/videoid=903004.html?autoplay=trueThis is another video with the one in the aforementioned post, and the one in the following post which is close to a comprehensive short passing programme, if added to the KNVB rondos and KNVB 4v4 SGGs .
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
This is the more attacking version of the 4-3-3. The triangle which has one screener and two attacking mids.
The 4-3-3 with one screener in the midfield triangle.
..X................X...............X.................X.....
............................X
................X......................X
....X.......................X.........................X
This is for Neverwazza. He wants to know the diference between a 4-3-3 and a 4-4-2 with a midfield diamond. Eclectic Dutch trained coaches like Verbeek (occasionally), Arnold and Baan use it.
4-4-2 with a midfield diamond.
...X................X...............X.................X.....
............................X
................X........................X
............................X
...........X..................................X
The central striker moves back into midfield.
The two wingers tuck in to make a two person line at the point of the attack.
Edited by Decentric: 1/6/2011 09:46:37 PM
|
|
|
General Ashnak
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 18K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently. BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
General Ashnak wrote:Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently.
BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations? GA, in two sentences, you've asked me for some massively detailed questions!!!!!!!!! :shock:
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM
|
|
|
Judy Free
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 1.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM Why would a 352 require more stamina from its wide players than the wide players roles in a 433? How much did you pay for these low level answers from these low level dutch bozos? Did you not consider challenging their answer, or at least asking for further detail?
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
General Ashnak wrote:Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently.
Pressing is a term applied to teams co-ordinating pressure off the ball to opposing teams when the opposition is in possession of the ball. It doesn't matter which of the aforementioned formations is used, but pressing principles are used regardless of formations. I suppose the more aggressive pressing models are used in conjunction with the most attacking formations of 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 with a diamond shaped midfield. The full press.Barcelona applies this relentlessly to opponents. This is where the forwards maintain co-ordinated pressure when the other team has the ball deep in their defensive half. As the forwards pressure their opponents, players in the midfield line/s also apply marking pressure as the defender plays the ball. The aim is to make the pitch as small as possible for the opposition when they have the ball. In the A League they often apply full pressing, but it is not as intensive, aggressive, well co-ordinated, compact and sustained as Barcelona's. Korea and Japan sometimes apply this to the Socceroos. A League full pressing often allows distance between the lines. Hence, A League players can learn to play in too much space. The onus is on individuals to close down space quickly as ball is being played, within team co -ordinated pressing, but delay at the last moment, maintaining good defensive body shape in low position. Being side on is good to change direction if opponent tries to dribble past you. I'll do the half press and partial pressing later. Edited by Decentric: 16/6/2011 01:22:41 PM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM Why would a 352 require more stamina from its wide players than the wide players roles in a 433? How much did you pay for these low level answers from these low level dutch bozos? Did you not consider challenging their answer, or at least asking for further detail? If you see the 4-3-3 formations outlined in the aforementioned posts, there are four wide players. In a 3-5-2, there are two wide players.
|
|
|
Judy Free
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 1.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently.
Pressing is a term applied to teams co-ordinating pressure of the ball to opposition teams. Well, you did ask, GA. :lol:
|
|
|
General Ashnak
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 18K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently.
Pressing is a term applied to teams co-ordinating pressure off the ball to opposing teams when the opposition is in possession of the ball. It doesn't matter which of the aforementioned formations is used, but pressing principles are used regardless of formations. I suppose the more aggressive pressing models are used in conjunction with the most attacking formations of 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 with a diamond shaped midfield. The full press.Barcelona applies this relentlessly to opponents. This is where the forwards maintain co-ordinated pressure when the other team has the ball deep in their defensive half. As the forwards pressure their opponents, players in the midfield line/s also apply marking pressure as the defender plays the ball. The aim is to make the pitch as small as possible for the opposition when they have the ball. In the A League they often apply full pressing, but it is not as intensive, aggressive, well co-ordinated, compact and sustained as Barcelona's. Korea and Japan sometimes apply this to the Socceroos. A League full pressing often allows distance between the lines. Hence, A League players can learn to play in too much space. The onus is on individuals to close down space quickly as ball is being played, within team co -ordinated pressing, but delay at the last moment, maintaining good defensive body shape in low position. Being side on is good to change direction if opponent tries to dribble past you. I'll do the half press and partial pressing later. Edited by Decentric: 16/6/2011 01:22:41 PM I understand the way the full, half and partial press are used to pressure opponents who have control of the ball in order to achieve a turn over either from a tackle, interception or miss control/wayward pass. What I mean is the way that the 4-4-2 vs the 4-3-3 arranges itself in order to achieve this goal as opposed to what the goal itself is. I have noticed that a 4-3-3 will often have players perform a zonal system of pressure whereby they suffocate the opponents passing lanes, creating an interception or wayward pass, and often a 4-4-2 will attempt to isolate the ball carrier through man to man marking and force the ball to be turned over via a tackle or due to a miss control by the ball carrier/receiver. Hmm not happy with the way I have worded that but can't be bothered at the moment correcting it.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
|
|
|
General Ashnak
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 18K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM Why would a 352 require more stamina from its wide players than the wide players roles in a 433? How much did you pay for these low level answers from these low level dutch bozos? Did you not consider challenging their answer, or at least asking for further detail? If you see the 4-3-3 formations outlined in the aforementioned posts, there are four wide players. In a 3-5-2, there are two wide players. This is my understanding of the formation as well, other when it is used as a lop sided system. I favour it lined up as: ----x---- --x---x-- ----x---- x-------x ----x---- -x-----x- ----x---- ----x---- Which of course is not entirely accurate a description and I can see why KNVB views it as a system that is better suited to fully professional teams.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
General Ashnak wrote:Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Decentric, I think you will find you need to explain how the two formations perform their transitions differently as each formation makes use of similar passing lanes but look to achieve their goals (ie pressing, counter attack, building of play) differently.
Pressing is a term applied to teams co-ordinating pressure off the ball to opposing teams when the opposition is in possession of the ball. It doesn't matter which of the aforementioned formations is used, but pressing principles are used regardless of formations. I suppose the more aggressive pressing models are used in conjunction with the most attacking formations of 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 with a diamond shaped midfield. The full press.Barcelona applies this relentlessly to opponents. This is where the forwards maintain co-ordinated pressure when the other team has the ball deep in their defensive half. As the forwards pressure their opponents, players in the midfield line/s also apply marking pressure as the defender plays the ball. The aim is to make the pitch as small as possible for the opposition when they have the ball. In the A League they often apply full pressing, but it is not as intensive, aggressive, well co-ordinated, compact and sustained as Barcelona's. Korea and Japan sometimes apply this to the Socceroos. A League full pressing often allows distance between the lines. Hence, A League players can learn to play in too much space. The onus is on individuals to close down space quickly as ball is being played, within team co -ordinated pressing, but delay at the last moment, maintaining good defensive body shape in low position. Being side on is good to change direction if opponent tries to dribble past you. I'll do the half press and partial pressing later. Edited by Decentric: 16/6/2011 01:22:41 PM I understand the way the full, half and partial press are used to pressure opponents who have control of the ball in order to achieve a turn over either from a tackle, interception or miss control/wayward pass. What I mean is the way that the 4-4-2 vs the 4-3-3 arranges itself in order to achieve this goal as opposed to what the goal itself is. I have noticed that a 4-3-3 will often have players perform a zonal system of pressure whereby they suffocate the opponents passing lanes, creating an interception or wayward pass, and often a 4-4-2 will attempt to isolate the ball carrier through man to man marking and force the ball to be turned over via a tackle or due to a miss control by the ball carrier/receiver. Hmm not happy with the way I have worded that but can't be bothered at the moment correcting it. I haven't noticed these differences. If you have identified them, you are well ahead of me!!!! I attended a presentation on zonal marking versus player to player marking, but I didn't think it was related to a particular formation. Player to player defence can vary on what the opposition is posing as an attacking combination/formation. I will describe the half press later, even though you know what it is. Adelaide United deployed it brilliantly in the ACL.
|
|
|
General Ashnak
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 18K,
Visits: 0
|
I don't think they are formation related, but there seems to be a tendency for certain formations to play their presses differently.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
|
|
|
Judy Free
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 1.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM Why would a 352 require more stamina from its wide players than the wide players roles in a 433? How much did you pay for these low level answers from these low level dutch bozos? Did you not consider challenging their answer, or at least asking for further detail? If you see the 4-3-3 formations outlined in the aforementioned posts, there are four wide players. In a 3-5-2, there are two wide players. Is that it? Anything else? #-o
|
|
|
krones3
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.4K,
Visits: 0
|
Hi decentric Next week I will see a top dutch coach go through his drills with some teams. I am sorry but I don’t think he will be any better in his assessments than the local coaches. But I will watch carefully and keep an open mind.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
krones3 wrote:Hi decentric Next week I will see a top dutch coach go through his drills with some teams. I am sorry but I don’t think he will be any better in his assessments than the local coaches. But I will watch carefully and keep an open mind.
Great stuff. Keep us posted.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:General Ashnak wrote: BTW, from a KNVB view point, what do you think of the 3-5-2 formations?
This is the question with least detail. KNVB considers that 3-5-2 is impractical for any level of football apart from professional teams. We didn't address it in depth, because it was essentially a youth coaching course. KNVB consider the level of stamina and fitness required to play a 3-5-2 is too difficult for the wing backs, who are the outside of the five in midfield, in any level of football, apart from elite professional level. I saw one experienced youth coach on here advocate it as a good system for 10 year olds. My co-coach at FFE also thought it was good too for 10 year olds in the past. Edited by Decentric: 15/6/2011 11:36:53 PM Why would a 352 require more stamina from its wide players than the wide players roles in a 433? How much did you pay for these low level answers from these low level dutch bozos? Did you not consider challenging their answer, or at least asking for further detail? If you see the 4-3-3 formations outlined in the aforementioned posts, there are four wide players. In a 3-5-2, there are two wide players. Is that it? Anything else? #-o I'm not sure if you are being facetious or not, but if you aren't, then this will explain it. 3-5-2.........X..........X...........X .X......................................X ........ X..........X.........X ...........X...............X The central part of the midfield can be arranged as a line like this one, or as a midifeld triangle with two screeners and one more advanced midfielder. The 3-5-2 like this was deployed by Barcelona in 1994. Brisbane Roar have adopted this formation when attacking at times. Paarteluu stays back and the full backs go further forwards. Compared to the 4-3-3s delineated earlier in this hread, where there are two wide players on each flank, in the 3-5-2 there is only one wide player on each flank. The amount of work each wide player has to do in a 3-5-2 is phenomenal for amateur players.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Here are the details of the KNVB English language course in the Netherlands
Course information From 5 - 17 August, 2011 the KNVB Academy organizes an International Coaching Course for participants from all over the world. The Course content is designed by the Academy of the Royal Netherlands Football Association and all elements in the course are updated to the latest Trainingand Coaching principles. The previous editions of the International courses (1999 through 2010) attracted in total 330 coaches from 73 countries. Should you be interested, do not hesitate to register in time. The number of participants is limited to 25. Course level The level of the course is comparable with UEFA B- (Basic) Course, with some elements of A- and Pro-level (especially the analysis of Pro-matches and special topics are on highest level). Participants in this course will receive a ‘Participation Certificate’. There will be no formal testing on knowledge and skills and coaches do not receive a diploma, due to the different entrance levels of the participants and the specific and non-comparable contents of this program in relation to other coaching programs.
I've cut and pasted this to this section. Thanks Dirk.
I would recomemnd it to anyone.
You will receive excellent instruction from KNVB instructors fluent in English. I'm not sure if the French, Italian or Brazilian football federations offer the same coaching courses in English. All the stuff you will learn will be useful in the FFA curriculum, but will have been imparted by the primary source, not some Aussie instructors interpreting it. Even if one dies FFA courses one usually gains new knowledge from attending any course/seminar.
KNVB will make considerable difference to most people's knowledge base. If you do it though, expect a few stakeholders in the Australian football milieu to try and discredit what you've done. Also, some coaches will see it as a threat. Most people in the football comunity will be only too pleased for you to pass on to footballers what you've learnt.
I have even had someone from state FFA tell me that KNVB has little value in Tasmania because most people in the Tassie football milieu don't know what KNVB is!!!!!
My counter argument was that if any eminent instructors arrive in this state from KNVB, Clarefontaine, Coverciano or the Brazilian Football Federation, then nobody should attend their seminars because they have never heard of them.
Another FFA stakeholder, rolled his eyes back in his head when he heard his FFA counterpart proffer this perspective. :roll:
Another benefit is that the Dutch instructors had a very dry sense of humour. According to a Dutch born mate this is a typical trait of the Dutch. The KNVB instructors at the English language course will be very confident imparting what they do too.
Edited by Decentric: 17/6/2011 02:30:47 PM
|
|
|
Judy Free
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 1.7K,
Visits: 0
|
All well and good on paper, decentric. However, you need to take a step back and keep firmly in mind that sockah is played on a pitch approx 100 x 70, between 22 players. If you create a numerical advantange somewhere on the pitch, you are, of course, at a numerical disadvantage elsewhere on the pitch. Capishe? Good coaches will always exploit this. FWIW I would have thought a three player midfield would test the stamina/endurance of any amateur at any age, with and without the ball. Using Barcelona as an example for why 433 should be prefered is clearly a ridiculous position for anyone to take.
Edited by judy free: 17/6/2011 11:04:14 AM
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Judy Free wrote:All well and good on paper, decentric. However, you need to take a step back and keep firmly in mind that sockah is played on a pitch approx 100 x 70, between 22 players. If you create a numerical advantange somewhere on the pitch, you are, of course, at a numerical disadvantage elsewhere on the pitch. Capishe? Good coaches will always exploit this. FWIW I would have thought a three player midfield would test the stamina/endurance of any amateur at any age, with and without the ball. Using Barcelona as an example for why 433 should be prefered is clearly a ridiculous position for anyone to take.
Edited by judy free: 17/6/2011 11:04:14 AM I said Barcelona appled 3-5-2 in 1994. Barca exemplified 3-5-2 then. 4-3-3 can still be used for developing players. Nevertheless, I prefer the Brazilian model where 11 v 11 doesn't occur until 13 years of age. All Brazilian football under that age is 5 v 5 with keepers, or futsal. 4-3-3 requires less running for the two wide players on each side. You would feel a lot more confident teaching 4-3-3 if you had been trained in it. The incremental stages are important. Maybe a trip to the Netherlands in early August could be an option at KNVB HQ in Zeist? ;)
|
|
|
Judy Free
|
|
Group: Banned Members
Posts: 1.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Decentric wrote:4-3-3 requires less running for the two wide players on each side. But more running from other players in parts of the park where you created numerical disadvantage. A 442 (flat midfield) would also require "less running" for the two wide players.....but that's besides the point. Decentric wrote:You would feel a lot more confident teaching 4-3-3 if you had been trained in it. The incremental stages are important. Maybe a trip to the Netherlands in early August could be an option at KNVB HQ in Zeist? ;) No need to pad out your response with guff and hyperbole. Try keeping your focus on the topic.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:4-3-3 requires less running for the two wide players on each side. But more running from other players in parts of the park where you created numerical disadvantage. A 442 (flat midfield) would also require "less running" for the two wide players.....but that's besides the point. The midfield triangular players in central midfield would have negligible increased running duties compared to the wing backs in the 3-5-2. A flat 4-4-2's attacking midfield wide players would have similar running distances to the wingers in the attacking line of a 4-3-3. The 3-5-2 is a useful temporary formation in attack from a 4-4-2. The wider centre backs in the defensive line of the 3-5-2 are disadvantaged by the attacking wide players of other formations. The 3-5-2 was pretty popular in the mid eighties, but has been superseded as its weaknesses have eventually been exploited. With the 4-2-3-1, Verbeek sometimes moved to three at the back, pushing Wilkshire into midfield in Australia's attacking phases of games. This created a 3-3-3-1, or 3-4-3 in attack. Defensively three at the back can be exposed to width. Wilkshire quickly moved back to a back four when the other team gained possession. I'm not sure on which sound methodological basis 3-5-2 is recommended for junior/youth footballers. Which national federations recommend it as a development system for junior/youth in 2011?
|
|
|