Not quite true.

I have coached for about 9-10 years, maybe more.

I have spent about two weeks in intensive FFA and KNVB courses. The books/videos are adjuncts to and used in a KNVB context.

I did play for 12 years.

I was in state underage squads.

I have communicated a lot with other coaches on the training ground.

There's an example of your problem decentric i.e. again caught peddling blantant bullshit.

GA was spot on with his assessment of your CV.

Do yourself a massive favour. Lose that idiotic superiority complex. Your coaching skillset and experience is at mum and dad level. I have no idea why you continue to pretend to be someone that you are not. That's one for the shrinks to work out, I guess.

Now, getting back to the subject of this thread (which is a good one):



When and why the suggested timeframe?



You do realise what you're saying would be giving the dutchies acres of space to explain their failings? Such excuses wouldn't wash in the private sector.

We need to see some tangible results of their work. And results from our NT U16's and U20's are quite clearly the best place to look. Sockah is a results based game, that's why the ref keeps a note of goals scored in his little black book.


Edited by judy free: 4/5/2011 08:02:38 AM

Quite simple really.

I didnt mention his now defunct site till he started using his stats to back up his argument on topic in this thread.He keeps using those baseless stats, i keep using his sites failure and fraudulent ways.

This is a bloke who has continually been blowing his own trumpet with unsubstantiated claims and was caught out fraudulently promoting his own site on another forum using multis whilst at the same time insisting it was being positively endorsed by international coaches.

The guy is a fraud and a charlatan and the way some of you gobble up his crap is pathetic.

Edited by rabid: 4/5/2011 09:48:28 AM

In the context of this thread it is all irrelevant. If you want to pursue what you think about Decentric do it elsewhere, please don't continue to derail this thread.

I think I can back Decentric on this point. At the elite level we should start to see a distinct change in the way our juniors are playing and the results we receive. The proof will be in the way these juniors play their games at the World Cup and Olympics and what professional outcome we see for them over the next 24 months.


The actual results that they achieve are important, but also how they go about achieving those results is important. At this level internationally the scoreline is not always a pure reflection of the success that our developmental pathway is achieving. If we can play well and the juniors are moving through our NT ranks as well as attaining professional success actual silverware (though nice to have) is not as important. Once we get to senior level silverware is pretty much the be all and end all, and if we can do it pretty then so be it - but i am happy to do it ugly when and as necessary.

A reliance on subjectivity by a rower, an afl dude and a rent collector?

Dangerous territory.

Little wonder these dutchies can't wipe that grin from their faces.

Anyhow, I look forward to the U20's games in June/July.

What price will you give on Versilejan dishing up "we learnt a lot from that game" ? :lol:

What value to do put on finally having a structured coaching program which will have a very longterm payoff.
What value to you put on hundreds of thousands of kid developing a much higher average level of coaching than before.
How do you value the longterm benefit of these kids passing this knowledge on I either by coaching themselves or just in teaching the game to their children.

All I can say is that you are advocating change for change sake - you have offered little interms of credible improvements to what's being done - you are just fixated on the $650k.

Here's an idea - why don't you go and interview all those coaches responsible for all the past superstars like KEWELL and VIDUKA, and take their secrets and distill them into a manual that you can sell to the FFA, as the guaranteed formula for success.

Edited by backfour: 4/5/2011 02:04:55 PM

I am actually not so convinced that it is senior management within the FFA that they are responsible to, I think it is the football media and fans. I would hope that the media will actually do what they should be doing and pursueing members of our national team setups for information and public acountability.

Long term?

How long?

Why?



You obviously haven't been paying close attention to this thread, have you?

These hundreds and thousands of kids (and their parents) wouldn't know Han Berger from the clown in the yellow stipped suit. Yet to be sighted off nobbies.

I suspect you're about as clueless and far removed from sockah dev as the next lounge chair lizard.



All this "long term" stuff - music to Bergler's ears. :lol:



Been there done that.

Looks like your stumped - given the lack of credibility of your answers.
So it really is change for change sake.

He is the world (game forum) famous Chips Rafferty. His raison detre is to troll. It wont be long before he is banned.

clueless cocks all round on this thread i see :roll:

Chips has been OK so far actually. But he is still a very prickly man. Frankly ignore the manner in which he communicates and look at he is trying to say, he isn't any worse than Afro and is in many ways more polite.

What is the purpose of a comment like that? Share your thoughts please not just throw around insults.

12 years active coaching to be precise.

I can't see what is wrong with that period of time.

This has been put very succinctly, Back Four.

There are heaps of very experienced coaches I've met at workshops who have endorsed the changes. Some haven't, preferring the kick and rush style of old soccer with the British influence.

In terms of grass roots there is still the implementation problem, which is well documented on this thread.

How is the 4-3-3 going with the teams you coach, Rob?

Edited by Decentric: 4/5/2011 05:39:16 PM

Stefcep's response would be pretty common from parents/relatives with football knowledge observing junior football.

I think it is entirely plausible.

Even one of my co-coaches at FFE with 25-30 years coaching experience is not confident teaching the 4-3-3. This guy has coached many rep teams to state titles too. He has also coached reserve teams at Premier league level.

not as notorious as you it seems with your lies and falsehoods.

Erebus, direct him to the Performance Section on here. I think a number of us are benefiting from various articles/drills being posted on there.

I can add it to the KNVB section.

I think there are a number of coaches who want to coach the 4-3-3 to do the right thing by FFA, but they are not sure how. I reiterate, it is a problematic that FFA haven't provided the training for community coaches at this point in time.

The midfield triangles are the most difficult part to implement in the 4-3-3.



Edited by Decentric: 4/5/2011 05:38:06 PM

East Coast Phantom, stats are increasing in usage in modern professional football.

Valery Lobanovski, the successful Dinamo Kiev and Russian coach, was one of the pioneers in this facet of game analysis. You can read about his exploits in Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson.

Arsene Wenger is a keen adherent too. According to Simon Kuper in Soccernomics, other top coaches are starting to follow suit. Kuper contends Wenger looks at players' stats before making decisions about which personnel stay in the starting eleven.

East Coast Phantom, can we agree that Lobanovski and Wenger are successful coaches?

SOF was recording and evaluating stats, then writing subsequent match analyses.

I was looking at a two players for a Premier League coach here. I recorded stats. To the coach the two players were competing for the same role in the team.
One was doing much more work off the ball work in causing turnovers for team-mates, intercepts and tackles. It was interesting to substantiate the different players off the ball work rate.

I.m not sure what Verbeek, Duut, Holger, Hooker, Vidmar or even Berger, do for the Socceroos regarding stats? I know Ron Smith did it when he was labelled the TD.

Han Berger may be more tied up with Socceroo, Matilada, Joey, etc, commitments than many of us realise. I think it is difficult to condemn him for the lack of grass roots dissemination of coaching methodology without knowing all the facts.



Edited by Decentric: 4/5/2011 11:39:06 PM

Wow this thread is going :lol:

Chips has somewhat of a vested interest in seeing the Berger regime fail: Berger's and his assistants are taking jobs, money and positions he believes he, and many others-that have no doubt toiled hard with minimal resources over many years- deserve.

But I don't think its ALL self-interest: I think he genuinly believes he has the only realistic view of football in Australia: he sees it as a sport that will always be a minority sport, and with that limitation, the only way to develop players in Australia is the way its be done for the past 30 years, and that's all that can be hoped for.

Problem is Africa has moved on, Asia has moved on, and what we've done for 30 years won't produce players as successful as the ones we we had 10-15 years ago. This is plain to see with Cahill as the only starting EPL outfield player, no-one starting in Germany's Bundesliga, no-one starting in Spain's LA Liga, and an ageing Bresciano sometimes starting in Serie A. (Happy to be corrected if people know otherwise)

Chips may yet turn out to be right, maybe. But the current German squad was the result of a co-ordinated program by the German FA (which demanded all Budesliga clubs follow) about 8-10 years ago. To dismantle Berger's program after one World Youth Championship would be extreme folly.

Edited by stefcep: 4/5/2011 08:06:17 PM

Not quite.

You'd have to offer me a Buckley salary, with a ten year water-tight contract, for me to consider walking away from my day job.

I have no interest in any strayan sockah positions, whatsoever.

But what my considerable experience has enabled me to be particularly good at is to spot a fraud from a hundred miles. Plenty in the dutch camp, plenty within the FFA and one massive fraudulant tasmanian wombat found in this here thread.



What a truly ridiculous conclusion - I had you pegged for being slighly smarter than that.



A very apt time to ask yourself exactly what have we produced since the 2003 new dawn. Eight years is along time. A lot of money has been spent and, you would have to agree, we've got three fifths of sweet fuck all to show for it. You see, unlike you and your ilk, I don't believe in the tooth fairy, garden fairies, crossing fingers and praying for a happy ending. I live in the land of reality - a place that has served me well thus far.



Ha ha. That is a given.

FWIW there's a knowledge gap here (and on most forums) the length of the Flemington straight. Sockah dads with fuckall knowledge of the workings of their local U9/4's, yet experienced enough, knowlegeable enough, and mixing in the the right circles to know what's good for elite level strayan sockah. OTOH it does provide mildly good entertainment.:lol:

Edited by judy free: 4/5/2011 09:09:16 PM

Are u some kind of god? or realist? what ever you are u sound stupid to everyones eyes :lol:

Also Chips, its called Football not sockah, your goose! :lol:

Run along barca, the adults are talking.

But whilst yer here I have two questions:

how long have you lived in Barthelona?

what do you think of Messi's drug habbits?

You don't hear with your eyes. You're a goose.

And that's me done with this thread, methinks.

Love your username mate.

You ever been to the Camp Nou?

Yep back in 2006! :d