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Judy Free wrote:
Run along barca, the adults are talking.

But whilst yer here I have two questions:

how long have you lived in Barthelona?

what do you think of Messi's drug habbits?


Lol ur jokes are cracking me up! :lol:
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f1dave wrote:
Barca4Life wrote:
Also Chips, its called Football not sockah, your goose! :lol:


Barca4Life wrote:
Are u some kind of god? or realist? what ever you are u sound stupid to everyones eyes



You don't hear with your eyes. You're a goose.

And that's me done with this thread, methinks.



Ummm I wasn't referring to u! :roll:
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Barca4Life wrote:
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Also Chips, its called Football not sockah, your goose! :lol:


Love your username mate.

You ever been to the Camp Nou?


Yep back in 2006! :d


Was it only to a game or did you do a tour?

What made you such a try...sorry i meant die hard barca fanboy?
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rabid wrote:
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Also Chips, its called Football not sockah, your goose! :lol:


Love your username mate.

You ever been to the Camp Nou?


Yep back in 2006! :d


Was it only to a game or did you do a tour?

What made you such a try...sorry i meant die hard barca fanboy?


Lol no die hard, just went back packing around went to see barca and a couple of epl games too for the fun of it whilst traveling!

Edited by Barca4life: 4/5/2011 10:30:40 PM
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Well it was a good thread whilst it lasted.

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Judy Free wrote:
Plenty in the dutch camp, plenty within the FFA and one massive fraudulant tasmanian wombat found in this here thread.
i]



To make one's point more credible, rather than hurling insults, it would be prudent to dissect many of the methodological questions posed to you.

They all relate to new directions taken by Han Berger and the overhaul of the FFA curriculum. You wouldn't be an anachronism anymore.

Instead of spending time getting angry on forums, it could be more beneficial to do some contemporary FFA coaching courses. Even better head to Europe and update your theoretical and tactical knowledge.

It would be too ignominious for most to keep posting after avoiding so many questions, particularly when one purports to be a significant entity in the Australian football milieu.

('o:)




Edited by Decentric: 4/5/2011 11:38:06 PM
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stefcep wrote:

Berger his said its his aim to have success playing a technical level of football. He repeated that tonight. We nearly won the Asia Cup at junior level.

What disappointed but didn't surprise me was the take up of SSG and the 433 at junior clubs has been disappointing. I wasn't surprised because both of the two local clubs at under 10-under 14 level were totally ignoring this and coaching the way they always have...I was disappointed as this seems to be widespread



I have some good news in Tasmania.

I just met with the new state FFA Technical Director.

300 coaches have been trained in Grass Roots coaching in Tasmania in the last 4 months.

92 coaches have received their Junior Licence in the same period.

There is also a handbook for junior coaches. Those parents who have never kicked a ball have access to a hand book written by Kelly Cross and Han Berger. I have a copy next to me.

The new state TD is a breath of fresh air. He also has an assistant underneath him working very hard too. They've trained more coaches in six months than the previous TDs did in about 10 years!!!! They must be getting around the traps making themselves known.



Edited by Decentric: 6/5/2011 12:55:19 PM
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Decentric wrote:

The FFA message isn't reaching the grass roots yet.

Berger's campaign to play a more technical style is long term. Berger considers physical football can win the odd game, but not consistent performances.

Edited by Decentric: 3/5/2011 12:19:30 AM



Weird responding to one's own post, but to an extent I'm wrong. I evaluated the current football milieu based on previous TDs' tenures.

If we have 400 freshly trained coaches in the last 4 months in Tasmania, with about 10 000 junior/youth players, this is permeating the grass roots.

It is interesting. One of our 442 forum members has applied for a goalkeeper's session many times with Tony Franken for about a year. He is based in Victoria. He hasn't even heard from Football Federation Victoria.

Our Tassie TD, organised it efficiently. There was an attendance of about 40 for the same session which I attended. I cannot believe the difference in Tassie since the new regime has taken over.

We not have a national two day coaching seminar in Hobart, which was usually only offered in Sydney. Unfortunately, it is in September when I will be overseas.




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Barca4Life wrote:
Decentric that's the real question isn't it, it's how and when will the message will come through for the new technical direction to come through to the grass roots?


This is an interesting point about which I can now share more information.

Apparently Han Berger very much perceives himself as the Technical Director. The playing performances of the national teams, amongst others, is his priority.

Norm Boardman is the Game Manager for FFA. Boardman is much more aware of stats. When Berger was asked about grass roots by Les Murray, he wouldn't have been as familiar with all the stats that Boardman would have been, like the training of 400 coaches in Tasmania in the last four months.

I don't know what is happening in other states, but recently a lot of work has been done with the grass roots coaching in this state.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:00:07 PM
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Decentric wrote:
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Decentric that's the real question isn't it, it's how and when will the message will come through for the new technical direction to come through to the grass roots?


This is an interesting point about which I can now share more information.

Apparently Han Berger very much perceives himself as the Technical Director. The playing performances of the national teams, amongst others, is his priority.

Norm Boardman is the Game Manager for FFA. Boardman is much more aware of stats. When Berger was asked about grass roots by Les Murray, he wouldn't have been as familiar with all the stats that Boardman would have been, like the training of 400 coaches in Tasmania in the last four months.

I don't know what is happening in other states, but recently a lot of work has been done with the grass roots coaching in this state.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:00:07 PM


Thats very interesting that you said thay, because Berger himself had admited its a 'techical' problem when it came to deliever the content out to the grass roots, is thier something done about it, who knows???
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Barca4Life wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Barca4Life wrote:
Decentric that's the real question isn't it, it's how and when will the message will come through for the new technical direction to come through to the grass roots?


This is an interesting point about which I can now share more information.

Apparently Han Berger very much perceives himself as the Technical Director. The playing performances of the national teams, amongst others, is his priority.

Norm Boardman is the Game Manager for FFA. Boardman is much more aware of stats. When Berger was asked about grass roots by Les Murray, he wouldn't have been as familiar with all the stats that Boardman would have been, like the training of 400 coaches in Tasmania in the last four months.

I don't know what is happening in other states, but recently a lot of work has been done with the grass roots coaching in this state.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:00:07 PM


Thats very interesting that you said thay, because Berger himself had admited its a 'techical' problem when it came to deliever the content out to the grass roots, is thier something done about it, who knows???



The point is that Berger doesn't have the information about all facets of FFA at his fingertips. A bit like a politician who suddenly goes from education minister to prime minister. Then they are expected to know about health, defence, indigenous affairs, attorney general's department, environment, etc.

Norm Boardman would have been able to answer the question much better than Han Berger.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:49:27 PM
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Chips has somewhat of a vested interest in seeing the Berger regime fail: Berger's and his assistants are taking jobs, money and positions he believes he, and many others-that have no doubt toiled hard with minimal resources over many years- deserve.


Not quite.

You'd have to offer me a Buckley salary, with a ten year water-tight contract, for me to consider walking away from my day job.

I have no interest in any strayan sockah positions, whatsoever.
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What qualifications/skills do you have which FFA would find particularly valuable, and there is a paucity of in that particular organisation?

Tertiary qualifications?

Football coaching qualifications?

Business experience/qualifications?

Given the amount of time you spend on football forums/computer, what type of day job do you have? How productive are you?


Most people who work at FFA would have secretarial/media/football/educational/tertiary/administrative experience and qualifications.






Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 09:00:19 PM
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Sounds like PTSD.
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Arthur wrote:
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The FFA message isn't reaching the grass roots yet.

Berger's campaign to play a more technical style is long term. Berger considers physical football can win the odd game, but not consistent performances.



I thought Les was ready to rip into Berger about this issue. And there is a problem in this area as the National Curriculum is "Vague" about content and "Vague" to the layman junior coach. The only content ("recommended training drills") is some notes available about the SAP (Skill Acquisition Programmes)program. The Father volunteer coach at "grassroots" level is the one begging for help and it hasn't been forthcomming enough from Han Bergers's office.

This is not good enough.



As previously mentioned, I have a copy of FFA's new handbook for the grass roots and junior coaches next to me. It is written by Kelly Cross and Han Berger. It has a number of SSGs.

It also provides parent tips for coaching using sound teaching practices. Apparently Norm Boardman even uses it as a reference point sometimes.
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ozboy wrote:
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It's funny how you can read results two different ways. You see the above as the success of the system. I look at the players in that squad and see it as the exact opposite. Apart from McDonald firing in some in the Championship and Kennedy succeeding in the J-League, that squad has gone on to do exactly diddly-squat! Rather than judging youth squads on their final placing at youth tournaments, lets judge on how they develop their senior career.

Spot on. And none playing for the top clubs of Europe.

Edited by ozboy: 3/5/2011 09:19:53 AM



Fair point.

Kaz Patafta was considered to be one of the best players in the world at 16.

Where is he now?

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Ok don't get your stupid story but whatever your talking makes me think your one weird old troll! :lol:


Perhaps you should make a note in your diary to revisit this thread on your 12th birthday - bound to make much more sense after a little maturity.


why should I, and not I'm 12 I'm 23! I don't need to listen to u

FYI in 1999 at the U17 World Cup, Australia faced Brazil and lost on penalties in the final.

Australian team included the likes of Van Stratten, McDonald, Kennedy, Madaaschi, North, Srhoj etc

http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=102/edition=3611/matches/match=18496/report.html

So what Judy Free is saying has merit. 10 years ago we went the distance with our youth and took Brazil to penalties (I remember this was all over the papers at the time, back page and everything). Now we struggle against minnow Asian teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_FIFA_U-17_World_Championship

we also topped our group which included Brazil.

Football existed pre 2005 :shock: :shock:



It's funny how you can read results two different ways. You see the above as the success of the system. I look at the players in that squad and see it as the exact opposite. Apart from McDonald firing in some in the Championship and Kennedy succeeding in the J-League, that squad has gone on to do exactly diddly-squat! Rather than judging youth squads on their final placing at youth tournaments, lets judge on how they develop their senior career.


+1

The techniques that made this squad world beaters at U-17 level is what hurt them when they are adults.

If this squad was so good and the techniques were so great pre 2005, why didn't these players get to the highest level as adults like the players from other countries at that world cup did?



Fair point, Clinton.
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Han Berger?

Get a real Aussie name. I'll even give you one.

You are henceforth known as Harry Bogan.

You're welcome.

Your pal,

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Decentric wrote:
There is also a handbook for junior coaches. Those parents who have never kicked a ball have access to a hand book written by Kelly Cross and Han Berger. I have a copy next to me.

I want. Now! :D I will have to enquire with FFSA if they have these available. I know that they have been running a lot of Grassroots coaching sessions but was unaware that there was a handbook now available.

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General Ashnak wrote:
Decentric wrote:
There is also a handbook for junior coaches. Those parents who have never kicked a ball have access to a hand book written by Kelly Cross and Han Berger. I have a copy next to me.

I want. Now! :D I will have to enquire with FFSA if they have these available. I know that they have been running a lot of Grassroots coaching sessions but was unaware that there was a handbook now available.



It is available here in this state.

However, given one of our forum members lack of response from FFV there could be a lack of will/apathy from some state FFA branches.

I actually requested to meet the new state TD in private to avoid one of the long term problem members of FFT. In the past coaches/parents had to make all the contact with FFT . Now they are more proactive with some new blood in the organisation.

I can recommend two other junior coaching books too.

General if you don't have any luck with FFSA, I'll chase up our local guys to assist you in your attempts to get a handbook. It is a good size too.
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Cheers Decentric! If need be I will ask you, but will go local first.

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Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
stefcep wrote:
Chips has somewhat of a vested interest in seeing the Berger regime fail: Berger's and his assistants are taking jobs, money and positions he believes he, and many others-that have no doubt toiled hard with minimal resources over many years- deserve.


Not quite.

You'd have to offer me a Buckley salary, with a ten year water-tight contract, for me to consider walking away from my day job.

I have no interest in any strayan sockah positions, whatsoever.
i]




What qualifications/skills do you have which FFA would find particularly valuable, and there is a paucity of in that particular organisation?

Tertiary qualifications?

Football coaching qualifications?

Business experience/qualifications?

Given the amount of time you spend on football forums/computer, what type of day job do you have? How productive are you?


Most people who work at FFA would have secretarial/media/football/educational/tertiary/administrative experience and qualifications.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:48:26 PM

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:54:01 PM

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 01:05:43 PM


As previously stated, I am multi-skilled, and with an exceptional ability to spot a fraud in a crowd. That said, as frauds go, you standout like 2 ton balls on a chihuahua i.e. no skill necessary.

One year coaching a girl's team in a pickup tassie comp, one mum and dad licence, one KNVB certificate of attendance, and ten years watching over the little lunch kickabouts between 6 year olds. That's the sum total of your coaching experience. But we established all that a long time ago. There was a time (not so long ago) that you accepted this.

Your self-annointed position of new-age tassie coaching guru, whilst piss-funny amusing, probably says more about the state of tasmanian sockah than your own delusions of grandeur.

Always good chatting, decentric. Now, don't forget to pass on my regards to Sir Alex, Jose, Pep and Arsene the next you're rubbing shoulders with your peers.




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The Tasmanian president of FFA state branch just informed me that the new state TD and his two lieutenants have coached 6000 school kids in the last 6 months.

This is great news for grass roots football. These coaches are working their butts off for the development of football in this state.

They've coached more school kids, and trained more junior and grass roots coaches in 6 months, than the the previous TDs and assistants did in 10 years!!!!
One couldn't manage to get their predecessors out of the office. When they did they offended parents/coaches/players/club administrators too. They also put off grass roots coaches, those parents desperate for help.

Also, the new TD is bringing down FFA senior coaches much more frequently. We've had Tony Franken and Norm Boardman taking sessions in the last few months. We also have big seminars occurring in the imminent future.

The new TD is also ensuring local NTC coaches, like Dean May, who has coached at Arsenal, are available for clubs. Also coaches are encouraged to watch his sessions. The expertise is being shared. Previous CEOs and TDs weren't interested, or, it was all too hard.

The new president also sacked the last TD, who was yet another control freak suffering from a significant dose of megalomania. Great decision president. Moreover, he oversaw the appointment of the new excellent TD.

We also have a new CEO who is considered good too.

At this rate we'll have a state league soon. At last things are looking up for Tasmanian football.

I'm not sure how much credit Han Berger can claim for this.

Localstar has pointed out in the past that I'm negative about the future of football in this state. Things are changing for the better.


('o:)




Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 07:47:55 PM
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Excellent news Decentric! Though Berger is not responsible For the TD he is responsible for the content of his teachings.

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Barca4Life wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Barca4Life wrote:
Decentric that's the real question isn't it, it's how and when will the message will come through for the new technical direction to come through to the grass roots?


This is an interesting point about which I can now share more information.

Apparently Han Berger very much perceives himself as the Technical Director. The playing performances of the national teams, amongst others, is his priority.

Norm Boardman is the Game Manager for FFA. Boardman is much more aware of stats. When Berger was asked about grass roots by Les Murray, he wouldn't have been as familiar with all the stats that Boardman would have been, like the training of 400 coaches in Tasmania in the last four months.

I don't know what is happening in other states, but recently a lot of work has been done with the grass roots coaching in this state.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 12:00:07 PM


Thats very interesting that you said thay, because Berger himself had admited its a 'techical' problem when it came to deliever the content out to the grass roots, is thier something done about it, who knows???


It is getting out there in Tasmania. There is no technical problem here.

*6000 kids coached in schools by the TD and his two assistants in 4 months.

*300 coaches received grass roots licences in the last 6 months.

*92 junior coaches received junior licences in the last 6 months.

These guys are getting out and about talking to coaches/parents because there was minimal response in the past to coaching courses.


Another coach and myself set up the Football For Everyone school because of the poor attitude of senior clubs to development of youth. The FFE concept was also conceived in part due to apathy from previous coaching administrations from Football Federation Tasmania. Now we are possibly going to enter in some sort of partnership with FFT, with them organising public liability and support in equipment.

This would never have happened in the past.
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The new TD is also ensuring local NTC coaches, like Dean May, who has coached at Arsenal


Coached at Arsenal?

Wow?

Have you managed an autograph?

Your ability to drop names to beef up your knowledge vacuum has taken on a life form of it's own.

Now, decentric, are you going to tell the good people of 442 exactly what was Dean May's role at Arsenal, or shall I? :d

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Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
The new TD is also ensuring local NTC coaches, like Dean May, who has coached at Arsenal


Coached at Arsenal?

Wow?

Have you managed an autograph?

Your ability to drop names to beef up your knowledge vacuum has taken on a life form of it's own.

Now, decentric, are you going to tell the good people of 442 exactly what was Dean May's role at Arsenal, or shall I? :d

Edited by judy free: 5/5/2011 09:06:10 PM


This is where i need my deer popcorn eating gif.:d
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Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
The new TD is also ensuring local NTC coaches, like Dean May, who has coached at Arsenal


Coached at Arsenal?

Wow?

Have you managed an autograph?

Your ability to drop names to beef up your knowledge vacuum has taken on a life form of it's own.

Now, decentric, are you going to tell the good people of 442 exactly what was Dean May's role at Arsenal, or shall I? :d

Edited by judy free: 5/5/2011 09:06:10 PM


Dont know about his coaching career but found this on his playing career.:lol:

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as a player I played semi professional in England as a goal keeper, predominately in the Doc Martin's League. I was in the armed forces as a fitness instructor so played with the army combined services for ten years, and from there that took me into coaching, obviously specialising in the goal keeping area."


Doc Martins league-how low can you go?:lol:

Edited by rabid: 5/5/2011 09:24:36 PM
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rabid wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
The new TD is also ensuring local NTC coaches, like Dean May, who has coached at Arsenal


Coached at Arsenal?

Wow?

Have you managed an autograph?

Your ability to drop names to beef up your knowledge vacuum has taken on a life form of it's own.

Now, decentric, are you going to tell the good people of 442 exactly what was Dean May's role at Arsenal, or shall I? :d

Edited by judy free: 5/5/2011 09:06:10 PM


This is where i need my deer popcorn eating gif.:d


Decentric's gone a bit shy on us so I'll help him out a bit:

Nope, this Dean fucking Who didn't coach alongside Arsene Wenger
Nor did he play any level of football for the gunners
And he didn't coach their youth team
In fact he didn't even pickup cones for any of the men's teams

However, DfWho does claim to have once, for a very very short period, to have assisted the head GK coach of the women's team (I assume he collected the pink cones, washed the bibs, mucked out the dunnies and organised tampon disposal etc).

Coached for Arsenal?

Decentric, you naive and impressionable old numpty you. :lol:



Edited by judy free: 5/5/2011 10:00:25 PM
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Judy Free wrote:

Nope, this Dean fucking Who didn't coach alongside Arsene Wenger
Nor did he play any level of football for the gunners
And he didn't coach their youth team
In fact he didn't even pickup cones for any of the men's teams

However, DfWho does claim to have once, for a very very short period, to have assisted the head GK coach of the women's team (I assume he collected the pink cones, washed the bibs, mucked out the dunnies and organised tampon disposal etc).

Coached for Arsenal?

Decentric, you naive and impressionable old numpty you. :lol:



Edited by judy free: 5/5/2011 10:00:25 PM




I can't find out all this info other than where he played. What is the link, Chips?

If he was an assistant to the women's team at Arsenal, he still coached the women's team. Many assistants lead sessions. Dean has never stated he was head coach at Arsenal.

When Norm Boardman and Tony Franken took local Tassie coaches for recent coaching sessions, Dean was an active assistant in those presentations.
At times he adopted the role of co-coach. Norm and Tony appeared to have planned this for the sessions. Maybe Kurt Reynolds, state TD, was instrumental in the planning too?

Chips, you also denigrate women's football. It is an integral component of FFA's current ideology, as conceived by Han Berger.

At the same age, a female under 12 rep team I coached, had better skills in some facets of the game, than a male under 12 rep team I coached recently in the adjoining region. Half the female team was a year underage too. Hence, they were a younger team.

* They had better footwork in receiving the ball.

* They had better accuracy and superior body shape when performing inside of the foot passing.

* They had better first touches, particularly with aerial balls.

* They were much better individual and paired jugglers.

Maybe you suffer from misogyny in football?


Once again you may need to observe Dean May coach in the flesh before you evaluate him. He appears to be highly thought of by Kurt Reynplds, Tassie FFA TD, and former Young Socceroo captain.

The upper echelons of FFA coaching hierarchy must also rate him if they involve him as an integral part of their coaching programmes.

At the KNVB course I did, a few participants, former state players, thought Dean May was the best coach they'd had.





Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 10:36:00 PM
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This is one big reason why the A-league needs it's own independant commission to run the game separately from the FFA. Head office has it's fingers in too many pies, and it looks like it's too much to handle. While the A-league is struggling for a number of reasons, the setup and structure of the game, especially starting from grassroots level is as good as it's ever been in this country. We have alot of promising youngsters coming through now, and this is all down to better planning, making coaches get better training and better qualifications, the National Curriculum, small sided games, more pathways for juniors, etc. We have really improved in this area. It will take us a while to get a great generation of players together for the National Team again, but this is how it starts.
It's this sort of planning that has allowed France, Spain, Portugal, Holland and others produce so many quality youngsters. And the more you produce, the more that are going to come out the other side as genuine superstars.
Han Berger looks like he knows what he's doing, and that he has got a clear plan in mind. When you listen to him speak, just like Holger, you can tell they know what they're talking about.


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