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The techniques that made this squad world beaters at U-17 level is what hurt them when they are adults.

If this squad was so good and the techniques were so great pre 2005, why didn't these players get to the highest level as adults like the players from other countries at that world cup did?

That's the thing, what is this technical issue? The problem of not seeing the coaching content deeper down the through the system?

Spot on. And none playing for the top clubs of Europe.

Edited by ozboy: 3/5/2011 09:19:53 AM

Oh derrr.

We've employed a collection of 5th rate unemployable dutch hacks who have managed to fool a rower, an AFL dude and shopping centre rent collector by speaking in scripted headline statements.

The strayan sockah con of the century.

Which players in the dutch-stamped U20's (or U23's) are contracted to an EPL club or any club in a top euro league?

Macca was at Southhampton at 18 years old.

Diddly-squat?





Edited by judy free: 3/5/2011 09:35:34 AM

I can't see the problem with what Shatter has written. If anything, he's hit the nail on the head!

Exactly.

We've been sold a dream.

These things happen when a rower is making strategic football decisions.

Salesman walks into his sales manager's office to explain why he missed his monthly sales target by 80%.

"we have never been in better shape"
"I am using world's best internal systems"
"my sales tactics are considered world's best practice"
"I've enrolled on three more sales training courses this fin year"
"I am a highly trained salesman, who dresses neatly and looks the part"
"I see nothing but target-busting returns a few years down the track"
"only problem at the moment is that my immediate sales prospects are all idiots"
"Oh and boss, can I shift from a commission based salary to a simple high base?"

But all credit to Bergler's sales skill - he's certainly sold our FFA one massive dummy.

Exactly what Bergler wants to hear - his financial planner would be thrilled to hear such feedback.

Forever unaccountable.



Edited by judy free: 3/5/2011 09:02:10 AM

So stefcep walked into an U13/3's training session and demanded to know why the dad (who drew the short straw) wasn't playing a 433.

I can just see you on game day, stalking the sidelines, shouting "where's our Lionel Messi?"

Too funny. :lol:

It's funny how you can read results two different ways. You see the above as the success of the system. I look at the players in that squad and see it as the exact opposite. Apart from McDonald firing in some in the Championship and Kennedy succeeding in the J-League, that squad has gone on to do exactly diddly-squat! Rather than judging youth squads on their final placing at youth tournaments, lets judge on how they develop their senior career.

I thought Les was ready to rip into Berger about this issue. And there is a problem in this area as the National Curriculum is "Vague" about content and "Vague" to the layman junior coach. The only content ("recommended training drills") is some notes available about the SAP (Skill Acquisition Programmes)program. The Father volunteer coach at "grassroots" level is the one begging for help and it hasn't been forthcomming enough from Han Bergers's office.

This is not good enough.

What a great way to buy time and keep draining the dollars.

Imagine if i said to my MD, "listen here, forget short term results for now, keep paying me based on worlds best practice and wait for the returns down the track."

Guess where i would be?

What is your point?

We were knocking off these countries when we had nowhere near the levels of money we spend these days whilst we still had the competition from other codes and sport.



Edited by rabid: 3/5/2011 12:25:53 AM

It is also a question of long term and short term.

Short term we may nick more results in tournaments by playing to our current strengths.

Long term we need to play a style which is more conducive to success in the international arena. By playing a 4-3-3 possession game we are are a work in progress.

We don't yet have a plethora of attacking full backs and wingers.

It is.


Berger admitted there are problems which he claimed are technical. In what context I don't know.


We are short circuiting and expediting this process by setting up a mobile football school to take to clubs and regions in our home state.

I've lived in the middle-east. They are rich countries spending big money on football. They also have no competition from league, union, cricket and AFL for athletes and corporate sponsorship.

Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman all have money. Football is a big sport there.

Iran and Iraq have big populations.

In the east, Japan, Korea and China have money too.

So taken to its logical conclusion, Chips Rafferty (Judy Free), you would have changed nothing since the new FFA regime came into power in the early nineties?

In terms of methodology and curriculum we have closed the gap, through FFA edicts, on better contemporary practices in modern world football in Australia. If we had stuck to the past we would still be entering tournaments hoping for the odd upset and nicking results.

Chips, what has happened to your No Holds Barred Forum?

Have the few posters on it left?

Yep arnie and ange can thank their lucky stars they sit in on that course.](*,)

So why havent we improved over the same time?

What the vietnams and thailands have got our resources now?

Decentric that's the real question isn't it, it's how and when will the message will come through for the new technical direction to come through to the grass roots?

What many don't take into consideration is the improvement of other nations within the same time frame.

At a FFA presentation a few years ago, the weaker confederations at youth level have made up considerable ground.

I picked him first post too, Stefcep.

Chips Rafferty has been trolling in the Performance Section for about a month, insulting most he meets with his inimitable brand of cynicism, patronisation and sarcasm.

Chips' name is different. The message is the same.




The FFA message isn't reaching the grass roots yet.

Berger's campaign to play a more technical style is long term. Berger considers physical football can win the odd game, but not consistent performances.

Edited by Decentric: 3/5/2011 12:19:30 AM

FYI in 1999 at the U17 World Cup, Australia faced Brazil and lost on penalties in the final.

Australian team included the likes of Van Stratten, McDonald, Kennedy, Madaaschi, North, Srhoj etc

http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=102/edition=3611/matches/match=18496/report.html

So what Judy Free is saying has merit. 10 years ago we went the distance with our youth and took Brazil to penalties (I remember this was all over the papers at the time, back page and everything). Now we struggle against minnow Asian teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_FIFA_U-17_World_Championship

we also topped our group which included Brazil.

Football existed pre 2005 :shock: :shock:

Man I just felt like I know you from TWGF. Is that you Mr Rafferty?

Our Joeys succeeded because we relied on physicality, which gets you results at that age. But gets you nowhere at senior level, where technique and tactics decide match outcomes.

Berger his said its his aim to have success playing a technical level of football. He repeated that tonight. We nearly won the Asia Cup at junior level.

What disappointed but didn't surprise me was the take up of SSG and the 433 at junior clubs has been disappointing. I wasn't surprised because both of the two local clubs at under 10-under 14 level were totally ignoring this and coaching the way they always have...I was disappointed as this seems to be widespread

I'd kill to know why they wanna do this

watching it now... delayed laugh by Zdrillic was lolworthy, was one of those nervous laughs where he didn't get the joke

What was the stated purpose?

What are you talking about? The 3 youth players will be replaced by 3 senior players to make up the required squad, and on higher wages.

why should I, and not I'm 12 I'm 23! I don't need to listen to u