Given it takes to long in a short time to delineate/respond to training session for senior state league clubs in one thread, I'll add a new thread each time I view one.

This was with club NE tonight.

The C head coach S is a good mate of FFE co-coach C.


Club C


1. Warm up done with 7v7 SSG in about a 30mx 30m grid. No specific instructions given to players apart from one touch where possible.

2. 7v7 SSG on half a full size pitch. 4 senior players away with the flu. No specific positional play instructions. Coach S wanted to play on this bigger pitch for more accurate passing over distance.

3. Crossing drill. Players ran down right wing, and crossing into two forwards. The two forwards were supposed to cross over. One going to near post and one to far post. Coach had to keep reminding players. Coaching point was timing of runs.

Duration: 1 hour 45 min

Touches: Player chosen touched the ball 130 times. Nearly all of them were made in a match scenario under some sort of defensive pressure.



Edited by Decentric: 27/7/2011 12:48:32 AM

Edited by Decentric: 30/7/2011 04:48:44 AM

Club W.

Senior coach 1 has also been state under 15s coach and a senior coach at another club.

Session.

Before some players did juggling with ball in a circle as a warm up. Not prescribed by coach..

1. Warm up by running and technical sports science exercises.

2. File passing.
I like this drill (and have used it a lot as a coach), but have devised a modified version for more touches. If I can find file passing on the internet as a video, I'll post it. This drill was stopped intermittelntly whilst players did push ups and sit ups.

3. Sprints with the ball. About 80 metres at a time.

4. 9v9 SSG.

5. Circuit sprint exercise drill without a ball.

6a. 6v6 SSG with keepers. Shooting game with big goals on pitch 25metres x 25 metres. It is set out in KNVB SSGs.

6b. Players not involved in 6 v 6, which was rotated, performed a dribbling around cones.

7. Half a pitch with 10 v 10 including keepers.

8. Flash sports science type running , warm down drill.

Duration: 1 hour 45 minutes

The player I focused on touched the ball about 250 times in the session.


I've put this session in from club W to compare.

Edited by Decentric: 30/7/2011 04:50:17 AM

What did you teach them, and what did they take away from the session?

I don't see anything remotely clever or innovative in the above - no diff to what you might see on any training paddock around the country for the past 40 odd years.

2 random sessions with no theme or progressions, no wonder HB wants state leagues to get C licence coaches as this is the 2nd tier of Football and at the moment is closer to sunday morning with the dog and duck pub team.

These are observations of head coaches of two different split state league clubs taking training ground sessions at their home grounds.

I was simply an observer who sometimes conferred with the coach about what he was trying to do. I did not take the sessions.

Edited by Decentric: 27/7/2011 11:56:26 AM

Both the head coaches of W and C held C Licences.

Coach S of the second team, C, took sessions where there was all sessions were game related.

It would have helped if he had had a specific skills session to address weaknesses identified in the previous matches. Coach S was concerned about passing over distances.
He could have tried Barca Academy's Directional Control and Control Pass. Both these are explicit distance passing drills. I'll send them to him by email if he wants them.

IF he had split the first session (7v7) into two games of 4v4, 3v3 in confined spaces, it would have been better for tight technique development. There was no explicit instruction of shape either.

The 7v7 with half the pitch was fine. He just needed to have the two teams playing in their match positions and team shape.

The crossing drill was also effective, except he didn't work on the left hand side. The one thing was that the players needed to dribble balls back to their starting positions.

If these suggestions were added, the session would have been pretty good. Players ran for the whole 105 minutes performing football related activities.

Edited by Decentric: 30/7/2011 04:51:00 AM

Care to explain your motivation for attending, other than highlighting some theoretical deficiences along with an opportunity to take cheap shots at these two coaches on an internet forum?

Edited by judy free: 27/7/2011 12:04:46 PM

Clubs/coaches are totally anonymous. One is a a distant mate. All the coaches I've met/evaluated are decent blokes. It is interesting to appraise what occurs on the training track in the split state league, with what appears on the pitch in terms of performance.

Tasmanian, possibly Australian teams, are much stronger in some facets of the game than others.

When a Korean under 12 team visited Hobart recently they had different attributes when performing under match conditions. They used some KNVB practices on the training ground.

Seriously, decentric, in consideration of your football experiences, do you honestly believe you have earnt the right to evaluate significantly more experienced LOCAL coaches and put it up on an internet forum?

Do these KNVB blow in no mark mercenaries teach 'arrogance' in their courses?

Respond to the aforementioned training ground exercises. As KA has said to you, "play the ball not the man".


Provide your perception of the value of them?

What you would do instead and why?

Which drills had the most value in terms of football content?

How you would co-ordinate the two coaching models into a cohesive and sequential programme?

Attack the idea not the person. Even better put up an observation of a few state league senior training sessions in NSW and critique them. Or at least provide the opportunity for others to discuss them.:)

Some office bearers with a lot of power in key football organisations refuse to publicise FFE to their consituents. Some of the constituents (players/coaches) are participating in FFE and getting a lot out of it. Yet their office bearers refuse to publicise a FREE programme to develop players' skills/game sense. I am impatient and not willing to wait for a year to build big numbers. We now have a regular 17-20.

Other punters claim FFE cannot attract players because we as coaches have no REPUTATION. By knowing what occurs on training grounds with coaches with big reputations, it is possible to proffer differences in FFE methodology, to what is occurring on those training grounds taken by coaches with those big reputations.

I know which questions/issues to raise. All FFE's criticism has come from people who have never seen us take sessions. I can make comments from an informed position, extolling the benefit of KNVB training, compare to ad hoc programmes.

Perceptions and positive publicity for FFE are now changing. One very well known coach in the Tassie football milieu trains at FFE and brings his daughter. He is reserve state league coach of a women's team at one of Tassie's biggest clubs, probably the richest. He is now publicly extolling the football value and enjoyment of FFE training ground methodology for him and his daughter.

Why should that matter?

And why should you use this as an excuse to take cheap shots at hard working and experienced tasmanian amateur coaches?

Look, if you want a reputation as a decent local coach (and this appears to be your number one priority) then may I suggest that you......earn it.

There are no shortcuts, decentric. You need to do the hard slog (perhaps 10,15 or 20 years) before you can preach from the pulpit. Anything less and it can be easily deemed as straight out arrogance. You need to ask yourself why these "office bearers" are not coming to the party.



I don't get this at all.

Why are "big numbers" a priority?

Are you in this for philanthropic reasons or otherwise?

Edited by judy free: 28/7/2011 09:39:53 AM

There are some office bearers who see the greater good of football as paramount. We lack technical coaching available to players not deemed good enough to access elite programmes in this state. Many club youth coaches are 'shouters' and inadvertently bastardise players. Players are dropping out in the mid teens in enormous numbers.

Most office bearers are supportive. We want players who want extra football coaching to be able to access it.

The general standard may improve as we impart sound training paradigms to many players. Coaches who take it back to clubs will also be able to impart more technical training. FFA state branch provides no ongoing assessment/assistance to coaches on the training ground in between licences apart from a few visits by national FFA coaches.

In some way we think we are filling a void at FFE. We now have three head coaches. Two with about 50 years combined experience and another with sound training paradigms.

The office bearers are the same types who always look after their own fiefdoms to the detriment of football as a
whole.

As for arrogance I am one of three coaches. Other's experience compensates for lack of coaching experience/knowledge on my part - 12 years. They also recognise sound KNVB methodology and a teacher with 26 years experience. The other guys fine tune the overall KNVB training model I use.

Even though I disagree with you, I appreciate you have questioned the idea more than playing the man regarding this post.

Big numbers equates to more young Tasmanian footballers who can play in a non-competitive environment and enjoy the game.

The altruistic reasons are there. What other motives could I have? Ditto the other coaches at FFE who have turned their back on rep football and winning state titles as a priority. It can actually be intrinsically satisfying to see a lot of kids enjoying playing football and learning really quickly, as opposed to the extrinsic satisfaction of winning titles.

Edited by Decentric: 28/7/2011 02:09:56 PM

And this is like different to any other srayan states, or even in other countries?

Facepalm.



There you go again. :roll:

One of a kind, sweetheart.

I have to agree about players dropping out. The level of quitting increases with age, and that includes most sports and most countries, but particularly those with wealth and choice. Girls, grog and giggles.

I'm in that position myself. I'm asst coaching the U16s, and have taken a number of sessions myself. If the coach stays around next year, i don't think I'll bother again, as there are a couple of boys who've had a whole season to get their attitude right, but have been nothing but disruptive. Not bad players, but IMO they have a negative effeect on the others, as everyone is not getting as much value out of the sessions as they could be.

If OTOH the coach were to not come back next season, and I put my hand up (which would be the natural thing to do, as i've been involved with these boys for a few years), the first thing I'll do is get rid of these two. Being a firm believer in a "no dckhead" policy, I think the harm these 2 do to the rest of the team just isn't worth what they can bring to the pitch on game day.