RyanM
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kavorka
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RyanM wrote: Crowds for a city the size of Wellington are fine. There are teams in the eredivisie who get the same crowds as us, we should not be reliant on getting more than eight or nine k on average. Getting more vewership and money out of sky should be the priority for the FFA.
The comparison can't be made. Holland is smaller than the size of Victoria, thus club running costs are virtually a fraction of what it costs to run an A league club, with travel costs being virtually negligible. It sucks, but unfortunately the bar is much higher for HAL clubs to be viable, compared to the rest of the world (USA excluded) On a side note, i know rugby is king in NZ, and this is potentially an ignorant comment, but wouldn't there be a plethora of smaller, rectangular stadiums to base the team out of in Wellington? It is such a shame you guys have to play in such a large sparse oval stadium. That has been the number one killer imho, your stadium. Edited by kavorka: 31/10/2015 03:53:23 PM
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RyanM
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Not big enough fire the nix.
The rugby teams crowds are small as well.
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Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? The crowds are high for a city the size of Wellington especially when it also has two professional rugby teams, a professional cricket team, and a pro netball team.
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RedFunk
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RyanM wrote:Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? That 11k was their first year. Here is the average attendance of the Nix without finals included. 2007/2008 - 11,683 2008/2009 - 7,193 2009/2010 - 8,966 2010/2011 - 7,829 2011/2012 - 8,691 2012/2013 - 6,877 2013/2014 - 8,186 2014/2015 - 8,583
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kavorka
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RyanM wrote:Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? The crowds are high for a city the size of Wellington especially when it also has two professional rugby teams, a professional cricket team, and a pro netball team.
Edited by ryanm: 31/10/2015 03:58:58 PM Not disputing the crowds, the numbers are fine, but the membership numbers are a disgrace. With low membership numbers how is a club meant to plan for the future and take the next step in its development? 8k in a 12k stadium - terrific 8k in a 35k stadium - not good it's the crowd v stadium running costs that would be hurting the club. A smaller venue would make a huge difference to both the running costs, as well as atmosphere and fan enjoyment
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RedFunk
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kavorka wrote:RyanM wrote:Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? The crowds are high for a city the size of Wellington especially when it also has two professional rugby teams, a professional cricket team, and a pro netball team.
Edited by ryanm: 31/10/2015 03:58:58 PM Not disputing the crowds, the numbers are fine, but the membership numbers are a disgrace. With low membership numbers how is a club meant to plan for the future and take the next step in its development? 8k in a 12k stadium - terrific 8k in a 35k stadium - not good it's the crowd v stadium running costs that would be hurting the club. A smaller venue would make a huge difference to both the running costs, as well as atmosphere and fan enjoyment This, how hard is it for Nix fans just to buy the shit 50 dollar memberships to boost their numbers.
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RyanM
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kavorka wrote:RyanM wrote:Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? The crowds are high for a city the size of Wellington especially when it also has two professional rugby teams, a professional cricket team, and a pro netball team.
Edited by ryanm: 31/10/2015 03:58:58 PM Not disputing the crowds, the numbers are fine, but the membership numbers are a disgrace. With low membership numbers how is a club meant to plan for the future and take the next step in its development? 8k in a 12k stadium - terrific 8k in a 35k stadium - not good it's the crowd v stadium running costs that would be hurting the club. A smaller venue would make a huge difference to both the running costs, as well as atmosphere and fan enjoyment The nix attempted to build a stadium in petone last year but the nimbys got it turned down. It's a chicken and egg thing you wouldn't spend thirty million on a stadium without a ten year license and you potentially won't get a ten year license without a 15k stadium.
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NuxLover
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Hey guys, pretty confident about winning tonight, i think the boys will be pumped up and use that anger against Victory tonight. We have plenty of goals in us and Victory seem to be very flat, ill say 3-1.
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Bullion
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FunkMasterFlex wrote:RyanM wrote:Last year the nix averaged 8.6 they have averaged as high as 11 before. But they are never going to consistently be above 10, which is the clubs goal. If crowds this size are not wanted then why set a club up here in the first place? That 11k was their first year. Here is the average attendance of the Nix without finals included. 2007/2008 - 11,683 2008/2009 - 7,193 2009/2010 - 8,966 2010/2011 - 7,829 2011/2012 - 8,691 2012/2013 - 6,877 2013/2014 - 8,186 2014/2015 - 8,583 Crowds and memberships should not be high on FFA metrics, they don't provide any direct revenue. (A better suited stadium would look better and higher crowds/memberships could be a selling point to commercial partners but they could use social media engagement as metric which would show the 'Nix to be doing really well. ) I also wonder what Melb Heart/City crowds are like without derbies
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11539876Quote:Steven Holloway: NZF not to blame for Phoenix troubles
10:17 AM Wednesday Nov 4, 2015
Lost amid 48 hours of wall-to-wall rugby coverage last weekend was a fascinating interview Radio Sport conducted with former Wellington Phoenix vice-captain Tim Brown.
Brown, who made more than 100 appearances for the Phoenix before retiring from professional football in 2012 to study for a master's degree in economics in London, was commenting on the Wellington club's current A-League license spat which threatens to derail New Zealand's footballing future.
In the 10-minute interview, Brown's opinions ranged from the ambitious (New Zealand need to move into Asia) to the ridiculous (could we get a Christchurch team in the A-League?), but his most absorbing insight was about the Phoenix's plight. Objectively, he said, you just can't paint Football Federation Australia as the bad guy in all of this.
"If you're the FFA and you see this outlier club which plays in a different Confederation, with small crowds, which gives you bugger-all money for TV rights - and they're trying to grow the league the best way that they can....
whether it's a negotiation ploy or whether it's something they genuinely feel, objectively speaking, I don't think it's something we can criticise them over," Brown said.
Brown, who was one of the most likeable, intelligent All Whites of recent years and now lives in San Francisco where he is the founder of a footwear start-up company, then turned his attention to a familiar if slightly unexpected scapegoat.
"For me, there's only one bad guy in all this, and that's New Zealand Football."
In most cases over the last six months, blaming New Zealand Football would be about par for the course. Their amateur administration shattered Olympic dreams. They wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees, went to war with OFC and lost, and even got suckered out of a few easy dollars from Fifa.
But they are not to blame here.
Sources say NZF has already invested $1 million into the Phoenix over the last several years, as well as incorporating their reserve team into the ASB Premiership and youth team into the National Youth League.
Brown argued NZF have been busy playing small-ball, focusing time and investment on things like televising the ASB Premiership when they should be focused on a bigger vision which involved "embracing what the Aussie's are doing" and joining Asia.
These 'big-picture' ideas are often at odds with reality. The problem with joining Asia is that NZF are the only party who (might) want that to happen. OFC don't and Asia certainly doesn't, although the upcoming Fifa presidential elections could create a new landscape.
Short of taking over the Phoenix's licence themselves, which would create myriad conflicts of interest, NZF have done just about as much as they can in this particular situation.
The reason the Phoenix are on the brink of getting tossed from the A-League all comes down to money. FFA chairman Frank Lowy wants more than the Phoenix are currently able to give him.
NZF are exploring ways to help the Phoenix but, ultimately, the A-League club must find a sustainable way of being more attractive to the FFA themselves.
But the ramifications of losing an A-League licence would be devastating for the game in New Zealand. Top players would quickly move overseas, the game would lose its visibility and, once New Zealand lost a foothold in the A-League, it's hard to see them getting back in.
The fight must go on and NZF and the Phoenix need to join forces to do all they can in the short-term to save the professional game.
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A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them.
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nomates wrote:A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them. You'll find Staff, Players and Fans will all start looking for better options. Sorry for the fans that the Death Spiral has been triggered, But on the other hand if there are any fans out there who didn't realise what the HAL is all about when NQ and GCU fans were shafted, well...
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nomates wrote:A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them. If it is the last season, they could be apart of something and supporting their local team- at the very least
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Bullion wrote:nomates wrote:A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them. If it is the last season, they could be apart of something and supporting their local team- at the very least Sympathy can only get you so far, There is no way the sympathy card holds up to the end of the season - People tend to get over things fast and walk. Welnix have came out and demanded 5k membership? Fkn LOL that's just saying in public there is no next season. Then they demand 10k every game? plausible but not likely. My comments are negative for a negative situation, Welnix's need to comment on Phoenix's future instead of dragging it out like the sympathy card going around.
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Can New Zealand wake up to the fact that $1 million was a big aount of money about 50 years ago?
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RyanM
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nomates wrote:Bullion wrote:nomates wrote:A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them. If it is the last season, they could be apart of something and supporting their local team- at the very least Sympathy can only get you so far, There is no way the sympathy card holds up to the end of the season - People tend to get over things fast and walk. Welnix have came out and demanded 5k membership? Fkn LOL that's just saying in public there is no next season. Then they demand 10k every game? plausible but not likely. My comments are negative for a negative situation, Welnix's need to comment on Phoenix's future instead of dragging it out like the sympathy card going around. They have set a target of 5k members, they had the target announced before the season started based on the 4.3k members they got last year.
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nomates wrote:Bullion wrote:nomates wrote:A lot of people are asking : Why should they buy membership to a club that is not going to be around next season. Cant blame them. If it is the last season, they could be apart of something and supporting their local team- at the very least Sympathy can only get you so far, There is no way the sympathy card holds up to the end of the season - People tend to get over things fast and walk. Welnix have came out and demanded 5k membership? Fkn LOL that's just saying in public there is no next season. Then they demand 10k every game? plausible but not likely. My comments are negative for a negative situation, Welnix's need to comment on Phoenix's future instead of dragging it out like the sympathy card going around. well, even if you're generally the most negative "fan" I have ever known the club needs all positivity and support from its fans - you included. Try be part of the solution.
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bohemia wrote:Can New Zealand wake up to the fact that $1 million was a big aount of money about 50 years ago?
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Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?.
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nomates wrote:Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?. Nothing racist imo. If anything the more kicks up the arse the better. -PB
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nomates wrote:Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?. Is "We are keeping the Team" the Official line from the club ? or just this weeks sales motto ?
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nomates wrote:Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?. Its stupid, we only have our selves to blame. Without the bad Aussies we wouldn't exist anyway, savethenix of course but we should not act like a bunch of sooks.
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When's the Boards response coming ?
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Tard News wrote:NuxLover wrote:nomates wrote:Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?. Its stupid, we only have our selves to blame. Without the bad Aussies we wouldn't exist anyway, savethenix of course but we should not act like a bunch of sooks. Totally get the 'don't take ourselves too seriously angle', but trying to create some faux Aussie Kiwi rivalry over this, ain't going to cut it. Should have read "don't let the FFA take our belove Nix away", or words to that effect. Yep, pisses in the face of the Aussie supporters of various clubs that are supporting them through savethenix campaign.
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Gazzza wrote:Tard News wrote:NuxLover wrote:nomates wrote:Racist much>???? Or a slap in the face?. Its stupid, we only have our selves to blame. Without the bad Aussies we wouldn't exist anyway, savethenix of course but we should not act like a bunch of sooks. Totally get the 'don't take ourselves too seriously angle', but trying to create some faux Aussie Kiwi rivalry over this, ain't going to cut it. Should have read "don't let the FFA take our belove Nix away", or words to that effect. Yep, pisses in the face of the Aussie supporters of various clubs that are supporting them through savethenix campaign. Should read "don't let the Kiwis, AFC and Sky NZ destroy NZ's team parked in Wellington: :-"
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If it wasn't for the FFA/A-League we would have never of gotten to the 2010 World Cup. :-k
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I don't know anyone who thinks this is a good ad or well thought out. I would have rather the club didn't do this because it alienates all the support that we have gotten over the last week, not to mention over the last 9 years and sends the wrong message. Not to mention the fact that half our squad is Australian, our coach - while speaking with a thick scottish accent - is a naturalised Australian, and we play in the Australian league.
The only thing that can be mentioned in defence of this is the fact that its not aimed at us the fans who follow the teams closely, it's aimed at Joe Public who have never heard of Gallop or Lowy or the FFA so they descend into the old rivalries. They would say England and South Africa as well if they could.
So don't take offence Australia, this is directed at the FFA but catering to the lowest common denominator.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of that advert - it's not really tongue in cheek so much as insulting.
Unfortunately as said above they decided to cater to 'Joe Public' who will think 'hurr durr stuff dose Aussies hurr durr'
Note this down as the first time I've ever agreed with Tard News. It's a momentous occasion.
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