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2 guys with Greek Heritage dont mean nothing
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thupercoach
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SOFC wrote:2 guys with Greek Heritage dont mean nothing As a matter of fact, 2 guys with Greek Heritage do mean nothing
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Blackmissionary wrote:kapow! wrote:The VFL, SANFL and WAFL all have salary caps they're second tier and semi-pro. Maybe the oval shape of the ball makes it easier to police? Maybe only 8/9 clubs to deal with instead of 100s makes it easier. That, and the fact that the majority of players in the VFL seniors are already being paid by AFL clubs, and the fact that in these aussie rules comps there's next to no player movement during the season. I'm not against a salary cap - I just don't think that the people who'd be put in charge of policing it are capable of doing so, and I doubt that the FFA has the resources to help every single state league with semi-pro leagues to do so. How do you expect the FFV to manage a salary cap when they can't even run a simple cup competition properly by not allocating specific match days for it and even screwing up the draw at least twice? The bold is a fair point, i'm not sure of the situation in NSW, but you could reasonably do it for the first division. I'm not sure it's a huge priority to be honest, the states need to be given more of a purpose rather than doing their own thing.
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keepersball
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RE To NSWPYL Costs:
Sutherland: $1200
Apia, Olympic: $2500+
Look there is constant and constant sh*t about youth money going to pay for the seniors. I mean 3000 (we'll speculate) per player, there are 16 players in a team, 5 youth age groups. 3000x16x5=$240000. That is alot of money for kits, coaching, ground hire etc. I've been in the system, and everyone knows its corrupt as FIFA. But what of it? It's become the norm forking out money to play youth league in NSW. Is it right? No. Will someone do something? No. Sutherland, who I am happy to call the best run club in PL, and most succesful, tried to and have minimised their costs down to 1200/year. But with Victorian PL clubs surviving on a heck load cheaper, even their good name comes into speculation.
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keepersball
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Minimalistix wrote:5 + Olympic = 6
So out of 48 state league Clubs, 6 are Greek.
There are 4 Italian clubs and 3 Croatian. So we have the most out of the ethnic sides.
Greeks couldn't give a shit about the other Greek sides. Wait what ? Olympic - Greek West Sydney Berries - Greek Apia - Italian Marconi - Italian United - Croatian Mind naming me these other club's ethnic backgrounds? :-k
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SOFC
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Sutherlands fees for 2012 have been confirmed at $2000 dont know were your getting your figures from dude
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keepersball wrote:Minimalistix wrote:5 + Olympic = 6
So out of 48 state league Clubs, 6 are Greek.
There are 4 Italian clubs and 3 Croatian. So we have the most out of the ethnic sides.
Greeks couldn't give a shit about the other Greek sides. Wait what ? Olympic - Greek West Sydney Berries - Greek Apia - Italian Marconi - Italian United - Croatian Mind naming me these other club's ethnic backgrounds? :-k Not really sure what you're wanting to know here?
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Minimalistix
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keepersball wrote:Minimalistix wrote:5 + Olympic = 6
So out of 48 state league Clubs, 6 are Greek.
There are 4 Italian clubs and 3 Croatian. So we have the most out of the ethnic sides.
Greeks couldn't give a shit about the other Greek sides. Wait what ? Olympic - Greek West Sydney Berries - Greek Apia - Italian Marconi - Italian United - Croatian Mind naming me these other club's ethnic backgrounds? :-k Sure, I'll go through the divisions: Premier League: Sydney Olympic - Greek Marconi - Italian APIA - Italian Sydney United - Croat Bonnyrigg White Eagles - Serb Rockdale Suns - Slav-Macedonian Bankstown City Lions - Slav-Macedonians Parramatta - Maltese Super league: West Sydney Berries - Greek St George - Hungarian Fraser Park - Portuguese Dulwich Hill - Portuguese Division 1: Fairfield City Lions - Turks Fairfield Bulls - Assyrians Gladesville-Ryde Magic - Greek Stanmore Hawks - Cypriot Greek Schofield Scorpions - Italian Inter Lions - Italian Hurstville Zagreb - Croat Division 2: Hakoah - Jews Roosters - Turks Luddenham - Bosnian Croats Fairfield Wanderers - Chileans Chopin Park Rams - Poles Hurstville Minotaurs - Cretan Greeks Belmore Hercules - Greek Gazy Lansvale - Muslim Bosnians
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GDeathe
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Ethnic clubs in NSW State comps
Premier League:
Sydney Olympic - Gypsies
Marconi - Italian
APIA - Italian
Sydney United - Croat
Bonnyrigg White Eagles - Serb
Rockdale Suns - Slav-Macedonian
Bankstown City Lions - Slav-Macedonians
Parramatta - Maltese
Super league:
West Sydney Berries - Greek
St George - Hungarian
Fraser Park - Portuguese
Dulwich Hill - Portuguese
Division 1:
Fairfield City Lions - Turks
Fairfield Bulls - Assyrians
Gladesville-Ryde Magic - Greek
Stanmore Hawks - Cypriot Greek
Schofield Scorpions - Italian
Inter Lions - Italian
Hurstville Zagreb - Croat
Division 2:
Hakoah - Jews
Roosters - Turks
Luddenham - Bosnian Croats
Fairfield Wanderers - Chileans
Chopin Park Rams - Poles
Hurstville Minotaurs - Cretan Greeks
Belmore Hercules - Greek
Gazy Lansvale - Muslim Bosnians
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Minimalistix
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No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies.
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Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies. No, Bankstown and Rockdale was created by Australians of Macedonian heritage, not 'Slav-Macedonian'.
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They are slavs
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Minimalistix
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aussietarfan wrote:Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies. No, Bankstown and Rockdale was created by Australians of Macedonian heritage, not 'Slav-Macedonian'. A Macedonian can be anyone who hails from the region. Half the region is outside of the country with the name. Nice try moron.
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When are the comps announced for 2012.
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thupercoach wrote:sav wrote:thupercoach wrote:skeptic wrote:Arthur wrote:skeptic wrote:
I've asked this previously and never received an answer from any direction, including those claiming 5k annual youth fees.
So, from those 'involved' in state league clubs in both NSWPL and VPL or a paying parent, how much is an average annual club/registration fee for youth league and/or Under age players? And please, no "Oh, I heard...."
Can't give you an average but I know the cheapest FFA/FFV registered clubs the lowest I know of is $220 at Monbulk Rangers, while Bulleen $800, South melbourne $700, Box Hill $550. Most seem to be in that $350 to $500 range. Most goes to the offer take home kits, training gear paid coaches, volunteer coaches etc. While Churches league is $150 per player Thanks Arfa. I'm somewhat familiar with nswpl and nnswsl club fees and where, why and what they service, so what are the claims re expensive playing fees of up to 5k based on? Sounds like more a NSW thing - what do they charge? the problem is as anyone who is involved in any clubs would know most of the fees that come go to football nsw. the clubs arnt left with that much, in a nswpl side or superleague they dont chard the players to sign up, which is where the revenue inbalance comes (you pay as a senior to play your district prem league or all age) so the incentive from football nsw is to make the youth league more expensive so they can pay for the seniors simple as that. alot of the seniors dont even get paid to be honest with some "stars" earning more than others but all up its f/all. they say you need 100k to 200k a year to run a team in the state league and where do clubs get this money from? thats why the go broke or struggle and alot of the way they survive is from passion from "ethnic" members or members of the community which spend countless hours running canteens, coaching for free, organising dinners to get revenue etc. in short these clubs pretty much survive on community support and very tight budgets (some teams get an annual amount from there main communiuty club (eg marconi club gives marconi soccer team x amount of dollars a year to help run it) so yes there is no money for salary caps etc, its all a waste. these clubs should just stick around doing what they do best, bringing up new talent, giving young guys a chance to play soccer into there senior years at a high level and maintain interest and thats it. now if they made a second tier that has been discussed before the only way to do it would be to prob sell the club to a private consortium and they could run it like amn a league club etc. as for abuse etc, the last game i went to for sydney FC made me sick, it was a AFC qualifier a couple o years back and the "cove" where singing
With a knick-knack, paddy whack,
Give a dog a bone,
Asian Bastards F#ck off home.havent been since Interesting comments re state league clubs. But I will take you up on the Cove comment - having spent a fair chunk of the previous 6 seasons in the Cove I can put my hand on my heart and honestly say that I have not heard a racist chant there yet - or indeed from any rival supporter group. And if one or two people started it, it would be quashed immediately by the Cove who are pretty massive in the anti-racist thing. (the closest thing I heard was "you only sing when you're whaling" to a Japanese club) Don't know how to put this Sav without hurting your feelings, but you're lying, this did not happen. Oh and I was at those games btw. Hey Supercoach, unfotrunately i am not lying it actually made me quite sick. it was quite a while ago i think the other team was wearing white. then they did the thing to bosnich when the guy came out they where all flashing little bags filled with white stuff. they killed the guys life that was playing for newcastle think his name was jardel? back when nikki carle played for them shouting obscenities, quite bad stuff. not sure how it is now but it was quite grim at one point. then they had that other group cant remember then name. anyways maybe you havent heard it but all im trying to say is that there are always rotten apples that ruin everything.
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Minimalistix wrote:aussietarfan wrote:Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies. No, Bankstown and Rockdale was created by Australians of Macedonian heritage, not 'Slav-Macedonian'. A Macedonian can be anyone who hails from the region. Half the region is outside of the country with the name. Nice try moron. Thank you for your insight. What you may find interesting as part of the difference between Rockdale and Bankstown is that a significant proportion of the people that formed Bankstown were either, or had parents, who are Macedonians who have migrated from northern Greece. I dont know why you needed to mention the nation state FYR Macedonia, I didnt seem to mention it in my above statement. Edited by aussietarfan: 7/10/2011 06:46:10 PM
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GDeathe
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Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies. Tell us how many home grounds have they had in their 50+ year history?
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Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies.  Edited by GDeathe: 7/10/2011 10:03:39 PM
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Minimalistix
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aussietarfan wrote:Minimalistix wrote:aussietarfan wrote:Minimalistix wrote:No, actually Sydney Olympic was created by Greek immigrants, not gypsies. No, Bankstown and Rockdale was created by Australians of Macedonian heritage, not 'Slav-Macedonian'. A Macedonian can be anyone who hails from the region. Half the region is outside of the country with the name. Nice try moron. Thank you for your insight. What you may find interesting as part of the difference between Rockdale and Bankstown is that a significant proportion of the people that formed Bankstown were either, or had parents, who are Macedonians who have migrated from northern Greece. I dont know why you needed to mention the nation state FYR Macedonia, I didnt seem to mention it in my above statement. Edited by aussietarfan: 7/10/2011 06:46:10 PM Exactly, they're still the Slavs from Macedonia, whether it be in FYROM or in Greece ](*,)
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fucking politics again......
its easy to spot 30 people hurling abuse when theres only 1000 people at the game.
people complain blah blah blah, youve got a whole f@cking stadium to sit in, why sit next these "foul mouthed ethnics"?
you spot 100 people yelling abuse at a a-league game, a little harder to point the finger dont you think????
its everywhere, in every code.... deal with it!!!!
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