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GDeathe
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Stabilo wrote:GDeathe wrote:Joffa wrote:We will have a Cup comp plus 5-6 games a week for about 27 weeks plus finals and ACL, we also have the advatage of being in all markets(by 2013) including the important western Sydney market and we will be a solid number 2 sport in all markets, which is something neither the AFL or NRL can boast...we'll be do better than last time plus digital value plus Socceroos on FTA as well. I think we will get about $400 - $450 million across five years in total. joffa,no one gives a rat arse about a cup comp Really? Did you conduct a survey on everyone's behalf did you? ](*,) yes i did
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Joffa
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GDeathe wrote:Stabilo wrote:GDeathe wrote:Joffa wrote:We will have a Cup comp plus 5-6 games a week for about 27 weeks plus finals and ACL, we also have the advatage of being in all markets(by 2013) including the important western Sydney market and we will be a solid number 2 sport in all markets, which is something neither the AFL or NRL can boast...we'll be do better than last time plus digital value plus Socceroos on FTA as well. I think we will get about $400 - $450 million across five years in total. joffa,no one gives a rat arse about a cup comp Really? Did you conduct a survey on everyone's behalf did you? ](*,) yes i did :lol: It may not be a huge money spinner or attract huge interest, especially in the early years, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a value to Pay TV.
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VedranFC
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Joffa wrote:GDeathe wrote:Stabilo wrote:GDeathe wrote:Joffa wrote:We will have a Cup comp plus 5-6 games a week for about 27 weeks plus finals and ACL, we also have the advatage of being in all markets(by 2013) including the important western Sydney market and we will be a solid number 2 sport in all markets, which is something neither the AFL or NRL can boast...we'll be do better than last time plus digital value plus Socceroos on FTA as well. I think we will get about $400 - $450 million across five years in total. joffa,no one gives a rat arse about a cup comp Really? Did you conduct a survey on everyone's behalf did you? ](*,) yes i did :lol: It may not be a huge money spinner or attract huge interest, especially in the early years, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a value to Pay TV. Is this guy fucking serious? I would LOVE to see Sydney FC or Newcastle or even the Tards taking on random club like Bathurst or Coffs Harbour or Morwell in a meaningful way! It would be amazing. Imagine all the small little towns like Bathurst, Lithgow, Coffs Harbour, Bendigo etc building up to their biggest sporting moments ever (Bathurst 1000 excluded :P) Just like how in the FA Cup, the sides like Shrewbury and Accrington get to take on Man U and Arsenal!
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asanchez
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$300m was the figure that I came up with, and I believe we can get somewhere around that number. Fox picked up the bargain of the century with the last deal at $17m per year for 7 years for 100% exclusive rights. For all the doom and gloom in the last 3 years, the A-league has more than paid for it's way. $17m a year for a whole sports competition every year is peanuts. The sport has been massively undervalued for 7 years. This season will break all records with TV viewers, and attendance tipped be over the 2 million mark for this season, another record. The NRL gets 4-5 million spectators per year, and they're tipped to get a $1b TV rights deal. On the other hand, it's not all about numbers. Foxtel needs a domestic, competitive competition apart from cricket to run over summer. Otherwise they risk people tuning off, and reconnecting again in time for the winter codes. So it's in Foxtel's best interests to keep the A-league alive and thriving. Football has the most potential out of all the codes, as it's coming off a low base, but does have the numbers to do well if they can get the league right. Also any future competition between other channels for the rights, will drive up their value. There has been murmurs lately that channel 10, Setanta or ESPN could possibly bid for the rights. Also as we play the world's game, our international TV rights will be worth more and more. This is my opinion as to why I think we can get $300m or more. It's neither right nor wrong, it's just my opinion. Your thoughts....
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VedranFC
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We've managed to create so much with what little we've had over the last half-decade.
Now just imagine the acceleration if each club was getting $2m more a season to spend on players, marketing, advertising and improving the club... Jizz.
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skeptic
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asanchez wrote:
This season will break all records with TV viewers, and attendance tipped be over the 2 million mark for this season, another record.
The NRL gets 4-5 million spectators per year, and they're tipped to get a $1b TV rights deal.
Not sure what the attendance has to do with a tv deal. If that was the case, the nrl wouldn't get near half the afl deal. BTW, the nrl rates about 500% higher than the aleague on fox, has appreciably improved it's fox ratings each year, being the highest viewed by a country mile it earns around 85% of the top 100 rating paytv telecasts each year and for many years has been a high rater in prime time on a primary fta network. It's chalk and cheese.
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VedranFC
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Why the fuck do people in this country, want to watch racist, sexist idiots like Todd Carney and the Johns hit people and finger each others' ass-holes instead of a tense league with top international talent from Costa Rica, Germany, Brazil, Holland and Africa? It's just beyond belief people are that near sighted and want to live in a closed little box. Hmmm, Penriff Panfers < Sydney FC to Europe.
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FFA rejected 42m a year in 2009. Instead we've taken 25m less for the following 4 years on the current deal.
So FFA must be hoping for 70m a year or more, which seems a lot more than anyone here has mentioned. Though nobody thought AFL and NRL would get easily over 1B each.
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RobA
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Stabilo wrote:GDeathe wrote:Joffa wrote:We will have a Cup comp plus 5-6 games a week for about 27 weeks plus finals and ACL, we also have the advatage of being in all markets(by 2013) including the important western Sydney market and we will be a solid number 2 sport in all markets, which is something neither the AFL or NRL can boast...we'll be do better than last time plus digital value plus Socceroos on FTA as well. I think we will get about $400 - $450 million across five years in total. joffa,no one gives a rat arse about a cup comp Really? Did you conduct a survey on everyone's behalf did you? ](*,) those who think the cup will be a popular and successful move are going to be very disappointed.
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skeptic
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4wanderer4 wrote:Why the fuck do people in this country, want to watch racist, sexist idiots like Todd Carney and the Johns hit people and finger each others' ass-holes instead of a tense league with top international talent from Costa Rica, Germany, Brazil, Holland and Africa? It's just beyond belief people are that near sighted and want to live in a closed little box. Hmmm, Penriff Panfers < Sydney FC to Europe. Of course, the next time some boxhead says denigrating things about football in Australia and tars all with same brush, you won't have the audacity to decry how insular, unintelligent and myopic they are, will you?
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paulc
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4wanderer4 wrote:Joffa wrote:skeptic wrote:Joffa wrote:We will have a Cup comp plus 5-6 games a week for about 27 weeks plus finals and ACL, we also have the advatage of being in all markets(by 2013) including the important western Sydney market and we will be a solid number 2 sport in all markets, which is something neither the AFL or NRL can boast...we'll be do better than last time plus digital value plus Socceroos on FTA as well. I think we will get about $400 - $450 million across five years in total. Not an advantage over the others being in all markets, joffa, if on the same broadcaster your still dwarfed by the others that aren't. At the moment the fta interest in the socceroos is an unknown. They had better get their fingers out re viewer interest to spike fta interest in the product. 450 mill over 5 years is a 530% increase over the existing contract, btw. One hell of an expectation. The afl's increase is about 75%. I agree I am being a trifle optimistic, but $120 mill across 7 years was way under valued and Fox have already offered and had knocked back a significant increase. I agree with Joffa, anything over $200m for 5 years imo is good, over $250m is great, $300m+ and I will chop off my left nut. If we get $300 + I will chop off both my nuts and play marbles with them! I think anything over $250K will allow clubs to go in the black and keep the comp healthy for years to come.
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Benjamin
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paulc wrote:Benjamin wrote:paulc wrote:skeptic wrote:paulc wrote:asanchez wrote:I think Foxtel will offer around $300 million for 5 years next time for 100% exclusivity. How much does FFA get now $180 mill? At $300 mill = $24 mill a year over current. More than enough to place all clubs in the black and a little something for FFA to keep. Hope you're right. $120 mill over 7 years. 17mill. per year. Cheers for the correct figure. So if they achieve $300 million over 5 years it's an extra $43 mill per year. This will set up the A-League for a generation and will become a genuine threat to other codes. Too good to be true if it eventautes. IF it eventuates... It's a number that Sanchez has picked out of the air - like you, I hope he's correct, but I see no evidence that it will happen. Also worth noting that whatever the increase is, 50% of it will go to the FFA for non-A-League work (from the various national teams right down to grass roots coaching). So, even if it was the $300m, it would actually represent (at most) an extra $21.5m to the A-league. Personally, I expect an improved deal - but not the bonanza required to set everything right... Perhaps $150m over 5 years, which equals an extra $13m per season = approx $6.5m more to the A-League each year. I picked no figure out of the air, I picked Sanchez's.Whilst $300 mill may appear high, I would equally suggest that your figure of $150 mill appears low: particularly if we continue the way have with the A-League this season. Apologies, runaway comma in the wrong place. What I was saying was that it was a number Sanchez had picked out of thin air (or possibly had taken from a dodgy article on another website), and that "like you I hope he's correct" The lower valuation is probably low, but I'd rather estimate low and get a better offer, than expect big and get a bad one.
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So what is the pass mark for Buckley. His claim to fame is his media negotiation. We currently have a $120M 7 year exclusive HAL/Socceroo deal. It would seem that some Socceroo games must be first choice FTA in the future
So what are Buckley's KPIs
I would say
a) a game of the week on FTA (not a home game).
b) a highlights package on FTA
c) a HAL component of the FOX deal that covers the salary cap of existing clubs.
d) agreement that increased teams/games will lead to commensurate increased in revenue.
e) a separate FOX socceroos component to allow premium coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup plus Socceroo friendlies.
f) FTA component to give coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup, optional Socceroo friendlies.
g) an internet component
I suspect that he will not deliver on all of these - but these are the targets I would be setting him. The FFA must be clear on what it wants out of the deal - money or exposure, and ensure that the right balance is obtained.
Edited by patjennings: 27/10/2011 05:11:49 PM
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tomw
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paulc wrote:If we get $300 + I will chop off both my nuts and play marbles with them!
I think anything over $250K will allow clubs to go in the black and keep the comp healthy for years to come. Wow that was an inopportune time to miss out an m!
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VedranFC
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tomw wrote:paulc wrote:If we get $300 + I will chop off both my nuts and play marbles with them!
I think anything over $250K will allow clubs to go in the black and keep the comp healthy for years to come. Wow that was an inopportune time to miss out an m! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD HAHAHAHAA!
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skeptic
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patjennings wrote:So what is the pass mark for Buckley. His claim to fame is his media negotiation. We currently have a $120M 7 year exclusive HAL/Socceroo deal. It would seem that some Socceroo games must be first choice FTA in the future
So what are Buckley's KPIs
I would say
a) a game of the week on FTA (not a home game).
b) a highlights package on FTA
c) a HAL component of the FOX deal that covers the salary cap of existing clubs.
d) agreement that increased teams/games will lead to commensurate increased in revenue.
e) a separate FOX socceroos component to allow premium coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup plus Socceroo friendlies.
f) FTA component to give coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup, optional Socceroo friendlies.
g) an internet component
I suspect that he will not deliver on all of these - but these are the targets I would be setting him. The FFA must be clear on what it wants out of the deal - money or exposure, and ensure that the right balance is obtained.
Edited by patjennings: 27/10/2011 05:11:49 PM Not sure what you mean re the bolded comments. The ffa don't control or gain benefit from those.
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Benjamin
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patjennings wrote:So what is the pass mark for Buckley. His claim to fame is his media negotiation. We currently have a $120M 7 year exclusive HAL/Socceroo deal. It would seem that some Socceroo games must be first choice FTA in the future
So what are Buckley's KPIs
I would say
a) a game of the week on FTA (not a home game).
b) a highlights package on FTA
c) a HAL component of the FOX deal that covers the salary cap of existing clubs.
d) agreement that increased teams/games will lead to commensurate increased in revenue.
e) a separate FOX socceroos component to allow premium coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup plus Socceroo friendlies.
f) FTA component to give coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup, optional Socceroo friendlies.
g) an internet component
I suspect that he will not deliver on all of these - but these are the targets I would be setting him. The FFA must be clear on what it wants out of the deal - money or exposure, and ensure that the right balance is obtained. All of the above would be ideal, but for me the only essentials are (c) and (d).
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skeptic wrote:patjennings wrote:So what is the pass mark for Buckley. His claim to fame is his media negotiation. We currently have a $120M 7 year exclusive HAL/Socceroo deal. It would seem that some Socceroo games must be first choice FTA in the future
So what are Buckley's KPIs
I would say
a) a game of the week on FTA (not a home game).
b) a highlights package on FTA
c) a HAL component of the FOX deal that covers the salary cap of existing clubs.
d) agreement that increased teams/games will lead to commensurate increased in revenue.
e) a separate FOX socceroos component to allow premium coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup plus Socceroo friendlies.
f) FTA component to give coverage of WCQ, 2014 World Cup, 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup, optional Socceroo friendlies.
g) an internet component
I suspect that he will not deliver on all of these - but these are the targets I would be setting him. The FFA must be clear on what it wants out of the deal - money or exposure, and ensure that the right balance is obtained.
Edited by patjennings: 27/10/2011 05:11:49 PM Not sure what you mean re the bolded comments. The ffa don't control or gain benefit from those. You're right - and it seems that SBS already has an exclusive deal for both World Cups. The important thing though is that we get more FTA coverage of the Socceroos - especially for the 2015 Asian Cup at home.
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Top 10 STV Sport Broadcasts Week 44: 23 - 29 October 2011
1 LIVE: RWC: FINAL, NZ V FRA FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 18:55 - 648
2 LIVE: RWC CENTRE FOX SPORTS 3 Sun 21:00 - 241
3 LIVE: FOOTBALL: EPL MAN UNITED V MAN CITY FOX SPORTS 1 Sun 23:23 - 90
4 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE FOX SPORTS 1 Fri 20:00 - 82
5 LIVE: FOOTBALL: EPL CHELSEA V ARSENAL FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 22:00 - 79
6 LIVE: FOOTBALL: EPL EVERTON V MAN UNITED FOX SPORTS 3 Sat 22:00 - 73
7 LIVE: FOOTBALL: A‐LEAGUE MELB H V SYD FC FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 20:00 - 69
8 LIVE: FOOTBALL: EPL MAN CITY V WOLVES FOX SPORTS 1 Sat 00:53 - 69
9 LIVE: CRICKET: NATIONAL ONE DAY CUP FOX SPORTS 2 Sun 17:58 - 64
10 LIVE: CRICKET: ODI RSA V AUS GAME 2 FOX SPORTS 2 Sun 22:02 - 62
#4 was BR V AU
Not in the top 10 (below 62k) Top 50 STV ratings not available at present.
Sat - CCM V PTH, last Sun. - NUJ V CCM & PTH V WP
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Looks like Friday night HAL is consistently getting decent ratings - BRN v ADU out-rating Everton v Man Utd and Chelsea v Arsenal (both EPL matches started immediately after the HAL match on Saturday ended). And, HAL matches are out-rating the Australian Cricket team. It's been reported the penetration rate of Foxtel in Aussie home is around 33%, so it's not unreasonable to multiply the Foxtel ratings by 3 to get a FTA Tv rating.
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Now the RWC is over ,what are the chances MV vs Roar will be number one next week?
MV the last team to beat Roar.It should be a marketers dream.
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Hmmm, be interesting to know what the rating was last night! hopefully we hit the magical 150k pushing forward. Grand final last year was only 200k so I would hope to get near that!
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To have the highest ranking sport in the AFL, NRL off season would be quite something to take to FOX in terms of the deal. Yayayayayay.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Hmmm, be interesting to know what the rating was last night! hopefully we hit the magical 150k pushing forward. Grand final last year was only 200k so I would hope to get near that! That might be abit optomistic. I would think around the 100K mark, but not much more, but I hope I am wrong :)
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Figjam_3326
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4wanderer4 wrote:Hmmm, be interesting to know what the rating was last night! hopefully we hit the magical 150k pushing forward. Grand final last year was only 200k so I would hope to get near that! Great prediction. Just received this Tweet: ... Pay TV audience for @gomvfc v @brisbaneroar was an impressive 155k. A record for a regular season game #aleagueLooks like we're getting there. And, continuing excellent crowd figures for NUJ.
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crimsoncrusoe
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So that would make it number one sports event on pay tv last week?
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this is the best news i have ever heard about football in australia. the paytv deal is the single most important part and means that fox will still pay good cash for the HAL (domestic) only rights when they are split.
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Yes, A-League Melb Vic vs Bris number one.A-League 5 out of top 10.Cricket one day was number 2.A-League 1,3,5 ,6 and 10.
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Figjam_3326
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crimsoncrusoe wrote:So that would make it number one sports event on pay tv last week? I haven't seen the source data, but someone reported it was the #1 show on Foxtel - not sure if this means of all Foxtel programmes or only the sports programmes.
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