Sorry if i missed this earlier but who has the tv deal for the Asian Champs and what sort of return are the FFA expecting?

Hasnt been determined, but Im not sure if the FFA get anything. Id imagine the AFC would get the broadcast tv revenue.

Tonight is going be a very interesting TV battle amongst the four football codes on FOXTEL. Will be interesting to see how they all rate.

At 5.30 pm we have :

A-league - Melb Heart v Wellington

NRL - Gold Coast Titans v Canberra Raiders

Super Rugby - Highlanders v NSW Waratahs

AFL Nab Cup - Melbourne v Hawthorn


At 7.30pm we have :

A-league - Sydney v Melb Victory

NRL - Canterbury v St George


At 8pm we have :

Super Rugby - Qld Reds v Melbourne Rebels

AFL Nab Cup - West Coast v St kilda.




Edited by Sirocco: 10/3/2012 11:16:32 AM

Remember, the last $500 mill deal was paytv + fta + sundry communications and + 'in kind'. (media advertising) I can't find the for split for each.

If you manage to find mid 2000's ratings, they were five city metro ratings then, without regional areas included. They're now all inclusive. A loose figure is to add about an additional 1/3rd for all regional areas to get an idea of comparisons with all inclusive.

The Asian Cup broadcast rights are the property of the AFC. Host nations don't benefit. Just like the WC and FIFA.

Busy evening and night. I'll want to be watching those bolded, so i'd be doing quite a bit of channel flicking and avoiding the ire of the wife.

asanchez
the NRL will get $500 mill from Fox for 5 games this time round - that's what I mean by teh $500 mill, they'll get that because they are getting regular 300k audiences for NRL games.

If the A-League gets regular 60k audiences, they can expect $100 mill from Fox for five years, and that includes socceroo games, because the NRL have a lot more content than the FFA.

And therefore a balance of $800m (the majority of which from FTA for 3 games, bringing the total to $1.3B+)?

It is widely agreed that of the current deal, the Socceroos are valued at around 70% of the tv rights package & subsidise the A-League.
According to your post above, you are stating they would be 10% of the new package value.
Can you explain how the portion would drop from 70% to 10%?

Edited by ozboy: 10/3/2012 02:14:20 PM

Here are the tv ratings from [size=8]PRIME TIME[/size] WCQ2010 [size=8]SECOND [/size]ROUND

World Cup Qualifier – Australia v Uzbekistan 2009: 431,000
World Cup Qualifier – Australia v Japan 2009: 378,000
World Cup Qualifier – Australia v Qatar 2009: 345,000


Backs up what I said several times on here
How much have tv subscriptions increased in 3 years?

Edited by ozboy: 10/3/2012 02:23:19 PM

@ skeptic

FTA TV is dying - it's currently the platform to view low-budget productions (reality Tv, local soaps, chat & current affairs), or reruns of comedies & drama are 20-40 years old.

The competitive tension for broadcasting HAL (and all other sports) will not come from FTA TV. It will come from various providers of subscription-based services.

And, pay-per view sport is already with us.

Right now, you can watch any UEFA match live for a couple of bucks per game.

Also, right now, a variation of pay-per view is being used by FoxSports via their EPL On Demand product offering.

Unlike Foxtel's TV offerings, "EPL on demand" allows me the flexibility to watch selected matches LIVE where ever I am - not just in the living room of my home.

(I'm pretty sure I heard someone mention on radio that you can watch all NFL games live via pay-per view directly streamed from the NFL's website).

The NBN will transform the way we access entertainment - TV, movies, music.

There is strong speculation that even FTA TV will be broadcast via the internet, rather than conventional transmission methods.

Only last month, business journalist, Alan Kohler, made this observation:

"In fact, all free-to-air TV will probably end up being streamed on the NBN instead of using spectrum-hungry terrestrial broadcasting, which is needed for streaming video to mobile phones and tablets."

It's a new world out there, so access to HAL matches will certainly not be confined to Foxtel from 2013.

Edited by Joe Davola: 10/3/2012 02:42:05 PM

You're kidding right?

I think I'll add that prediction to this list of Things People Said: Bad Predictions

Technology is advancing at an exponential rate. 10 years ago, we were still buying CDs to listen to music, VHS videos were the only way to watch movies in your home and i-pads were medical accessories worn after cataract surgery.

I reckon in 10 years time we won't even be watching entertainment on conventional TV screens - more likely it will be a 3-d hologram projected anywhere you want.

People want flexibility to watch sport LIVE where ever they are - whilst having a picnic in the park, or prior to a dinner party at their friend's house; at their holiday house, when I'm sitting in the spa or by the pool, etc etc.

Broadcasts via the internet give us this flexibility; conventional TV - like conventional newspapers - is almost dead.

I'll my left testicle to one of your identities that the next ffa deal, which is presently being negotiated, will contain approximately the same components and mediums, including a similar percentage of 'non television' component, as both the recent afl and the upcoming nrl broadcast deals, minus fta, and gain the vast majority of the income from Foxsports.

Wow - that sounds like a rational thing for an adult male to suggest. But, each to their own - there are lots of people who seem to derive pleasure from such S&M activities.

Gee, it was only a matter of time before the sulks began.

It's a common term and you're well aware of of the 'bet' that i failed to include.

So, if you want to sulk like a spoiled child because of something or other in my answer you didn't like, don't lower yourself to the level of the two headed imbecile you have a habit of being. Just throw yourself on the ground in a lonely corner of the room and have a tantrum.

I need a kick in the arse for again giving a moment of my time to a poor excuse for man, so damn insecure and dishonest, he tried to deceive people with a different identity after making such a right royal arsehole of himself he pissed off with the tail between his legs and a pout on his face. And still refuses to admit to such and has the audacity to regularly criticise the intelligence, attitude and motives of others.

Oz - Off topic I know - but thought you might like to add Mitch Nichols to your sig. I mean he has scored as many goals as Carlos (and none of them were penalties), has had three times as many assists and even finds time to make the odd legitimate tackle. Probably costs a tad less also.

Stick 'im in the national team...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Excellent idea! However I think Holger wants to play seven central defenders next time .. so probably no room.

And, surprise surprise ... further validation that TV is slowly dying.

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March 9 - The internet has surpassed television as the primary platform for 18 to 35 year-old sports fans to watch their favourite sport according to new research conducted for the Global Sports Forum Barcelona.

Announced here, the Forum's research findings show that 36.1 per cent of this demographic across Europe sign-in online to watch their favourite sport or team play on a weekly basis, compared with just 32.1 per cent doing so on television.

It represents a significant shift in the way young people watch sport, after research carried out last year showed that television was still the leader for sports video content for this age group.

The research was conducted by brand engagement agency Havas Sport & Entertainment, who organise the Global Sports Forum Barcelona.

Lucien Boyer, the President and chief executive of Havas Sport & Entertainment, says the results of the survey mean that advertisers, content providers, broadcasters, rights holders and athletes will all be affected by the changing ways sport is watched.

"These findings, indicating that web consumption of sport content amongst the youth audience has surpassed TV for the first time, represent an important evolution in consumer behaviour," said Boyer.

"The implications of this are huge and suggest the broadcast sales model for sport needs to be carefully considered in the future.

"Whilst TV will clearly continue to remain of enormous importance, the younger generation choose to consume sport in a number of ways so the key now is to be a content provider that can satisfy the demands of sports fans across all platforms."

Didn't I hear they're going to try and incorperate web streaming into the next TV rights deal through Optus? if they can get that going it will be more helpful to the growth of the game than TV.

Completely off topic, but just for the record...



...DVD players were already common in homes back in 2002.

If you went into Blockbuster or any store in 2002, the shelves were filled with VHS recordings of the latest films. There may have been one shelf for DVDs.

But, yes, it is completely off topic and you're missing the point - if you can't see the big picture that I'm referring to, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

You must have been going to a very primitive blockbuster. I know because I bought my first DVD player in '02 and I was pretty late to take up the technology...

In fact, 2002 marked the year that DVD sales overtook VHS sales (the media, not the players)
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=427


But as I said, it's completely off topic.

Doubt it, Optus has explained their position in the past regarding media, they do not want to be a media content holder, they want to offer services to media by bundling these services with broadband & mobile access. Look at Fetch TV,Optus offer the access and bundling, but don't play any part in the actual service.

You also need to look at the fact Foxtel will go one of either two ways, they'll lock up all content for the HAL, so they will want the IPTV & mobile rights and they will then on sell them, similar to what they did with the international rights sale to WSG last time round. The second option would be for the FFA to sell the rights separately in which case the exclusive nature of the rights would be broken as far as fox would see it and they would lower their bid accordingly.

I'm tipping that Foxtel will retain the exclusive rights, their will be no FTA component, the exclusive mobile access rights will go to Telstra and Optus will no longer be associated with the HAL, opening up the sponsorship for teleco companies for the HAL clubs, Optus will however retain the association with the Socceroos. Any IPTV rights will be signed over along with the general rights to fox, potentially allowing fox to provide legal streams for existing customers to view.

They won't get 5 games they will get them all, just some will be simulcast with nine, to fox that still has a value, people wont switch off fox meaning in the half time break they can run their own ads & it has the potential to keep them on fox sports as it cascades from one live broadcast to another, that will again be a value add to existing customers. Add in the fact that foxtel will probably pay PMG more because of the increased viewership that Foxsports will bring in.

Doubt they will sell the rights that low, $100m is marginally greater then the current value. If you are saying that they will sell the aus broadcast rights to foxtel, then you may be closer to the lower figure once you add on the $40m for international rights (taken from the last deal essentially $80m fox, $40m WSG = $120m), so that would bring the total up to $140m over 5 years, a term I think would be suitable as that would bring our TV rights into line with a world cup year.

That would mean an increase from $17m a year currently to $28m, at the low end, I think they will be aiming for $35m a year as the low point should it be exclusive to fox. With the $28 a decent guess with simulcast FTA access through ONE.

Here are the ratings from the Saturday Night football feast.


A-league - Melb Heart v Wellington = <56,000

NRL - Gold Coast Titans v Canberra Raiders = 198,000

Super Rugby - Highlanders v NSW Waratahs = 103,000

AFL Nab Cup - Melbourne v Hawthorn = 166,000




A-league - Sydney v Melb Victory = < 56,000

NRL - Canterbury v St George = 270,000

Super Rugby - Qld Reds v Melbourne Rebels = 136,000

AFL Nab Cup - West Coast v St kilda. = 159,000


Would be interesting to see what the A-league games ratings were as it was beaten by episodes of tv programming and both games didnt make the top twenty.

Weekly Ratings :

Newcastle v Gold Coast = <43,000

Melb Heart v Wellington = <56,000

Sydney FC v Melbourne Victory = <56,000

Brisbane v Adelaide = <50,000

Perth v CCM = <50,000


No game made top 20 broadcast on friday saturday or sunday night. They've pretty much fallen off a cliff this week.



Edited by Sirocco: 12/3/2012 10:15:18 AM

lol this is disgusting

TBH i havent been watching any sports recently

1. Optus is one of the FFA's "Official Partners". There is no way that Optus will allow TLS to get sole access rights to the FFA's flagship domestic competition.

In fact, there's a bigger chance that TLS will be the only ISP excluded from the HAL rights (TLS is in partnership with the AFL) than given exclusive AFL rights.

Rather, from a business viewpoint, it makes more sense for the FFA to sell it's online LIVE broadcasts direct to the customers and have Optus - as the FFA's official partner - plan, build, operate & maintain the infrastructure of the FFA's online broadcasting platform.

Already Optus has planned, built, operates & maintains the infrastructure of the FFA and every HAL clubs websites. And, the FFA has been proactive in turning the FFA Website into a hub with HAL-specific news & content, provided by HAL insiders, published daily.

With this system every Australian with Internet access will be able to access HAL games for a fee (most likely $2-3 per game, which is 30-50% the cost of accessing HAL games via Foxtel). This system does not require the customer to have a particular ISP. They retain their existing ISP and buy content from the FFA on a platform managed by Optus.

2. Foxtel retain its exclusive HAL TV licence and also be given the option to broadcast games via the internet to existing Foxtel subscription customers.

3. SBS may be given 1 game per week LIVE broadcast and, depending ton the anti-siphon amendments, some or all NT matches


Edited by Joe Davola: 12/3/2012 10:51:55 AM

Well we are now seeing the results of starting the season later and finishing later.The question will be whether anything has been gained this move by FFA.I wonder if all those people who follow more than one football code have been swept up in the season start of the Rugby codes.I presume figures will get worse once AFL starts.
Furthermore the lack of advertising by FFA in this busy startup time for other codes really impacts on the A-League.
Was the FFA decision to start the season late a good one?