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slee45 wrote:
Agree with above statements. Also, In my opinion kids with flair, natural ability and killer instinct has been stifled over the years. They are taught to play a certain way only and not encouraged to think outside the box. Eventually they conform to the robotic way of play and is less motivated to play more creatively.


Do you think this is still the case or is it different under the new Dutch influence?


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Arosina wrote:
the.football.God wrote:
Technical points ladder after round 6 for those interested

ACTAS 19.5
[size=7]QAS 19[/size]
WA 19
NNSWIS 18.5
VIC 17.5
NSWIS 16.5
SASI 16
NT 15.5
TAS 13


Lonton's excellent work paying off. =d>


No doubt.

His qualities are sometimes clearly understated.

Edited by judy free: 8/12/2011 11:19:55 PM
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Arosina wrote:
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Dean May will be pleased with the result.


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I'm gobsmacked!!!:o

I'm also surprised NNSW haven't won more subsequent games after an impressive start.


I thought results don't matter?



Only if it suits his agenda.
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Decentric wrote:
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Morning results

Nnsw 1 WA 1
Tas.1       Ql 1
Nsw 3.  NT 0
Act0   Sa 2

Edited by spathi: 8/12/2011 02:30:02 PM




Surprised Tassie drew with Queensland.

Tassie's best result of the tournament.


Tassie were at least as good in beating SA - warming up to the task? The WA versus NNSW game was a cracker and NNSW really stepped up to the plate (unlucky to draw) against a very good WA team. SA was good value for its win and clearly took the points against a decent Canberra midfield - I'm quite surprised at SA's relatively low technical points ranking taking into account its strong team performances. NSW and VIC continue to grind out results - slightly more efficient in front of goal perhaps?

Very happy with the tournament play overall - certainly allowing players to showcase their talents. As Slee45 said, however, it would be nice to see more "combination football" with quick passing between the midfield and attackers going forward.




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Judy Free wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Dean May will be pleased with the result.


Decentric wrote:
I'm gobsmacked!!!:o

I'm also surprised NNSW haven't won more subsequent games after an impressive start.


I thought results don't matter?



Only if it suits his agenda.


I don't think we should count results here, I mean FFS Decentric's mob beat SASI!!! :oops:


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Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?


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Han Berger wrote:
This tournament is not only about results but about the way teams play the game


Han Berger wrote:
At this stage of development under the National Curriculum it is more important that players and teams get the right balance between results and going about it in the ‘right way’.


From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.


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Han Berger wrote:
The balance wasn’t there a couple of years ago but we have seen a progression in standard and the whole technical staff watching the tournament has been very pleased to see this development.”


Obviously with Queensland almost leading the bonus points table, Han Berger and his cohorts must be delighted with Lonton's work in recent years.

I think a certain poster owes poor old Mr.Lonton a whole-hearted and barnacle free apology for the years of unjust and venomous abuse he's been subject to.

If you place any value in honesty, manners, and respect you'll do the honourable thing!


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Arosina wrote:
Han Berger wrote:
This tournament is not only about results but about the way teams play the game


Han Berger wrote:
At this stage of development under the National Curriculum it is more important that players and teams get the right balance between results and going about it in the ‘right way’.


From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.



Not really.

There is an emphasis on style being paramount.

Edited by Decentric: 9/12/2011 12:07:17 AM
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Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?



Care to pontificate on what happened in the past?

Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.

What world renowned methodology was utilised in Australia i those old days?

If you say eclectic, what were we particularly good at?
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Decentric wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?



Care to pontificate on what happened in the past?

Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.

What world renowned methodology was utilised in Australia i those old days?

If you say eclectic, what were we particularly good at?


Huh?

I'm saying what is the point of a match between the winners of the group and the winners of (shall we say) style?

Not a big issue but it doesn't make sense to me.

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Arosina wrote:
the.football.God wrote:
Technical points ladder after round 6 for those interested

ACTAS 19.5
[size=7]QAS 19[/size]
WA 19
NNSWIS 18.5
VIC 17.5
NSWIS 16.5
SASI 16
NT 15.5
TAS 13


Lonton's excellent work paying off. =d>

more like peter de roos excellent work paying off.
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Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?



Care to pontificate on what happened in the past?

Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.

What world renowned methodology was utilised in Australia i those old days?

If you say eclectic, what were we particularly good at?


Huh?

I'm saying what is the point of a match between the winners of the group and the winners of (shall we say) style?

Not a big issue but it doesn't make sense to me.

not sure it is too wise to take a strong stance when you are not actually there to see what is going on.:shock: :shock:
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Decentric wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Han Berger wrote:
This tournament is not only about results but about the way teams play the game


Han Berger wrote:
At this stage of development under the National Curriculum it is more important that players and teams get the right balance between results and going about it in the ‘right way’.


From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.



Not really.

There is an emphasis on style being paramount.

Edited by Decentric: 9/12/2011 12:07:17 AM


His words are quite clear.

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Decentric wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?



Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.


Wicked imagination there, sigmund.
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krones3 wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Decentric wrote:
On what criteria are technical points awarded?


"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?



Care to pontificate on what happened in the past?

Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.

What world renowned methodology was utilised in Australia i those old days?

If you say eclectic, what were we particularly good at?


Huh?

I'm saying what is the point of a match between the winners of the group and the winners of (shall we say) style?

Not a big issue but it doesn't make sense to me.

not sure it is too wise to take a strong stance when you are not actually there to see what is going on.:shock: :shock:


Umm krones ol buddy, the bits in quotes are not my words and as for the rest, I said it isn't a big issue.


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Arosina wrote:
Han Berger wrote:
This tournament is not only about results but about the way teams play the game


Han Berger wrote:
At this stage of development under the National Curriculum it is more important that players and teams get the right balance between results and going about it in the ‘right way’.


From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.



Results would definitely matter to BergerKing (an Archie Fraser gem) if our U17's and U20's actually won something.

Edited by judy free: 9/12/2011 12:36:29 AM
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Judy Free wrote:
Arosina wrote:
Han Berger wrote:
This tournament is not only about results but about the way teams play the game


Han Berger wrote:
At this stage of development under the National Curriculum it is more important that players and teams get the right balance between results and going about it in the ‘right way’.


From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.



Results would definitely matter to BergerKing (an Archie Fraser gem) if our U17's and U20's actually won something.

Edited by judy free: 9/12/2011 12:36:29 AM


Absolutely.

Archie would've been good value on TWGF.

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Hans statements are clear made to satisfy the cravings of those in football who want instant gratification.He was clearly targeting the part of the football community that is always insisting that with out results the whole thing is a waist of time.

To all those who have the capacity to understand that results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success, his comments are a clear statement that the program is continuing.

Strange hans should adopt this method as he will never appease the failed coaches of the NSL days, like petulant children they continue to cry no matter what he says.


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Thursday Morning Results

WA 1 v N.NSW 1
TAS 1 v QLD 1
NSWIS 3 v NT 0
SA 2 v ACT 0
VIC v Bye

Thursday Afternoon Results
VIC 2 v TAS 0
NT 1 v WA 3
QLD 0 v SA 0
ACT 0 v NSWIS 1
N.NSW v Bye

Friday Morning Results

N.NSW 4 NT 0
WA 3 ACT 1
SA VS VIC ??
NSW VS QLD ??

For Updated ladder and Bonus Points Table:
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Youth-takes-centre-stage-in-FFA-State-Institute-Challenge/43361


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Let me just correct the final scores of the final days play.

Nnsw 3 NT 0
WA 2 ACT 1
SA 1 Vic 2
Nsw 1 Q/land 0

So the final standings in the points table are:

NSW 18pts +7
WA 17 pts +7
Vic 16pts+7
SA 14 pts +7
NNSW 10 pts -1
ACT 9 pts -1
Qu 8 pts -3
Tas 5 pts -7
NT 3 pts -15

Outright winners NSWIS
NSWIS will this afternoon play the winners of the technical table.
The winner of this game will play the allstar team which will be announced tonight at at dinner held at the AIS.

My apologies to WA

Edited by spathi: 9/12/2011 04:53:17 PM
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spathi wrote:
Let me just correct the final scores of the final days play.

Nnsw 3 NT 0
WA 2 ACT 1
SA 1 Vic 2
Nsw 1 Q/land 0

So the final standings in the points table are:

NSW 18pts +7
Vic 16 pts +8
WA 16 pts +7
SA 14 pts +7
NNSW 10 pts -1
ACT 9 pts -1
Qu 8 pts -3
Tas 5 pts -7
NT 3 pts -15

Outright winners NSWIS
NSWIS will this afternoon play the winners of the technical table.
The winner of this game will play the allstar team which will be announced tonight at at dinner held at the AIS.


Thanks Spathi.
I think WA is second with 17 Points?
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krones3 wrote:
results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success


LOL, Berger will have slipped out the back door with a truck full of ripe Aussie mangoes by the time the clueless have detected a robbery.
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Judy Free wrote:
krones3 wrote:
results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success


LOL, Berger will have slipped out the back door with a truck full of ripe Aussie mangoes by the time the clueless have detected a robbery.

so you have been saying for many years.
how well did we do before the ffa took over? in the now defunct NSL
SSG where introduced in 2007 that means that the first set of players are now 10yrs old
we will see the full result in 2015 when they are 13.
in 2000 Australia's FIFA world ranking was?
and now 22

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:39:28 PM
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krones3 wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
krones3 wrote:
results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success


LOL, Berger will have slipped out the back door with a truck full of ripe Aussie mangoes by the time the clueless have detected a robbery.

so you have been saying for many years.
how well did we do before the ffa took over? in the now defunct NSL
SSG where introduced in 2007 that means that the first set of players are now 10yrs old
we will see the full result in 2015 when they are 13.
in 2000 Australia's FIFA world ranking was?
and now 22

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:39:28 PM


SSG's were intro'd in early 90's in the nations football capital, Sydney.

The first set of players have prolly since retired.


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Judy Free wrote:
krones3 wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
krones3 wrote:
results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success


LOL, Berger will have slipped out the back door with a truck full of ripe Aussie mangoes by the time the clueless have detected a robbery.

so you have been saying for many years.
how well did we do before the ffa took over? in the now defunct NSL
SSG where introduced in 2007 that means that the first set of players are now 10yrs old
we will see the full result in 2015 when they are 13.
in 2000 Australia's FIFA world ranking was?
and now 22

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:39:28 PM


SSG's were intro'd in early 90's in the nations football capital, Sydney.

The first set of players have prolly since retired.


ssg were introduce nationally in 2008, sorry to telly you chips there are other places in Australia than the corrupt Sydney.](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:54:56 PM
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Judy Free wrote:

The first set of players have prolly since retired.


Probably left the game as they could see no future in the NSL.
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krones3 wrote:
sorry to telly you chips there are other places in Australia than the corrupt Sydney.](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


True, but still represents the largest body of registered junior/yoof players in straya by some margin. It's where the action is, krones.

And looking at the tables in Canberra I can see that theres been no change in results (pecking order) over the past 20 odd years. That is, Syd still dominates.

SSG's is not a new concept for the bulk of strayan players who have gone onto bigger and better things.
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Judy Free wrote:

That is, Syd still dominates.


wow do all the people in NSW know that that really only means sydney.
So much for state representation do the other cities in NSW feel that they are represented in the state.
It started a war once went something like (no taxation with out representation) another country but you never no could be onto something big here chips.[-x [-x [-x [-x
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Queensland beats NSW in the final between the competiton ladder leader and the technical ladder leader 4-1.
In what was a dominating display Queensland outplayed the NSWIS team all over the park.

Overall I think NSWIS were very lucky to get to where they did as they were by no means the best team there. In my honest opinion Queensland and WA played the best football all week.

Thanks for railroading another topic Judy Free, much appreciated by no one, cheers.
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