Draw for the State Institute Challenge to be held 5 Dec- 10 Dec 2011:
http://www.northernnswfootball.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/nth-nsw-football/News_Documents/2011_Institute_Challenge_Draw.pdf

Good luck to all the boys heading down!

Edited by slee45: 4/12/2011 01:03:15 AM

Should be an interesting week. Will try and post all results.

NORTHERN NSWIS VS NSWIS
3-1 win to Northern NSW.

Ok here are this mornings results.

VIS 2 def QIS 0
NNSWIS 3 def NSWIS 1
ACTAS 2 def TIS 0
SASI 6 NTIS 1
WA Bye

More games this afternoon.

Edited by spathi: 5/12/2011 06:04:09 PM

Edited by spathi: 5/12/2011 06:25:29 PM

Nsw 2.  WA 1
Act.0       Vic 1
SA. 1.      NNSWIS  0
Tas 2.   NT. 2
Qland bye

Table after day 1

Sa. 6pt. + 6
Vic. 6pt. +3
nnsw. 3pt +1
act. 3pt. +1
nsw. 3pt. - 1
Tas. 1pt. -2
NT. 1pt. - 5
WA. 0pt. -1
Qland. 0pt. -2

Thanks, Spathi.

The Tassie coach would have been doing his block. They would expect to draw with or beat ACT.

They would expect to beat NT.

Interesting to see NNSW beat NSW.

Edited by Decentric: 5/12/2011 10:39:21 PM

Act was far to good for Tassie in the first match. NT came back from
2-0 down with 10 men. Nnsw are a very strong team.

Who is he?

Dean May? yes?

Have you seen Dean at any games?

No

He is a gracious winner.:)

I'm surprised he is a mate of Paul Lonton's.

Dean May's teams play good football to watch.

They are great for coaches to watch a team playing 4-3-3 with the defensive two screener midfield triangle, reverting to 4-2-3-1 in defence and sometimes a 4-2-4 in attack. Against similar standard teams they hold good shape.

I'm not sure what Spathi thought when he watched them. I must admit it is easier at the half way line up in a stand to view the formational changes.

[quote=spathi]

Nsw 2.  WA 1
Act.0       Vic 1
SA. 1.      NNSWIS  0
Tas 2.   NT. 2
Qland bye

Good comeback for NSW. Could not stay to watch...seems like a close game.

I am surprised.

his cv is very English and fitness based?

Is it easy to see which formations teams are playing, Slee?

A few years ago Han Berger did his block with the style of football some of the state teams played at national championships. He was livid and put a few FFA staff hacks on notice.

Who?

I must go and watch a session of his, to see what he does technically. He is part of the FFA programme and would be pretty accountable to Han Berger. The TD would evaluate his sessions frequently.

I would like to be an innocent bystander at a NTC session, but he knows me, and will probably ask me what I 'm doing there and start to explain things. He is a friendly bloke, not aloof like some. I might have to go in a disguise.:lol:

I was asked at one split state league club training session if I was a talent scout?:lol:

Edited by Decentric: 5/12/2011 11:35:18 PM

Most of the time at senior training sessions i just shake my head.
Failure to move off the ball, poor first touch, receive the ball standing still all issues that should of been sorted at U10s.

One senior split state league coach of a male senior team told me he despairs at how he has to keep telling players the same things, but they don't sink in.

There were a couple of things I was doing with under the girls under 12 reps.](*,)

Sorry, I must have worded it wrong. NT finished with a full set of players, but scored 2 goals in the last 10 minutes to draw 2-2.



NNSW = brilliant in the first match. Could easily have been more than 3-1. 2nd match was a tense arm-wrestle, not many chances and only 1 goal was ever going to win it. SASI's high intensity, high pressing game forced an error, and indeed, 1 goal was enough for the win against a tired looking NNSW (who had spent a lot of energy by beating NSWIS, as compared with SASI's cruisy 6-1 win earlier in the day.) However, hats off to SASI, they made the most of this, and NNSW's fluid passing game from the morning's match was successfully interrupted and they very rarely found any rhythm.

Bring on day 2.

maybe he should look at his selection process.

It doesn't matter who it is at the club, most of his senior, reserve players and under 19s are similar.](*,)

It is quite funny to see the conversations between some split state league coaches and the younger senior players.

Coach, "Why did you do that with the ball, son?"

Player, " I don't know."

Coach, "What have we been working on?"

Player, " Can't remember."

Coach rolls eyes. Says he goes over and over the same stuff week in week out and that most players still make the same mistakes week after week.](*,)

In a shooting exercise he has a player crossing with two attacking players running into meet the cross. He has been working on them crossing over to confuse defenders. Players either run into each other or miss the ball completely.](*,)

This guy is quite an enlightened coach too. He believes in learning football, by playing football. No isolated running at training in his sessions. He asks me if KNVB has any solutions for players like this?

Is he asking questions of the coaches at younger years?
This should be his first response the second should be to bring them to training and show them the result of poor youth coaches.
I know they don't but senior coaches should be over the moon to have development coaches in years U8>u12's.

In fairness, Krones, he had just taken over the senior coaching role. He is a good mate of a good mate.

He hasn't had much time.

If he stays the club will improve as a whole. He will be interested in the younger age groups, but they only go down as far as under 13s here.

Under 12s are juniors.

his mate ship may have been overstated.
Any football person can see straight through lontons hair care sales pitch.

Edited by slee45: 6/12/2011 12:09:18 PM

Day 2 morning results:

WA 0-0 SASI
ACTAS 0-1 QAS
TAS 0-1 NNSWIS
NT 0-0 FFV.

Evening results

NSWIS 0. SA 1
NT 1. Qis 1
WA 3. Tas 1
Nnsw 0. Vic 2
Act bye

Table after day 2

Sa 10 pt. +7
Vic. 10pt. +5
Nnsw. 6 pt. 0
WA. 4 pt. +1
Qland. 4 pt. -1
Act. 3 pt. 0
Nsw. 3 pt. -2
NT. 3 pt. -5
Tas. 1 pt. -3

are you at the games?

Not all games but midfieldmaestro is helping me out with results

Keep the rsults comming guys, well done...

This mornIngs results

Actas 3. NT 1
Nsw 3. Tas 0
Nnsw 0. Qland 1
WA 3. Vic 2

From my point of view, it's extremely disappointing that NNSW is under-achieving yet again.

Title hopes are well and truly down the toilet, gotta hope we can stay top of the technical points table.

Edited by MidfieldMaestro: 7/12/2011 12:45:41 PM

They beat NSW city didn't they?

I would have thought that was a pretty decent result?

would like to hear comments on the quality of play if you could.

w

Nnsw started strong on day 1 & 2, but seems to be struggling now. Good win for WA against Vic. Was it a good game??

Results from afternoon day 3.

Tas 2 SA 1
ACT 3 Nnsw 2
NSW 1 Vic 0
WA 2 Q/land 0

Table after day 3

SA 10 pts +6
WA 10 pts +4
Vic 10 pts +3
ACT 9 pts +3
NSW 9 pts +2
Q/land 7 pts -2
NNSW 6 pts -2
Tas 4 pts -5
NT 3 pts -7

I will leave the comments on the quality of play to midfieldmaestro he has watched most games. I have only watched the ACTAS games.

It was a fantastic result. One of the best I've ever seen the boys play. They were sharp, hungry, full of energy, kept the ball on the ground, out-footballed them and although it was 3-1, it could easily been 4 or 5-1.

Since then we have struggled due to fatigue, particularly of our midfielders who have played nearly every minute so far. (Both our DM's finally got a break today, playing just 1 half in the afternoon game) We are bit light in terms of personnel in the middle of the park. Not only the midfielders fatigued, but apart from some patches of play, NNSWIS seem flat and not showing what they are truly capable of. We just haven't seen the NNSWIS from morning 1 since then, and this disappoints me greatly.

Also, we had our #9 pull out of the squad for unknown reasons in the weeks before the tournament, and it is proving to be a huge blow, as he is a super player and would really have added much more to an attack struggling to score.

All teams seem fairly equal, with anyone capable of beating anyone on their day. (See top of the table SASI going down to bottom of the table Tasmania today.)

On the whole, the standard of play is fairly good in my opinion (without being an expert). Most games are quick, 90% of ball on ground (you still see the occasional long ball from some teams) and most teams are able to play their way out from the back and build attacks.

For me, I have been most impressed with WA (who tore QAS apart earlier in a 2-0 win) and ACTAS. Both play the 4-3-3 system well and can turn on the goals when needed. NNSWIS have played well, technically speaking, but struggle to take goal-scoring opportunities and in the last 2 days have leaked soft goal after soft goal.

thanks for that.
What about queensland style/ ball control?

To be honest, I haven't seen too much of QAS. They beat us today 1-0 in a hard fought match. NNSWIS wasted chances, QAS took one of theirs, and that was the difference. From what I have seen though, they are a very solid side, but from this evening's game, a class down from WA (as a team). QAS have some individual standouts (maybe 3 or 4) who may be in line for all-star selection.

As for style, 95% of the time, they keep the ball on the ground and play the 4-3-3 system adequately, but not as free flowing as WA, who so far, I believe is the benchmark.

QAS ball control is just as good as everyone else's.


Also just want to let you know that I haven't been able to watch every minute of every game, but so far I have seen parts of every match so far.

Edited by MidfieldMaestro: 7/12/2011 09:08:22 PM

Good stuff Spathi, Slee and Midfield Maestro.

Keep it coming.:)

Thanks

I've been fortunate to see most of the games thus far. :)

I agree with Midfield Maestro in his 8.26pm post today (also without being an expert). Despite generally playing a similar formation, there are interesting differences somewhat related to the relative strength of each team in different areas on the pitch. The standard of play has been fairly good - mostly comfortable playing out from the back, not too many long-balls and some very good ball retention. Perhaps not enough vision / composure or "killer" passes thus far in the attacking third.

Quite a number of the teams have struggled to put the ball in the net in comparison to the number of chances they are creating. Many goals are down to defensive lapses, keeper error and - dare I say - fortunate decisions. There have been some very nice goals however - NNSW scored a cracking volley off a cross from the left against ACT today and WA's number 8 sliced through the Vic defence for a very well taken goal after being denied an obvious penalty a couple of minutes earlier.

I have (also) been most impressed with WA thus far, despite their opening loss. Very strong in the midfield in particular. NSW look good going forward but sometimes a bit shaky at the back. VIC have occasionally been a bit one-dimensional but defended well. Ditto NT apart from one game where they were overrun - they appear stronger this year. Tassie have played okay and saved their best game thus far for SA. Despite their loss to Tassie today, SA are playing some very nice football and appear strong and well-drilled all over the park. NNSW have alternated between very good indeed and the occasional lapses of concentration. QLD really should be scoring a lot more goals based on their play. ACT are playing some good football, especially through the middle of the park. Expect more upsets.

While I have not seen any truly dominant displays by individual players thus far, there have been a number who have played consistently well. It will be interesting to see the eventual "All-Star" selections.

G'Day, Incoming. Do you have a son playing in this tournament?

Totally agree that a lot of goals have come from defensive frailties (see goals by ACTAS vs NNSWIS-take nothing away from ACTAS for getting the 3 points) and errors. Have seen some, but not many goals from fortunate decisions. (See penalty for QAS vs ACTAS in the final minute of the match).

The cracking goals from NNSWIS yesterday afternoon vs ACTAS was a brief glimpse of what those boys are capable of. Both goals started with playing out from the back, keeping the ball on the ground, stretched ACTAS right, then left, winger took on his man, put in 2 fantastic crosses, met with 2 fantastic finishes. They haven't done that enough this week. Then they proceeded to lose all concentration, and ACTAS punished them within 30 seconds of the equaliser. You just can't switch off in this tournament.

Morning results

Nnsw 1 WA 1
Tas.1       Ql 1
Nsw 3.  NT 0
Act0   Sa 2

Edited by spathi: 8/12/2011 02:30:02 PM

This is an issue even with senior Socceroo teams in the last 6 years.

There has to be a combination of good off the ball movement by one player and someone else having sufficient vision and technique to execute the killer pass - combination football.

Good wrap, Incoming.

Keep them coming.:)

Surprised Tassie drew with Queensland.

Tassie's best result of the tournament.

Queensland is still suffering from growing pains
They have decided on the right path led by the dutch technical director.
he has some good (I think) foot solders to do the work
But he still has not cleaned out the rot ie Paul Lonton
IMO
You will not steer the ship in the right direction with one side of the hull clean copper and the other covered in barnacles.

Love the use of language, Krones.=d>:lol:

Dean May will be pleased with the result.



Edited by Decentric: 8/12/2011 04:47:34 PM

=Decentric

This is an issue even with senior Socceroo teams in the last 6 years.

There has to be a combination of good off the ball movement by one player and someone else having sufficient vision and technique to execute the killer pass - combination football.

Agree with above statements. Also, In my opinion kids with flair, natural ability and killer instinct has been stifled over the years. They are taught to play a certain way only and not encouraged to think outside the box. Eventually they conform to the robotic way of play and is less motivated to play more creatively.


Edited by slee45: 8/12/2011 06:40:01 PM

Afternoon results

Vic 2 Tas 0
WA 3 NT 1
SA 0 Q/land 0
ACT 0 NSW 1


Current table
NSW 15pts +6
SA 14pts +8
WA 13pts +6
Vic 13pts +6
ACT 9pts 0
Q/land 8pts -2
NNSW 7pts -2
Tas 5pts -7
NT 3pts -12

Decentric Tassies best result was beating SA yesterday 2-1. Bottom of the table beat top of the table.

I'm gobsmacked!!!:o

I'm also surprised NNSW haven't won more subsequent games after an impressive start.

Technical points ladder after round 6 for those interested

ACTAS 19.5
QAS 19
WA 19
NNSWIS 18.5
VIC 17.5
NSWIS 16.5
SASI 16
NT 15.5
TAS 13

WA seem to be coasting along quite well on both the tech and points ladders.

I thought results don't matter?

Lonton's excellent work paying off. =d>

To me they don't.

To him they do.

On what criteria are technical points awarded?

Do you think this is still the case or is it different under the new Dutch influence?

No doubt.

His qualities are sometimes clearly understated.

Edited by judy free: 8/12/2011 11:19:55 PM

Only if it suits his agenda.

Tassie were at least as good in beating SA - warming up to the task? The WA versus NNSW game was a cracker and NNSW really stepped up to the plate (unlucky to draw) against a very good WA team. SA was good value for its win and clearly took the points against a decent Canberra midfield - I'm quite surprised at SA's relatively low technical points ranking taking into account its strong team performances. NSW and VIC continue to grind out results - slightly more efficient in front of goal perhaps?

Very happy with the tournament play overall - certainly allowing players to showcase their talents. As Slee45 said, however, it would be nice to see more "combination football" with quick passing between the midfield and attackers going forward.

I don't think we should count results here, I mean FFS Decentric's mob beat SASI!!! :oops:

"On a daily basis 'bonus' points will be given to the teams that played most in line with the FFA’s National Curriculum (the ability to showcase technical content in their play and proper execution of the FFA’s playing style)."

then...

"The winner of the bonus points system will play against the winner of the regular group in the final this Friday."

I must ask what is the point of this?

From the horse's mouth ... seems results do matter after all, even to the Dutch.

Obviously with Queensland almost leading the bonus points table, Han Berger and his cohorts must be delighted with Lonton's work in recent years.

I think a certain poster owes poor old Mr.Lonton a whole-hearted and barnacle free apology for the years of unjust and venomous abuse he's been subject to.

If you place any value in honesty, manners, and respect you'll do the honourable thing!

Not really.

There is an emphasis on style being paramount.

Edited by Decentric: 9/12/2011 12:07:17 AM

Care to pontificate on what happened in the past?

Implicit in this comment is an assumption things were good in the old days.

What world renowned methodology was utilised in Australia i those old days?

If you say eclectic, what were we particularly good at?

Huh?

I'm saying what is the point of a match between the winners of the group and the winners of (shall we say) style?

Not a big issue but it doesn't make sense to me.

more like peter de roos excellent work paying off.

not sure it is too wise to take a strong stance when you are not actually there to see what is going on.:shock: :shock:

His words are quite clear.

Wicked imagination there, sigmund.

Umm krones ol buddy, the bits in quotes are not my words and as for the rest, I said it isn't a big issue.

Results would definitely matter to BergerKing (an Archie Fraser gem) if our U17's and U20's actually won something.

Edited by judy free: 9/12/2011 12:36:29 AM

Absolutely.

Archie would've been good value on TWGF.

Hans statements are clear made to satisfy the cravings of those in football who want instant gratification.He was clearly targeting the part of the football community that is always insisting that with out results the whole thing is a waist of time.

To all those who have the capacity to understand that results take time to achieve and that the process will take a further 5+ years to show its total success, his comments are a clear statement that the program is continuing.

Strange hans should adopt this method as he will never appease the failed coaches of the NSL days, like petulant children they continue to cry no matter what he says.

Thursday Morning Results

WA 1 v N.NSW 1
TAS 1 v QLD 1
NSWIS 3 v NT 0
SA 2 v ACT 0
VIC v Bye

Thursday Afternoon Results
VIC 2 v TAS 0
NT 1 v WA 3
QLD 0 v SA 0
ACT 0 v NSWIS 1
N.NSW v Bye

Friday Morning Results

N.NSW 4 NT 0
WA 3 ACT 1
SA VS VIC ??
NSW VS QLD ??

For Updated ladder and Bonus Points Table:
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Youth-takes-centre-stage-in-FFA-State-Institute-Challenge/43361

Let me just correct the final scores of the final days play.

Nnsw 3 NT 0
WA 2 ACT 1
SA 1 Vic 2
Nsw 1 Q/land 0

So the final standings in the points table are:

NSW 18pts +7
WA 17 pts +7
Vic 16pts+7
SA 14 pts +7
NNSW 10 pts -1
ACT 9 pts -1
Qu 8 pts -3
Tas 5 pts -7
NT 3 pts -15

Outright winners NSWIS
NSWIS will this afternoon play the winners of the technical table.
The winner of this game will play the allstar team which will be announced tonight at at dinner held at the AIS.

My apologies to WA

Edited by spathi: 9/12/2011 04:53:17 PM

Thanks Spathi.
I think WA is second with 17 Points?

LOL, Berger will have slipped out the back door with a truck full of ripe Aussie mangoes by the time the clueless have detected a robbery.

so you have been saying for many years.
how well did we do before the ffa took over? in the now defunct NSL
SSG where introduced in 2007 that means that the first set of players are now 10yrs old
we will see the full result in 2015 when they are 13.
in 2000 Australia's FIFA world ranking was?
and now 22

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:39:28 PM

SSG's were intro'd in early 90's in the nations football capital, Sydney.

The first set of players have prolly since retired.

ssg were introduce nationally in 2008, sorry to telly you chips there are other places in Australia than the corrupt Sydney.](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Edited by krones3: 9/12/2011 03:54:56 PM

Probably left the game as they could see no future in the NSL.

True, but still represents the largest body of registered junior/yoof players in straya by some margin. It's where the action is, krones.

And looking at the tables in Canberra I can see that theres been no change in results (pecking order) over the past 20 odd years. That is, Syd still dominates.

SSG's is not a new concept for the bulk of strayan players who have gone onto bigger and better things.

wow do all the people in NSW know that that really only means sydney.
So much for state representation do the other cities in NSW feel that they are represented in the state.
It started a war once went something like (no taxation with out representation) another country but you never no could be onto something big here chips.[-x [-x [-x [-x

Queensland beats NSW in the final between the competiton ladder leader and the technical ladder leader 4-1.
In what was a dominating display Queensland outplayed the NSWIS team all over the park.

Overall I think NSWIS were very lucky to get to where they did as they were by no means the best team there. In my honest opinion Queensland and WA played the best football all week.

Thanks for railroading another topic Judy Free, much appreciated by no one, cheers.

Thanks for all that spathi
I truly believe it is the selection process that has helped Queensland's ability to play this style of football.
For a long time the selection process in Queensland has been very wanting, finally Peter de roo has taken control. Along with the informed selectors at the various events around the state clearly they seem to have found a good formula.
=d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>

Humble pie anyone?

Just made some corrections.

Congrats to QAS. Worthy winners of the final, and as the week went on, their style of football got better and better. They struggled to score goals at times, despite their style, but it all came good in the final. I'm sure this has put a smile on your face, krones. :)

Agree that QAS and WA were the best teams in terms of the 4-3-3 system.



Edited by MidfieldMaestro: 9/12/2011 05:59:17 PM

Thanks for everything