To encourage others to develop their ball skills
and it has


Been the same statement since we first met, no idea why you can not accept that.


Not sure depends on the kid.


Why would you either way.
Why care if he or she became a pro football or not.
All most people for their kids is a fair go and a level playing field.

I do believe we have been over this 1000+ times.

just to add
I was right and time has proven it.
I am right about Lonton as well and we have already said goodbye to much of the puss that has been infesting Queensland football.
We will say goodbye to him one day as well.







Edited by krones3: 8/12/2011 05:57:48 PM

I'd like to believe you.....but. :lol:

Whilst on the subject of good parenting; at what age do you think a parent should step back (control his own ugly urges and influences over his teenage kid) and allow his kid to take some genuine control over his/her sporting pursuits?

And, if you believed your kid lacked the talent to make it as a pro footballer would you be prepared to pass on this fatherly advice?


Edited by judy free: 8/12/2011 05:26:17 PM

Idiot.

The issue of "parents justifying thier own existance" was raised.

Join the dots, Sigmund.

Some interesting points, good ones too, raised by Krones and Manrubenmuz.

Having been a teacher for years, the extrinsic rewards of trophies for all are very common in junior football.

One would hope the intrinsic enjoyment of playing football is enough to keep them motivated.

Troll.

](*,)

To encourage others to develop their ball skills
and it has
as i have told you before coaches produce what selectors select the more skill is praised and admired the more it will be developed.

Some strong words there, krones.

Which leads me to ask.....

What was your prime motivation for videoing your kid juggling and then putting it up on YouTube?

Individualise have not forgotten there foundation it is society that has.
It takes two to have a child but a society to raise one.
If you think it is bad now wait till this generation of children try to raise their own.

A wise Italian once said "you's is afraid of the very children you born."

i havent forgetten those foundations....???

have you,

what im saying is parent should stop wrapping them in cotton wool

totally agree
and the parents live in different houses
compete for their child s attention
swear like troopers, drink like fish and gamble like card sharks
Place undue value in owning things and buying stuff.
place no value in honesty, manners, philosophy,respect, attention to detail, mastery of mind and body, control of emotion, charity or selflessness.
Family holidays don't happen and if dad lives with them he is never home.
So maybe a little trophy is adding to this problem or maybe it is an insignificant contributor to a much larger issue.

Nope. As I said earlier it's the parent's fault. Smack bang, squarely on their shoulders.

They don't let kids do anything and then they bitch and moan about how "back in my day", "kids are too soft these days" blah blah friggin blah.

"All they do is spend all day on the X-box!" Well who friggin bought it for them in the first place and if it was a present why are you letting them spend hours on it? Who is in charge in these houses?

I've had parents try to call off soccer games because it's slightly drizzling and then blame the kids. When the kids come to training and I ask them why they didn't want to play on the weekend they all say they wanted to.


Edited by munrubenmuz: 8/12/2011 11:51:08 AM

How can kids build a spine in a culture that has forgotten the foundations of raising children?
We should blame the children for this?

I am not trying to put words in your mouth only to understand your point.
as a person who has received many individualize trophies and a father of children who have won some very distinguished awards and trophies IMO they mean zero.
More harmful Imo are the adults who use the awards or trophies of their children to justifies there own existence.
my own feelings on this and all matters of personal development are covered best in the words of Theodore Roosevelt

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

yes kids today have to grow a spine and stand on their own two feet and get on with it, so mant soft cocks.....

adversity builds character

You are putting words in my mouth but yes possibly. (Let's just say I don't think it helps.)

By overpraising and rewarding ordinary (not special) behaviour I believe you are setting kids up for failure and an inability to cope with disappointment in latter life. You are also fostering a sense of entitlement. (Not just in sport but in school as well.) My wife is a sub teacher and she'll bend your ear all day about this subject if you like.

There is a body of research coming out regarding this sort of thing at the moment and the inability of children to have any sort of resilience in the face of hardship.

The pendulum has swung too far the other way at the moment and I believe it needs to come back a tad which is why I said wean them off onto little medals in the first instance.

so to be precise
At ages U7 through to U12's it harms the children's development into adult hood or the games future if everyone receives a trophy and no one player is singled out by adults as being better than anyone else?

When everyone is special, no one is.

Why?

My pet hate is trophies for all but little Johnny is not totally to blame. When mum signs him up they're asking "what are we getting for our fees?" Trophies are expected and it stinks. (Happens in junior rugby league as well.)

There were 2 trophies handed out when I was a kid, "best and fairest" and "most improved". (Occasionally golden boot.) I never went away crying. I was disappointed sometimes but life's full of disappointments.

They should see it as a character building experience.

Maybe to wean these kids off these trophies they should just give them little medals. It's been discussed at our club.

I am not sure but a theory i have is

That successful parents "especially mums" believe their kids will be successful in life if they can be successful in sport at a young age.
They seem to think this will give them a competitive edge in the business world.
I don't think they really care what sport as long as it is elite or elitist.
For successful fathers it seems to bring bragging rites and the believe that it will bring their boy alpha male status and popularity.
For me it has always been about the game its future and its well being.
I don't believe football makes kids grow to be a whole person.

IMO its
sport
school
music
art
travel
language
family
friends
food
littérateur
philosophy
charity
etc etc etc

Adults would do well to be as active in perusing these things with their children as they are trophies or team placement with league high positions.



Edited by krones3: 8/12/2011 10:11:44 AM

half the torphies handed out these days are participation medals or trophies, so little johhny doesnt start crying because he missed out,

same thing with coaching, some brain dead cock gets a piece of paper that say he can coach, doesnt mean they have the people skills or motivation to make a decent coach

like employing people, they can all write a great resume but very few can back it up with performance

give 2 kids a ball and its competitive .

germany dont do medals and trophies until u10 at regional level, spain do it at u7, france at u12, holland u12 as a rule.


some quotes on the eternal english world cup failures and lack of world class ability

The problem is, in England, you teach children to win the game, in Spain, we teach children to play the game”
(Jose Mourinho2010

We need to move away from this win-at-all-costs culture and let children start to enjoy football” (Lineker2010

bullshit.
when i was a kid i played football
I played football before school at lunch, play time and after school.
On the weekends i played football when i got up until we could not see the ball due to poor light night fall or when i got called in by my mum.
We had an old tv and my grandfather would watch 20000 leagues under the sea and have to hit the top of it every now and again to restore the picture. so we never got to watch football on it.
our heroes where the older boy who could do some fantastic trick and my uncles and i e would play one on one between the wall and the house until we got told off for making noise.
Try as hard as i may i can not remember any table, i can not even remember the score from a single game.
I can however remember hours of fun and good friends.
When i left there to come to Australia the boy across the road was playing football on the lawn, when i went back 30yrs older and 30yrs later the old man across the road was playing football on the lawn with his nephews.
So much fun so long ago and so much bullshit from judy free






Edited by krones3: 8/12/2011 09:05:17 AM

Edited by krones3: 8/12/2011 09:07:19 AM

don't you think the currently in NSW there is a dire shortage of decent coaches at NSWPL & NSWSL levels??

Correct.

Remove the competition & run the risk of losing kids to competitive codes.

But I guess ppl can always close their eyes and think of Barcelona.

Plenty, as you will see.

No coach worth his salt will select players on size/height, however at elite level there will always be a minimum standard of genuine athletic ability.

Aggrieved parents, who's kid missed selection, tend to run with the "height" fallacy, when in fact their kid moves at the speed of a sloth.

Well of course he would.......it's what keeps him from ever being accountable.

I read the article too on the latest FFT Mag and im glad Han Berger is thinking that way too, its all development not results as some people are suggesting with our latest under 17s and 20s at the world cups earlier this year, it will pay off 10, 15 years down the track hopefully once the FFA ciriculum bears fruit at all levels we see some results.

Edited by Barca4Life: 7/12/2011 09:55:03 PM

I hadn't realised the Spanish were obsessed with physical stature and winning a few years back.

Johan Cruyff remembers the first time he set eyes on Pep Guardiola. The scrawny teenager was playing in Barcelona's youth team and Cruyff had just been appointed first-team manager at the club. 'He was a boy and the people said to me, "Oh, he's one of the best".

'So (over the next year) I looked for him in the reserves, but he didn't play in the reserves. So then I looked at the first youth team, and he didn't play in that team. And eventually I found him in the third youth team.
'So I said to the coaches, "You said he was the best one!" And they said, "Yeah, but physically…" I said, "Put him there (in the reserves). He will grow. Don't worry, everybody grows". And they said, "Yeah, but we will lose". I said, "If we lose, we lose. We need to create players". And he did very well.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2049600/Cruyff-All-great-teams-home-grown-players--end-like-City-Tevez.html#ixzz1fpfTug6m

This is an excerpt from an article that Arthur posted in another thread. I am going to be a keen spectator at next years NSW metro league to see how many smaller players are getting a gig.