Davstar,

I can sum up the reasons in one word *Brainwashed* As my above statement they say one thing but mean another. You have to have had experience and an old wise head to be able to interpret their true meaning.

I have watched the TV show can't remember its name but it showcased young stars of the future. I was horrified to watch a film clip of this kid who was tauted as a future star spending more time on his head than on his feet...Complete rubbish. I remember thinking to myself if this kid and others like him are our stars of the future we are going down the shitter real fast...

Edited by Aussiesrus: 29/12/2011 02:39:53 AM

NO WAY NOT ME dispute how much people on this site may loth some of my posts i try my best to stick to fact

Im all honest and I'm all fact it isn't easy to produce Robin Van Persi's, Messis, Vidics etc Han can't be blamed because we haven't produce another "Kewell or Cahill" etc.

I think the old system needed to change i don't agree with all the changes that have been made i don't see what the obsession with the

4-3-3 considering since Viduka retired Australia has not had a decent striker to hold up the ball.

My biggest concern is we aren't producing players good enough to play in average leagues like Holland, Greece etc in the old system we pretty much always had at least 5-6 players in the top 3 leagues in the world.

At the moment we have Cahill, Swarts and Herd and two of them are pretty much finished.

However any criticism aimed at our development is fair and i won't stick my neck out to defend it but i won't bad mouth it yet ill give it 4 more years.

Also i'd like to add another big problem with football is it has become very expensive to play and really it should be getting cheaper not more dear to register as a player!

Fully agree....High expense suits the affluent like coins in a coin jar to them. Those that are politically well adjusted use the systems cash that is milked from association football...

True talent is talent no matter what their financial or political situation.

Nothing like hearing about the politically well adjusted and rich kids taking up spots in high level football going frrrrrttt and kicking airswings at the expense of real talented footballers who's space they take up in NYL. And there are plenty of them, I hear about them all time.

To prove a point, last season the ASA took 16 lads that had been rejected by NSWPL and NSWSL sides and formed a squad, trained them for 6 months... then went and played those teams 5 times and beat them 5 times with their own rejects.

Now your starting to see the bigger picture.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 29/12/2011 03:07:17 AM

Sure. You raise a fair point, Aussiesrus.

There are going to be some exceptional players, often exceptions to the rule, who fit this category. The point is, very few are this good.

When I was a professional musician, many other musicians thought they didn't need to learn theory, because they pointed out a few world class brilliant musicians who didn't learn theory, yet became renowned musicians.

This is a fair point. However, very few of us are this talented. Most of us benefit from explicit instruction, but there are a few gifted people who don't need, or benefit from explicit technique instruction.

100%
but i think in queensland this is changing.

There's been 100's of coaching philosophy new dawns over the past 30 or 40 years in NSW (football capital) - this Dutch bollox is just another. Albiet this one is significantly the most costly and the negative impact will be felt for many years.

As for the rest of your post? Emotive claptrap from an aggrieved parent.

99% of Socceroos, A-Leaguers and other pro players came out of junior/youth elite rep teams. There's never been a shortage of whingers who never made the cut. They will go on to carve out a career at all age district level whilst their parents will rabbit on, to anyone who'll listen, that their kid was an overlooked (by dozens of coaches and selectors) Kewell in the making.

To put it another way we have changed to a European style development system and national European based methodology.

In the past we had an ad hoc, even in Sydney.

The A League is playing much more technical football than it was even a few years ago. This has occurred through the European push.


I don'[t like the dichotomy between elite players and community players that the FFA NC is trying to push. Nevertheless, the NC is a push in the right direction.

Wrong.

99% must be inaccurate.

Tasmanians Alan Cisak and Simon Miotto never went through national youth elite teams. They have both forged careers in the English Lower Leagues.

Tasmanian Greg Downes wasn't in national youth elite set ups. He has just landed a contract in Blue Star Conference, the tier just below League 2 in England.

Michael Marrone has never played for Australia in underage teams.

In a massive state like NSW it would be easy to miss the cut when one selects a youth state team of 16 players. There may be
50 000 players in that specific age group.

There must be other members of the forum who can list other players who have managed pro careers but not gone through the FFA rep systems.

That guy from ASA who has achieved a Man City youth contract was not in FFA elite programmes, but has probably succeeded at a higher level than almost anybody in his age group in Australia in terms of a possible European career.

Elite junior/youth system = Metro Reps/PYL (in NSW) - refer to aussie's post.

Youve named a few no name Tasmanians kicking about for beer money in low tier English leagues......hardly a convincing argument, decentric.

Edited by judy free: 30/12/2011 10:57:58 AM

Sydney Olympic PYL.

Top tier comp for NSW's best yoof players.

Yes, why take segments from various philosophies when you can put all your eggs in one basket.

Yawn.

I'm talking about FFA youth rep teams and NTC.

They would amount to about 80 players per state, with half being females.

If one adds the AIS then that equates to about 280 male players in Australia in FFA state rep squads. In the US they would have millions in their college system.

A former junior Socceroo captain, and current state FFA TD, defines NSWPL essentially as an amateur competition, and the defunct NSL as a part time pro competition. By his definition none of them being 'elite'.

Lower Leagues One and Two, have been similar in standard to the A League, even if their style is direct.

In queensland the old Paul Lonton = fail
the new Peter de roo =win win
says it all imo :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really are clueless, decentric.

FYI there are three tiers of rep yoof football in NSW. Thats approx 40 clubs x 16 players each. Big enough window for ambitious players to showcase their talent, or lack thereof.

Only a few of these can showcase their talents at national championships.

Some overseas coaches are won't even look at a player unless he has represented Australia.

Fitness is not the decisive factor at the top, special players are. Fulfilling this aim is not going to be easy and it is not going to happen overnight. The Curriculum’s Building Blocks methodology is the framework that provides the practical guidelines for coaches working at all levels of youth development.” In other words: it explains what should be taught to players at various ages, from five all the way up to 20.



This is another excellent initiative.

Nobody can convince me we had a system, in the previous ad hoc one, where we had a prescriptive blueprint about what we should coach at different ages and stages of cognitive football development.

-Cisak was in the Young Socceroos for a couple of years.

-Marrone is a former AIS scholarship holder.

-The Man City boy is in FNSW's state futsal team.

-Many players have gone straight from NSWPYL into AIS and Joeys squads bypassing NSWIS. FFA obviously recognise that there's more quality player than there are spots in a NSW state team and keep an eye on this league.

Alan?

Geezuz, you've got a good handle on local tassie talent, decentric.

It's "Alex" FFS. #-o

GK who played for OZ U/20's.

As for the other bloke, talentless 40 something journeyman who's played 20 odd first games in past 20 years. But I s'pose he was once better than Bosnich, Kalac and Schwarzer? FMD.

Edited by judy free: 30/12/2011 12:26:07 PM

Bloody hell, you clutch at straws like a silly old woman. So, now the nswpl and nswpyl, both second only to the aleague and aleague youth, aren't elite levels of football, eh?

Then, if that's the case it makes all the other levels, including by comparison, the bush level football in that football backward state of Tasmania, look pretty pathetic. My apologies to other Tasmanians.

BTW, when speaking of nsw in future, don't forget to add to nswf, the nnswff, it's players that outnumber all in Tas. by about 4-1, it's nnswis and subsidiary outlets, it's elite youth comps such as syl (covering an area from the central coast to Ballina and Tamworth/NW slopes and plains in the west, plus the nbn state league youth and first touch colts league.

No, i don't want one of your boring, obnoxious and long winded bedtime tales in answer, thanks very much.

Last year FFA started Skill Acquisition Programs for talented 10-13 year-old boys and girls in every state and territory. The pinnacle of these programs were the ‘Skilleroos’ squads where the most talented U/13 kids train and play under the guidance of FFA-trained expert skill coaches in a year-round, free-of-charge elite program. Unfortunately the awareness of the Skill Acquisition Programs, especially among parents, still has to improve dramatically. “Parents would rather pay thousands of dollars to send their kids to so-called elite academies instead of sending them our programs that deliver real quality, for free.”

These Skill Acquisition Programs underpin and lead into the next phase – the State Institute Programs. These are programs aimed at the best 14-16 year-old boys and are also year-round and free of charge. The coaches involved are trained and selected by FFA and the Game Training Phase is covered by these programs: teaching the players the individual team tasks and how these tasks link together when you play as a team.




There are very few who are selected for these SAP programmes in this state.


State FFA have no capacity/resources to run programmes for kids other than 'elite' ones, yet they have a paid full time staff coach working at a specific club in a paid capacity on top of his FFA duties.

He is committing more time to 'assist' a private club, yet he can't find time to run a free programme for two hours once per week, like we do at FFE for any interested young players, not just a few elite ones.

A considerable number of these targeted elite players give the game up. Hence, this is a waste of precious FFA resources.

Han Berger should also be aware it costs thousands of dollars for kids to be in a state team. This precludes many. The FFA system is very elitist. The vast income generated by a million registered players or so, is spent on a few elite kids.

Private academies may still be a cheaper option than being in a state team. I assume it is the bean counters, like Lowy, not Berger, who are responsible for this abhorrent situation at FFA.

Another problem is that NTC players suffer the delusion they will all become professional players. Many don't get there. At least NTC coaches and FFA apparatchiks shouldn't mislead young players.

Don't get me wrong. The way these programmes are run, using contemporary European training methodology, they should be pretty good. It is just they are available for very few players.

Edited by Decentric: 30/12/2011 03:53:18 PM

That is a former Young Socceroo captain's evaluation.

I don't know the NSL that well and the elite structure for youth in NSW.

He does.

I was impressed he played in the NSL. He dismissed it as essentially an amateur league, and that he never really played professionally. He was disappointed a move to a well known European club didn't materialise.

Is that a succinct enough response for you and not too prolix?

Edited by Decentric: 30/12/2011 04:44:22 PM

In conjunction with the various Member Federations, FFA have appointed State Technical Directors to oversee and guide the whole process. “Previously scouting was focused on identifying and selecting big, fast and strong players,” says Berger. “This has caused a major problem in Australia called the “Relative Age Effect” – where players born in the first months of the year are selected as they are more developed physically.

This undoubtedly results in us losing many potentially talented players from a player pool that already isn’t very large. The coaches who work in the national programs have now been instructed to first look for skilful players. Physical shortcomings can always be refined later and appear not to be the determining factor at the top anyway.”




This is a good initiative.

Some elite/split state league coaches here are still obsessed with big, fast and strong players.

The message is clear - technical skill is paramount in the new FFA direction.

The amount is continually and dramatically overstated. The figures stated in the state federations own financial reports quote less than half this figure as registered players.

And yes, of freaking course the nsl was an amateur to semi pro league at best. However, it was the very top level of football in the country and the only national league. So don't try your childish bullshit in claiming by association with someone else's comments, that because it wasn't a professional league it also wasn't the elite Australian league of it's time.

Your attempts to denigrate anything pre 2005 are reaching absurd levels.

I can't remember making any premeditated attempt to denigrate everything pre 2005.:-k

I think there are a lot of improvements in the game post 2005, but that is not to blatantly denigrate anything because it was pre 2005.

Like a number of other geriatrics, we were supposedly playing elite football in the late sixties. In hindsight we were shocked at how we were coached. There was a massive onus on physicality.

“We also are aware that the number of available places in this pathway is too limited and needs to be increased,” says Berger. “FFA is working on a number of initiatives to make that happen, in particular an accreditation system for A-league and state league club youth development academies.”

This is good that Berger has acknowledged this problem.

We don't have an A League club this state, but the state league youth development academies are a great idea.

Less chance of players slipping through the net. It also provides more opportunities for more young players.

What a great load of uninformed horseshit, aimed squarely at the blown-in new dawn clueless.

Berger continues to take the piss.







Edited by judy free: 30/12/2011 10:51:42 PM

LOL, you know absolutely jack shit about strayan sockah prior to 2005.



Does he?

Is this the bloke who played only two seasons in the NSL in the late 80's?

And you hang onto this blokes every word?

FMD, half the blokes in my O35's team had significantly more impressive CV's.

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Edited by judy free: 30/12/2011 11:10:52 PM