Good points =d> =d>

You see I disagree, partly, I think the HAL Franchises should concentrate at Youth level say U16 to U21. Below that age group will cause them nothing but headaches and possibly affect their brand negatively. At junior level U15 to U7 most of our players are at a good standard, it is that "transition" stage from Youth to Senior Football were we have our major issues.

At U16 and below they would be better off working co-operatively with local clubs, maybe at different support levels. E.g. 10 junior clubs at high support level, 20 junior clubs at medium support level and 40 junior clubs at loew support level.

I'll also add that the majority of TOP LEVEL coaches I have spoken to have said that there is no-way you can pick if a 12yo will make it, not until 16yo will these coaches make an assesment as to wether a player has what it takes. So HAL franchises selecting U13, U14, U15 teams will only be a fishing expedition that can affect there standing at a local level when they play other local clubs. ANy incidents or poor behaviour from the HAL team by staff, parents or players will be blown up negatively and create a poor standing from the football community. Let alone all the negative vibes from the juniors that don't make it.

I think all A-league clubs should have their own youth set-up, from under-13s up to under-18s and they would be playing in their local league. In this case NYL would essentially become a reserve league which would allow these youth players to get more game time and train with the senior players at their club, this comp would also serve as a league that gives fringe players more game time too.

This is the scenario I was talking about. The mariners youth side has Porter, Kwasnik, Musialik, Pelligrino and Pasfield in their squad at the moment. I am not sure what the OA rule is but 3-4 experienced players should be enough to help the rest of the boys compete against a more mature squad. I would like to think that the NSWPL sides would have their fair share of younger players getting a gig anyway.

Free pours: priceless :lol:

Airfares $2,500
Hotel 2 weeks $1250 accomadates 4
Barcelona $1,000
Food and transport

excellent
and the cost?

Actually about 40 of our juniors are at Bacelona right now training under Barca coaches for the next two weeks.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Road-to-Barcelona/129811937097437

Here is one possibility

http://www.cefar.com.ar/en_servicios.php

Thats less than what MVFC pays out to the coaches they sack.#-o

Buenos Aries
app 200000 for a 15 player team for 3 months
2 games per week and 6 training sessions.
Coaches, medics supplied.
Not a bad investment.

It's also interesting to consider this, most of the Brazilians playing in this country would have to be considered fifth or sixth rate in Brazilian terms.

And yet our youth players and domestic players do not have the technical skills of a Fred.

Now see what you're alluding to and agree.

I think Krones puts up a very good idea but I somehow doubt that the costs would be as small as he makes out - putting your entire youth squad plus staff over to South America for a bunch of games? Ouch.





Hmm. I agree with you in part - I am not a fan of the NTC teams playing in premier league comps. But with the youth teams, especially if they're sprinkled with one or two older heads, they are on average a bit older than the NTC group, and I think they could hold their own.

I'm not a fan of a squad of 19yo's playing in a State League, against men with stronger bodies etc.

Most learning at that age is done against peers or one or two 19yo's playing in a senior team. This would be the best "learning" situation.

And these sort of ideas will fast track us.

Well even if one German Academy came but was used as an educational tool for our local players and coaches to see how they do it. Of course we could have a scholarship system that would send coaches and players the other way as well.

I think that krones has put forward a huge problem, it sounds like Victoria where everyone knows everyone especially in the so-called elite junior levels and everyone plays a similar form of fightball sorry football.

It would be great to go to South America or even bring teams out here.

We have talked before about having a team in Europe for our talented players to go to maybe it would be more affordable, more acceptable and more beneficial if the FFA or friends of bought a Club in Brazil as an avenue to develop our best juniors and junior coaches.


The skillaroos program and the skill acquisition programs are great innovations but I have a few issues with this too, though minor.

I do beleive we need to focus on improving the overal standard of junior play and culture this should improve all levels of the game.

Good idea but i don't think they would come, its no challenge to them. Unfortunately until we are the best it will be us that need to travel.

the germans are on thier 6 week break, how about inviting thier acadamies and senior teams down for some winter sun and football, make a change for them not to go malaga evry break and doesnt cost ffa.

The problem as i see it is multiplied by varies denominators across Australia.
We seriously need to think outside the square to completely and quickly develop our young players.
The problem is that with so few talented players and local coaches the players and the coaches are facing each other over and over again.
The same tired tactics the same tired faces the same tired grounds.
For our players and coaches to develop they must be constantly exposed to football problems that they need to overcome.
I would play the NYL and then try to get teams registered in leagues or proper friendly tours in other countries.
ie you could take the entire victory youth team to Argentina in Australia's winter and play friendly s against youth teams their and never play the same team in 12 weeks.
The cost would be minimal, government funding could be sort and just watch and see how much improvement the team and coaches make.
You could do this across south america and Africa and maybe parts of south east Asia with each youth team going to different football cultures to develop what can not be obtained here.
The only thing we lack is the vision.
o:)

Yes, aleague youth in summer and state league in winter. Somewhere in there they need a physical and mental break and not to forget, compulsory schooling, uni, tafe or work. This is vital in my opinion and where the aleague are decades behind other sports. No school, uni, tafe or work, no youth league.

I also remember the jets wanting permission to increase the paltry pay/pocket money of their youth team to cover the doubling of their workload and games ect., but were told a definite no by the ffa.

Sure, but that's in addition to the NYL, right?

I would be concerned with player burnout playing year round.

As skeptic mentioned the NSW a-league youth sides are moving towards playing in the NSW premier league and that would be my preferred pathway for our up & coming youth players(16-20). Ideally it would be a 33-36 week comp which would probably pad out to 40-44 weeks with preseason & finals. The big issue will be aligning the state leagues & a-league so they run in parallel.

Football pretty much 12 months of the year. NYL in summer, state premier in winter for example. (Yes, the seasons overlap at times but mostly not)

Aren't we already headed in the direction of the aleague youth teams playing in their respective state leagues senior grade in winter? Jets, Mariners and Sydney as examples. Or do you refer to state league youth grade?

Gees Dave you think you ask simple questions but that's really hard and I could have added so much more and gone into so much more detail on the points I brought up.

But we have to encourage our kids to concentrate on technique, technique, technique. Its the only way our game can go forward.

Do you know Sean? http://www.footballtricks.com/
If I was in WA I'd put him in charge.

Edited by Arthur: 10/1/2012 04:20:26 PM

Define year round - a 33-36 week comp?

But the state premier leagues are not year round competitions, no? Certainly not in WA anyway.

Have the youth league play in the their respective state's premier league instead of a national competition. Should save the clubs a fortune in travel cost and (hopefully) get more exposure for the 2nd tier clubs in readiness for a true 2nd division. I look forward to the day when our youth teams are playing out of the boutique stadium at Tuggerah against the best the in Sydney. I think mine is option B by the way.