Who'd want to play for Manc anyway. Fergie is a player wrecker. He shoves quality players into positions they shouldnt be playing. Yeah it benefits the team but all the players get fucked over by it. Anderson should leave before fergie turns him into teh defensive mid he is not.

He'd probably be joining Inter as Stankovic's long-term replacement anyway.

Thats a little strong. Every player plays for their team so regardless of where they play they should be happy especially if they are winning trophies in Utd's case. I don't think he will turn him into a defensive midfield. I think he will remain a holding Midfielder or be converted back into an AM as he started at Porto and Gremio when the Ginja Ninja retires. However every player becomes versatile when they join United and if Anderson stays he will benefit himself because he can expand. Some of the greatest players in the world wouldn't be world class players had Sir Alex not nurtured their talents Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo, Veron, Rossi, Neville, and the list goes on

Tell that to Ronaldo :roll:
I'd hardly say letting Rossi rot in the reserves was SAF 'nurturing' his tallents.
And Veron was a flop for United.

Rossi didn't rot in the reserves, he had to successful loan spells that launched his name to other big european clubs, Ferguson ensured he was loaned out due to his talents. Veron may have been a flop for United but he was good after he left, whether Ferguson had anything to do with that... i don't know. As for Ronaldo his irrelevant because he never had his position changed, he in the past has been full of himself which has made Manchester united look like Ronaldo united, however as i've said before the Real Madrid saga has changed him. He was extremely gracious when receiving he Ballon D'or but yes he was a little hot headed before the award.

But youll happily put him in your list.

gracious. god. for him it was expected. imagine what hed have been like if he didnt win. shit!!

Hehe yeh i coudn't resist listing him. Ill replace him with Solksjaer. And yeh would have been interesting if he didn't get it, but he was always gonna have it. As for another huge name what about Angel Di Maria for Benfica and Argentina, the kid has magic feet and he is in a similar transfer situation to Aguero, he is probz the clubs best player. Inter wanted him, but due to Quaresma's arrival the move looks unlikely now. However after reading that Real want Amantino Mancini, the move could still be on.

Didn't rot in the reserves?? He spent three years there with a grand total of give games played.
He was then loaned out for a 'successful' loan spell at Newcaslte where he played just 11 games and didn't score.
Man United didn't help him at all. I'd say they cost him the chance to be a true great.
:lol: SAF had something to do with Veron improving when he left?? My left testicle. Veron was good when he arrived, good when he left and just fucking shit for United...I'd say that was entirely on SAF for fuckign it up.
Ronaldo's changed position. He used to play on the left for Sporting Lisbon. Can you imagine the shit fit he would have had if he hadn't won the ballon d'Or?? OR if he doesn't win the WPOTY?? I hope he doesn't win it just to see how he takes it.

Solskjaer?? You mean the guy who made a name for himself when he scored 115 goals in 109 games for Clausenengen and 32 goals in 41 games for Molde. SAF didn't make him.

quaresma has been shit. they could sell him too, no loss. inters wingers have been shit apparently. di maria would be very welcome at anfield. watching him at the olympics was great.

I really rate Quaresma. But dont particularly want him at Anfield, dont know if he would fit into the team.

Di Maria would indeed be excellent at Anfield, I've said this before. I think he'd be great. The only possible problem is that he's left footed.

Quaresma is probably a little too flashy for the kind of football that Rafa likes to play.

Afroman their is a fair juxtaposition between Norway and England. Ole only got better as he stayed. And ill agree with the Veron bit in the fact taht his spell with us was fairly ordinary. But are you forgetting the fact that he spent half of 07 at Parma? where he scored 9 goals in 19 games, that loan was the one that sparked his career at Villareal. But as for Di Maria he will not move to England, he may find himself at Madrid or Inter or one of those but Anfield... noooooooooo. And Rafa seems to be waisting fairly good talent himself. Ryan Babel rarely starts, Nabil El Zhar probably has to pay Rafa to get a regular spot, beer guzzlin Keane drinks on the bench, and lest we forget Lucas Leiva who always comes of the bench. Babel has that much potential... why not play him next to Torres when he comes back?

"But are you forgetting the fact that he spent half of 07 at Parma? where he scored 9 goals in 19 games, that loan was the one that sparked his career at Villareal."
Sorry this was about Rossi not Veron if their was any confusion.

I dont see why Fergie deserves credit for that. All he did was probably sign a release. The Parma staff deserve credit and so does Rossi himself for asking to be loaned.

Di Maria wouldn't get first team football for Inter or Madrid. Ryan Babel isn't a starting player, he runs so much that come half time he's stuffed and on his last legs He would start games if he could keep up his performances for the full 90mins, but he can't. Nabil El Zhar is rubbish, he tries to be too flashy when the situation doesnt' call for it. And Lucas has started regular games this season, 8 in total and he's still young and not physically strong enough to hold his own in the midfield yet.

Quit while you're behind ;)

Yeah I did I read it in a mag I cant actualy see him going though if we treat him well and give him good offers because I remmber him saying that he supported us as a young boy. I defiantely cant see him going while Fergie is still running the show in which case Mourinho will probably be out of Italy by then anyway.

IIRC Rossi didnt ask and had a bitch when he kept getting loaned

On the contrary I think Anderson will be better as a CM, everyone has seen the footgae of him dribbling and doing tricks before he joined us thinking wow this is good but he has just as much potential in CM, I reckon if he stayed an AM/F he would be just another one of those good Brazillian players but in CM I think he can standout, he played there a few times for Porto and its not as though he has just tuned an AM into a CM out of nothing the qualities and signs were always there. As for Rooney I dont want to start anither massive Rooney argument but I think Fergie has changed him for the better to, everyone is expecting goals but if he played for your team you would know what I am talking about his change has the best impact on the whole team and Rooney is always going to be one of those players that will stay here to the end and he has the potential to emulate soe Old Trafford heroes.
I will accept that Rossi was ruined but tbh I never saw it working out anyway. And Veron was unlucky it was neither partys fault that he flopped its like Keane, you dont say that Benitez has ruined Keane because he isnt scoring you say Keane is shit but some players just cant adjust to some teams

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I think the Thiago Silva deal has been completed, though?

Michael Owen better not go to Everton.

Turner to liverpool. Interesting. Might just be a bit of post match, 'he did well lets buy him' speculation. Not a first team player atm for us. Handy squad player maybe.

ITs quite disgusting seeing all these english players linked with Real Madrid. Youd think Madrid'd have a bit more class.

Anderson would've barely been able to walk when Mourinho was there.


Again, the sun's full of shit. Why would McGeady leave when Strachan's about |-|this far from getting the boot and/or joining sunderland.
Anderson would've barely been able to walk when Mourinho was there.
I didn't know Strachan was leaving.

I thought he was with Hertha Berlin? Or was that just a loan deal?
And is it just me or should there be more Hull links?

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Edited by HailtheCelts: 17/12/2008 06:37:19 PM

Owen supported Everton as a kid, but I doubt they'd be able to afford his wages. He'd be better off coming to Anfield where he would be welcomed with open arms.

Turner...I had to look up on wiki :oops: He's not of Liverpool standard. We've got 3 quality CBs in Agger, Carra and Skrtel and a club legend in Hyypia. We may need to replace Hyypia because he's getting on, but there are better replacements than Hyypia. Much rather have Chygrynskyi at the club.

All these english players linked to Real Madrid is mostly the english media desperate to see a few of their players doing well abroad because they think it will aid their national team.
There's nothing in it IMO. And I'd be shattered if Real Madrid signed Young, they'd ruin him. Real can go find somewhere else go trawl through IMO.

He's been offered a contract by Sunderland apparently.

He arrived just as Mourinho left actually.

Oh cmon El Zhar is good. Against Hull liverpool had no spark in the second half except for the fossil you like to call Sami Hypia who kept heading the ball just wide, or into the post. When El Zhar came on Liverpool were buzzing he is quick, and he can put dangerous balls into the box it's just upto the players on the end of the balls to put the ball in the back of the net. And thats ridiculous, Babel starts for Holland constantly, and has a feared partnership with Kuyt, if Liverpool employed that for at least 60 minutes they wouldn't have to buy beer guzzlers like Keane. Kuyt is just as effective on the left or right, Babel can link up with him nicely and then off course you have the grand finisher Torres, As for Lucas he has started 8, and we have played double that. Although ill agree about the strength factor. Lucas should look to be like Anderson.

#-o We didn't need 'buzz' against Hull, we needed cool heads to kill off the game. All El Zhar did was induce panic. So instead of bringing on someone with a record for killing of these games like Babel, or a cool head like Keane, he brings on the inexperienced El Zhar who did little more than run down the clock by his incessant runs with the ball towards the corner flag. I will concede he had a couple of nice one-twos with Gerrard, but that's about all.
Babel gets starts for holland 'constantly'?? Nnnno. Of the 12 Euro qualification games he participated in, only 6 of those appearences were starts. And none of those were for the full 90. There's no use having a starting player that you know you're going to have to sub off at the 60min mark, all that does is make your tactic predictable.
Re: Lucas; 8 starts in a midfield containing Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano is a fair efford for a player of his size and stature, and he's maturing rapidly. He's not taking nearly as many pot-shots as he used to and he's bringing his teammates into the game more. If he can bulk up a little more, he'll be tops.

Are we talking the same Real Madrid? :lol:


He transferred to Tottenham on 31 July, 2007, for a reported fee of £5.4million.


Every striker's linked with Everton at the moment, they might just pay his wage's and get him...?


As I've said, I don't have Foxtel, but apparently he's been on fire for Hull City?
Honestly, I couldn't see Liverpool picking him up, but, just to be on the safer side, I threw that one in.


"May need to replace Hyypia." = Understatement of the century...


He can hit the gym with me and my mate's. :p

The Lucas bit is fair enough. And i was using 60 mins as an example. El Zhar is only considered "in-experienced" coz he is never given game time thus being un-able to prove himself. Can i ask did Rafa play him at all in the Carling cup? Keane would have slept in the box, and asked for a tab, but yeh Babel would have done something for sure. And were only talking about the Euro qualifying, in the Netherlands 3 wc qualifying games he has played the 2 most recent games.

They wouldn't get him til July. They need a striker yesterday.

As I've said, Form is temporary...

He's still a decent player. As long as he doesn't have a pacey opposition striker. He's still good against the tall target-man.

It doesn't matter whether it's 60mins, 70mins or 80mins, the fact still remains that he isn't capable of playing the full 90. He lasted just 26mins against Norway, 68mins against Iceland and didn't play against Macedonia. He's not capable of playing a full game. He's athletic, yes. But he runs out of puff.
El Zhar's played in 10 games this season. It's not like he's not getting his chances. He's played in both our cup matches, including the Cup loss to tottenham and he's struggled to make an impact in almost every game he's been involved in.

El Zhar is shite. Rafa brings him on every week and he is not done ONE thing to impress me.
Must look good in training .

England striker Michael Owen has received a four-year contract offer - not three years as has been reported - and at a salary believed to be about £90,000 per week, not £80,000. (The Independent)

Owen has told his Newcastle team-mates he is hoping for Liverpool, Manchester City or Everton to make him an offer he cannot refuse. (Daily Mail)

Liverpool have denied claims that Robbie Keane will be sold in January after their former player Mark Lawrenson cast doubt on the striker's Anfield future during an interview with an Irish radio station. (The Guardian)

Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner is on Inter Milan boss Jose Mourinho's Christmas wish list, while Wenger could make a move for Le Mans' Ivory Coast defender Gervinho - if Gallas leaves in January. (Daily Telegraph)

Olympic sprint legend Michael Johnson has told Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill that he can make Ashley Young and Gabriel Agbonlahor even faster. O'Neill is considering an offer to send his forwards to Dallas this summer to fine-tune their running skills. (Daily Star)

lol.