I wonder what people's positions are on climate change refugees.
When island nations, like Tuvalu, are inevitably wiped out due to rising seas, should Australia take more than its per capita proportion of these refugees since we contributed more than other nations to their destruction, on a per capita CO2 emission basis?

European businesses are now under pressure to employ these refugees. However, Europe has had its own employment issues.

This is what happens when you bow to socialist bullshit. The simple facts are Europe is struggling to support it's own people and now they've just had a million more walk up with their hands out.

I feel sorry for these people but if they were genuine refugees they'd have stopped at the first border they got to instead of travelling another 5000 clicks to get to Germany.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-oil-revenue-islamic-state-makes-money-selling-gas-bashar-assad-new-bbc2-1892370

I agree, we should be helping them in their countries and not importing their problems over here.

Besides, you can blame the selfish parents for their childs death.

Removing Assad :lol:

Jesus Christ, you're moronic.

Removing Gaddaffi and Hussein is what lead to this catastrophe in the first place, and you want to repeat the process? For some of these countries, you need dictators. Besides, Syria was a good place before this started. Sure, it wasn't democratic, but does that really matter when you have a relatively high standard of living and when you compare it to now?

The only reason it all kicked off was because the Sunni (extreme conservative Islam) majority was pissed off at Assad (who is an Alawite - minority Muslim sect) because he was trying to modernise and Westernise the country. Assad had the backing of the Shia's, the Christians, Alawites and other minority groups because they know that if the Sunni terrorists (Free Syrian army, ISIS etc) get in charge then it's going to be a bloodbath.

You can read more here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208



You are aware that Assad is fighting ISIS?

You are right. We need to send peacekeepers and humanitarian aid to these countries and remove Assad who is buying oil from ISIS.

I understand what you are saying and you make a good point, but at the end of the day these stories are REAL. The emotion in the people is real. Sometimes these events lead to policy change or a change in the way people view a situation. I wouldn't necessarily call that "blackmail" although I understand where you are coming from. I would agree that people do exploit these things for political gain. Someone also compared the photo to the famous one of the "napalm girl". That photo helped change public opinion about the Vietnam war. A photo of a child suffering at the hands of the failures created by adults is very powerful, and something that resonates with me because my daughter is the same age as that dead kid.

I don't profess to know the solution to this problem. I think that guy and his gumballs makes a good point. We should be doing more to PREVENT the need for people to seek refuge, by doing more in their country, but most things are out of our and the west's hands.

Easy to be empathetic behind a computer screen.



Of course it's real, but its just been exploited by politicians to justify their insane policies. Cameron did a complete 180 when he saw the photo, because it was pure emotional blackmail. Are these the type of people you want leading your countries?

We've seen it before and we'll see it again: when there is backlash to this unsustainable arrival of "refugees", the media will push another tragic photo very hard to guilt trip politicians and the general public (see: dead kid on beach, Syrian dad crying with his daughter when he landed in Greece).

Edited by 433: 6/9/2015 12:34:35 PM

There is a dedicated thread to climate change.

Why is it derailing the thread?
Barack Obama has stated that global warming is the single greatest issue facing mankind, amongst many other politicians.
Its front & centre of politics.

In B4 Bob Carr quotes.

"I'm not a scientist but I'm going to publicly say as an elected official that the phenomenon which they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is wrong because I disagree with it"

4.5 billion years of evolution folks

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-06/liberal-party-members-urged-to-back-online-sharing-services/6753048

The bolded highlights what I stated the other day - the reason right wingers comprise the bulk of climate change denial in the population is because acceptance would mean their world view, including the perceived benefits of capitalism and the need for minimal government interference, would be shattered.
It's no wonder the libertarian organisation - the Institute for Public Affairs who are a major Think Tank for the Liberal Party are also climate change deniers.

So how bout them Aussie politics.

-PB

Just trying to clarify, by saying political propaganda, are you implying that "dead kid" didn't happen?

Or was staged?

Or do you think there really was a kid who drowned alone, probably freezing and terrified in his final moments?

Thankfully, not all jews are Zionists or enablers. Miko Peled son of an Israeli general is a brave honest man to go against the grain, condemning and exposing the actions of Zionist criminals.

[youtube]oCKWDarNdGw[/youtube]

Literally couldn't care less about Israel and the politics of the joint. In 10 000 years time they'll still be arguing and fighting over there.

Even easier to be a heartless, selfish pig behind a computer screen.



A contender for most distasteful post of the year. I felt ill reading it.


Edited by munrubenmuz: 6/9/2015 06:38:38 PM

I certainly don't do too much but many do lots to help out.

I used to tutor refugee children. I'm starting to think I'd be suited to a job (or at least part time voluntary work) which involves helping refugees out.

I give to charities regularly. I don't make much money (at least, not at the minute) and I pay my taxes. So it wouldn't be a case of me paying nothing. Although I can, undoubtedly, do more.

It's not about self-satisfaction from helping others. There are some people whose lives are fucked. Genuinely fucked. Imagine if you were in their shoes.

No more Thatcherite bullshit.

You're better than making strawman arguments.

This is rather silly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't help suspecting that you, of all people, would be disgusted if Australia was a Catholic or CofE state? Based on what you've written elsewhere, I can't help suspecting that's the case. I, and most others, would agree with you there. So why is it fine for there to be a Jewish state?

You do realise it's possible to have no issue with Jewish people but to be morally opposed to the actions of the state of Israel.

And yes, speaking out against "Zionism" is not racist. The actions of those who claim to be "Zionists" mean that the position of criticising (even opposing) Zionism is perfectly morally acceptable. It doesn't amount to Antisemitism. Being anti-Israel and Antisemitic aren't one and the same.

There are Jewish people who oppose the actions of the state of Israel. It's a pity that too many support the state of Israel but still some can see sense.

I'll give you an example. This example is antiquated but absurdly prescient.

Sir Isaac Isaacs, Australia's first Australian-born governor-general, and one of the greatest ever Australian statesmen, who died just before the state of Israel was established wrote that it ought never to exist.

I've copied and pasted from Wikipedia here. These were the grounds of Isaacs' objections to political Zionism:

1) A negation of Democracy, and an attempt to revert to the Church-State of bygone ages.
2) Provocative anti-Semitism.
3) Unwarranted by the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate, or any other right; contrary to Zionist assurances to Britain and to the Arabs and in present conditions unjust to other Palestinians politically and to other religions.
4) As regards unrestricted immigration, a discriminatory and an undemocratic camouflage for a Jewish State.
5) An obstruction to the consent of the Arabs to the peaceful and prosperous settlement in Palestine of hundreds of thousands of suffering European Jews, the victims of Nazi atrocities; and provocative of Moslem antagonism within and beyond the Empire, and consequently a danger to its integrity and safety.
6) Inconsistent in demanding on one hand, on a basis of a separate Jewish nationality everywhere Jews are found, Jewish domination in Palestine, and at the same time claiming complete Jewish equality elsewhere than in Palestine, on the basis of a nationality common to the citizens of every faith.

Sir Isaac Isaacs said 'the Zionist movement as a whole...now places its own unwarranted interpretation on the Balfour Declaration, and makes demands that are arousing the antagonism of the Moslem world of nearly 400 millions, thereby menacing the safety of our Empire, endangering world peace and imperiling some of the most sacred associations of the Jewish, Christian, and Moslem faiths. Besides their inherent injustice to others these demands would, I believe, seriously and detrimentally affect the general position of Jews throughout the world'

What a clever bloke. He envisaged every problem the world would face today as a result of the creation of the state of Israel. In the creation of Israel (and subsequently), Zionists were guilty of crimes every bit as bad as those the Nazis inflicted upon the Jews in the Holocaust (albeit not on the same scale). Going through villages and butchering every Arab man, woman and child in those villages in the name of protecting themselves makes me want to vomit. It's sickening.

The worst part is that, without any doubt, the Holocaust was one of the most disgusting things to have happened in human history. Zionists have used the legacy of it to displace and kill other innocent people and for political gain. That's as distasteful as anything could ever be.

Will you house them in your home? Or will you rely on other people to pay for it so you can feel good about yourself? Besides, the majority of these people are not refugees. Less than 20% are from Syria, most of the rest are Sub-saharan African economic migrants.

Also, it's evident that "escaping war" is a false pretense. Why are they trying to leave Turkey, Hungary, Greece, Romania etc if they're safe, and going to Germany and Sweden?

Watch this video, and you'll realise that what we can contribute is literally fuck all:

[youtube]LPjzfGChGlE[/youtube]


Edited by 433: 6/9/2015 01:04:21 AM

I believe it has something to do with common human decency. There's every reason they should do (not that Australia is some paradigm of virtue, in that respect)

Seem to like putting the boot into "zionists" and the "illuminati" so I was sort of just making the logical jump.

McBumrubz has lost it. That's if he ever had it to begin with. Quite funny tbh.

He's part of the "illuminati".

Is holocaust denial a string you've added to your bow?

Give it a rest. We're not in America where that shit flies. Find a stormfront website and get it all out of your system there and save us the grief.

Nice conspiracy theory.

How many have Israel taken. Zero.

Which is ironic considering all the destabilisation and war policy in the middle east has pretty much revolved around hurting Israels enemies. Not to mention the contradiction in their actions like vehemently prescribing diversity and mass immigration to other nations yet having one of the strictest programs in the world to remain a militant Jewish state.

They're not stupid, and there is no reason that they should.

Edited by 433: 5/9/2015 05:09:43 PM

Other than the rich Middle Eastern nations, other wealthy nations Russia, Japan, Singapore and South Korea have all offered a grand total of 0 places for refugees as well. What's up with that?