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Joffa wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground 2000 average crowds are quite decent, how many would they get in a A-League or a B- League? The crowds ranged between 1000 for the low drawing matches and up to 2800 which we got for our final regular season fixture vs APIA which was the Minor Premiership deciding match, We played Sydney FC on a terrible Saturday night getting 4-4.5k Our 1st final drew 4.5-5k vs Sydney United The NSWPL Grand Final vs Sydney United drew 12k So taking that all in there would be more if Sydney Olympic were in some sort of official 2nd division and more again if they were in the a-league
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FortressBelmore wrote:Joffa wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground 2000 average crowds are quite decent, how many would they get in a A-League or a B- League? The crowds ranged between 1000 for the low drawing matches and up to 2800 which we got for our final regular season fixture vs APIA which was the Minor Premiership deciding match, We played Sydney FC on a terrible Saturday night getting 4-4.5k Our 1st final drew 4.5-5k vs Sydney United The NSWPL Grand Final vs Sydney United drew 12k So taking that all in there would be more if Sydney Olympic were in some sort of official 2nd division and more again if they were in the a-league Olympic's first home game last year against Wolves had 400 people. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5222&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] (copy the entire link to see for yourselves) The next improved to 815 against Manly. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5253&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] Check the match reports, that's what I did it took me 3 minutes. A response of "...but we lie about our crowds" is not valid, if anything they in all likelihood rounded those numbers up - not down. Infact Olympic stopped reporting their numbers after this Manly game. I went to one game at Belmore last year during the season and there was not more than 400 fans that night, with our away support being atleast 1/3 of the crowd. Olympic would have been lucky to average 600 people last year. The biggest drawing club in terms of home support is Sutherland Sharks because of all the mummies and daddies waiting for little kiddy to run around at half time. The most amusing sight at Seymour Shaw though is the sight of the grandstand emptying while the second half is starting. The point is, no other NSWPL club is demanding to be instated into the A-League because all the other clubs realise you cant be a sustainable financial entity when the amount of people paying at the gate is a 3 digit figure. The benefit of some of the other clubs though is that they represent their town - Sutherland, Manly, Blacktown, or ethnic clubs who attempt to represent their town - Parramatta Melita, Rockdale, formerly Bankstown. Who exactly do Olympic represent? Who could they ever potentially represent? The answer is their former/current Greek constituency. Ethnic clubs all have the same problem: the first generation of fans have begun dying out, the second generation do not care anymore, and the third generation of which do not have the desire nor the need to identify with a ethnic club.
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batfink
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The benefit of some of the other clubs though is that they represent their town - Sutherland, Manly, Blacktown,parramatta or ethnic clubs who attempt to represent their town -, Rockdale, formerly Bankstown.
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Parramatta cut ties with the maltese community in 2010/11 when they were purchased by the GDSFA and the board were dumped. there is no melita since they were dumped in 2011 now its just "Parramatta FC" has been for 2 years.......
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FortressBelmore
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aussietarfan wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Joffa wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground 2000 average crowds are quite decent, how many would they get in a A-League or a B- League? The crowds ranged between 1000 for the low drawing matches and up to 2800 which we got for our final regular season fixture vs APIA which was the Minor Premiership deciding match, We played Sydney FC on a terrible Saturday night getting 4-4.5k Our 1st final drew 4.5-5k vs Sydney United The NSWPL Grand Final vs Sydney United drew 12k So taking that all in there would be more if Sydney Olympic were in some sort of official 2nd division and more again if they were in the a-league Olympic's first home game last year against Wolves had 400 people. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5222&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] (copy the entire link to see for yourselves) The next improved to 815 against Manly. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5253&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] Check the match reports, that's what I did it took me 3 minutes. A response of "...but we lie about our crowds" is not valid, if anything they in all likelihood rounded those numbers up - not down. Infact Olympic stopped reporting their numbers after this Manly game. I went to one game at Belmore last year during the season and there was not more than 400 fans that night, with our away support being atleast 1/3 of the crowd. Olympic would have been lucky to average 600 people last year. The biggest drawing club in terms of home support is Sutherland Sharks because of all the mummies and daddies waiting for little kiddy to run around at half time. The most amusing sight at Seymour Shaw though is the sight of the grandstand emptying while the second half is starting. The point is, no other NSWPL club is demanding to be instated into the A-League because all the other clubs realise you cant be a sustainable financial entity when the amount of people paying at the gate is a 3 digit figure. The benefit of some of the other clubs though is that they represent their town - Sutherland, Manly, Blacktown, or ethnic clubs who attempt to represent their town - Parramatta Melita, Rockdale, formerly Bankstown. Who exactly do Olympic represent? Who could they ever potentially represent? The answer is their former/current Greek constituency. Ethnic clubs all have the same problem: the first generation of fans have begun dying out, the second generation do not care anymore, and the third generation of which do not have the desire nor the need to identify with a ethnic club. LOL Dont make me laugh, "Sutherland gets the highest drawing home support" Thats why Sydney Olympic has topped the highest average attendances in the NSWPL for the last 3 seasons As for crowd attendances that state 900 you obviously have never heard of MEMBERSHIPS who dont count as paying patrons on match days, and the sizable number of U16s who do not pay and get in for free As for who they represent, Sydney Olympic has always represented the Canterbury/Marrickville and St George areas, I guess you've never heard of the NSL which lasted 30 years and Sydney Olympic always had good support from these regions
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FortressBelmore wrote: As for crowd attendances that state 900 you obviously have never heard of MEMBERSHIPS who dont count as paying patrons on match days, and the sizable number of U16s who do not pay and get in for free
So you're saying attendance is only pay at the gate customers,really? How many members do you have?
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FortressBelmore
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Thats right? FNSW only counts the amount of tickets cut (paid for) for the match
So as i stated earlier in a low drawing crowd of 1000, FNSW would report 500-600 crowd, Olympic sold nearly 1000 season passes last season, which doesnt include the over 500 life members of the club who dont pay entry fee, plus as i said u16s who get in for free.
Now its impossible to gauge the exact crowds after the 'official' (admission tickets sold) FNSW crowd figures, but its always more than they 'officially report'
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aussietarfan wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Joffa wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground 2000 average crowds are quite decent, how many would they get in a A-League or a B- League? The crowds ranged between 1000 for the low drawing matches and up to 2800 which we got for our final regular season fixture vs APIA which was the Minor Premiership deciding match, We played Sydney FC on a terrible Saturday night getting 4-4.5k Our 1st final drew 4.5-5k vs Sydney United The NSWPL Grand Final vs Sydney United drew 12k So taking that all in there would be more if Sydney Olympic were in some sort of official 2nd division and more again if they were in the a-league Olympic's first home game last year against Wolves had 400 people. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5222&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] (copy the entire link to see for yourselves) The next improved to 815 against Manly. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5253&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] Check the match reports, that's what I did it took me 3 minutes. A response of "...but we lie about our crowds" is not valid, if anything they in all likelihood rounded those numbers up - not down. Infact Olympic stopped reporting their numbers after this Manly game. I went to one game at Belmore last year during the season and there was not more than 400 fans that night, with our away support being atleast 1/3 of the crowd. Olympic would have been lucky to average 600 people last year. The biggest drawing club in terms of home support is Sutherland Sharks because of all the mummies and daddies waiting for little kiddy to run around at half time. The most amusing sight at Seymour Shaw though is the sight of the grandstand emptying while the second half is starting. The point is, no other NSWPL club is demanding to be instated into the A-League because all the other clubs realise you cant be a sustainable financial entity when the amount of people paying at the gate is a 3 digit figure. The benefit of some of the other clubs though is that they represent their town - Sutherland, Manly, Blacktown, or ethnic clubs who attempt to represent their town - Parramatta Melita, Rockdale, formerly Bankstown. Who exactly do Olympic represent? Who could they ever potentially represent? The answer is their former/current Greek constituency. Ethnic clubs all have the same problem: the first generation of fans have begun dying out, the second generation do not care anymore, and the third generation of which do not have the desire nor the need to identify with a ethnic club. I have not seen Olympic draw anything less then 900 at Belmore - up to 4,500 for the larger matches (not including the GF).
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ralerasic
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No chance of 4500 for the larger matches.
Anyway the argument is irrelevant to your A-League bid, cause it ain't happening. Never ever!
Olympic may be an "ideal" as you say and a big club in the NSWPL BUT IT WILL NEVER grace the national stage again.
And I PHUCKEN love it that Olympic are forced to play in the NSWPL with the rest of us.
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Minimalistix
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Fuck off Anthony, no1 cares what u think EDIT: Please keep all posts in English please.
Edited by Joffa: 8/3/2012 06:02:24 PM
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batfink
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Olympic1 wrote:aussietarfan wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Joffa wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground 2000 average crowds are quite decent, how many would they get in a A-League or a B- League? The crowds ranged between 1000 for the low drawing matches and up to 2800 which we got for our final regular season fixture vs APIA which was the Minor Premiership deciding match, We played Sydney FC on a terrible Saturday night getting 4-4.5k Our 1st final drew 4.5-5k vs Sydney United The NSWPL Grand Final vs Sydney United drew 12k So taking that all in there would be more if Sydney Olympic were in some sort of official 2nd division and more again if they were in the a-league Olympic's first home game last year against Wolves had 400 people. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5222&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] (copy the entire link to see for yourselves) The next improved to 815 against Manly. http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5253&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=1] Check the match reports, that's what I did it took me 3 minutes. A response of "...but we lie about our crowds" is not valid, if anything they in all likelihood rounded those numbers up - not down. Infact Olympic stopped reporting their numbers after this Manly game. I went to one game at Belmore last year during the season and there was not more than 400 fans that night, with our away support being atleast 1/3 of the crowd. Olympic would have been lucky to average 600 people last year. The biggest drawing club in terms of home support is Sutherland Sharks because of all the mummies and daddies waiting for little kiddy to run around at half time. The most amusing sight at Seymour Shaw though is the sight of the grandstand emptying while the second half is starting. The point is, no other NSWPL club is demanding to be instated into the A-League because all the other clubs realise you cant be a sustainable financial entity when the amount of people paying at the gate is a 3 digit figure. The benefit of some of the other clubs though is that they represent their town - Sutherland, Manly, Blacktown, or ethnic clubs who attempt to represent their town - Parramatta Melita, Rockdale, formerly Bankstown. Who exactly do Olympic represent? Who could they ever potentially represent? The answer is their former/current Greek constituency. Ethnic clubs all have the same problem: the first generation of fans have begun dying out, the second generation do not care anymore, and the third generation of which do not have the desire nor the need to identify with a ethnic club. I have not seen Olympic draw anything less then 900 at Belmore - up to 4,500 for the larger matches (not including the GF). when we played them last year there was no where near 900 there maybe 500
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FortressBelmore wrote:Thats right? FNSW only counts the amount of tickets cut (paid for) for the match
So as i stated earlier in a low drawing crowd of 1000, FNSW would report 500-600 crowd, Olympic sold nearly 1000 season passes last season, which doesnt include the over 500 life members of the club who dont pay entry fee, plus as i said u16s who get in for free.
Now its impossible to gauge the exact crowds after the 'official' (admission tickets sold) FNSW crowd figures, but its always more than they 'officially report' FNSW dont count anything. They give an estimate. I've been to more than enough Olympic games to know that you blokes pull figures out of nowhere
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Greekenomics?
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Minimalistix wrote:Fuck off Anthony, no1 cares what u think EDIT: Please keep all posts in English please. I only speak facts my friend, and if that bothers you well then so be it. Edited by Joffa: 8/3/2012 06:02:45 PM
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Minimalistix
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1. Your not my friend 2. I guess I don't blame you for being an arxidi since you're the descendent of Ephialtes.
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FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground It's a pity for you guys the media and the fans don't see it like that.
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ralerasic wrote:No chance of 4500 for the larger matches.
Anyway the argument is irrelevant to your A-League bid, cause it ain't happening. Never ever!
Olympic may be an "ideal" as you say and a big club in the NSWPL BUT IT WILL NEVER grace the national stage again.
And I PHUCKEN love it that Olympic are forced to play in the NSWPL with the rest of us. The funny thing is that they have delusions of grandeur and feel they deserve to play in the top national league. These delusions stem not from the club but from the fans.
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ralerasic wrote:Greekenomics? :lol:
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T-UNIT wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground It's a pity for you guys the media and the fans don't see it like that. LOL. What media would that be?
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FortressBelmore wrote:T-UNIT wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Out of the 2000 average home crowds Olympic got last season, I would say that 2000 of them were AUSTRALIANS, but hey the club doesnt stamp passports on the way into the ground It's a pity for you guys the media and the fans don't see it like that. LOL. What media would that be? The tiny bits of media that apparently justifies Sydney LOLympic supporters views that their club deserves to play in the A-League.
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Minimalistix
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T-unit, u can cut the crap, we all know the reason why ur against this push.
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T-UNIT
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Minimalistix wrote:T-unit, u can cut the crap, we all know the reason why ur against this push. And why is that??
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Cause of our ethnic hatred.
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T-UNIT
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Minimalistix wrote:Cause of our ethnic hatred. I wouldnt want to see ANY ethnic club play in the A-League because it would just be the NSL over again. That comp failed because it didnt have enough commercial appeal to attract a decent market because of the ethnic nature of most of the teams. But then again, it is only the Greek-backed clubs making some sort of effort to realise their dream of once again playing in the top national league. It must bruise your egos knowing you arent in the top flight and THATS why you guys are feeling the burn.
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FortressBelmore
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You're losing it buddy
Marconi in 2006 lobbied very hard to get into the a-league before the FFA gave them their ultimatum regarding inclusion, Marconi found that ultimatum unacceptable and refused and the FFA hasnt spoken to one of the great clubs in Australian Football since. DISGRACEFUL
And get over this Greek feeling hurt bullshit, it has nothing to do with it.
No one is feeling 'the burn' or has 'bruised egos' Sydney Olympic people feel that their club can offer something in the a-league, you obviously disagree which you are entitled to, and thats it
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T-UNIT wrote:Minimalistix wrote:Cause of our ethnic hatred. I wouldnt want to see ANY ethnic club play in the A-League because it would just be the NSL over again. That comp failed because it didnt have enough commercial appeal to attract a decent market because of the ethnic nature of most of the teams. But then again, it is only the Greek-backed clubs making some sort of effort to realise their dream of once again playing in the top national league. It must bruise your egos knowing you arent in the top flight and THATS why you guys are feeling the burn. has nothing to do with just Greek Back Clubbed making an effort, it just so happens that the two Greek based clubs were the biggest clubs in their respective States and both are ambitious.
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what beats me is the whole time i have been in this forum the ultra's and olympic fans have bagged and trashed the A-League telling us the NSL was better and bring back the NSL........
BUT now they are busting their balls to be a part of a competition that they to date rubbished and laid shit upon........
little bit confusing to me
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T-UNIT
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FortressBelmore wrote:You're losing it buddy
Marconi in 2006 lobbied very hard to get into the a-league before the FFA gave them their ultimatum regarding inclusion, Marconi found that ultimatum unacceptable and refused and the FFA hasnt spoken to one of the great clubs in Australian Football since. DISGRACEFUL
And get over this Greek feeling hurt bullshit, it has nothing to do with it.
No one is feeling 'the burn' or has 'bruised egos' Sydney Olympic people feel that their club can offer something in the a-league, you obviously disagree which you are entitled to, and thats it The only thing they can offer the A-League is club with a Greek/ethnic backing.
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You notice some people on here are totally obsessed with the ethnic thing - totally detached from reality.
To judge a team on its ethnic roots is like judging a prospective employee by his/her ethnic background. You ignore everything they can offer and cheat yourself and them.
The very same people calling Olympic Ethnic and saying you can never be part of the A-league - are the very same people who say "why dont you become a part of the Australian community". Well, we are, and we have... and they have paniced and reverted to old stereotypes to box us in.
See they dont want us to become "Australian" despite what they may say. As soon as you move to do so - they call you ethnic.
Well I'm Australian, my immediate family has been here for over 40 years. My extended family for over 70 years. My uncle fought for Australia in PNG during WW2 - but Im ethnic?
But how narrow minded and sad have we become that I have to justify that on this forum? Even if I came here yesterday - if I feel Australian, I am!
Edited by olympic1: 8/3/2012 01:52:05 PM
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Minimalistix wrote:Fuck off Anthony, no1 cares what u think EDIT: Please keep all posts in English please. I am over tauning you guys, and no mate I am not Anthony or Greek so can't even understand your abuse. Good luck with your A-League bid. Edited by Joffa: 8/3/2012 06:03:39 PM
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Nice denial mr football
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