so dont call me antisemetic.

we all know that both sides lay claim to the land, and we both have our ideas of who should be in control of the land. but get one thing straight, we have just as many historical landmarks as the israelis do and palestine has just as much claim to the land as they do.

I didn't. I simply stated that your anti-israeli sentiment oculd be interpreted that way.

I didn't realise this was a 'us' vs 'them' debate for you. Since when are you Palestinian? Yoru family really got around...South African, Zimbabwean, heritage on the sub-continent...

well it shouldnt be. i dont hate jews. i just hate the occupation of a land like palestine who have no defense and havnt been offered a chance



i meant 'we' as 'muslims'. yes i am zimbabwean. my ancestary is indian, but i was merely meaning muslims.

They spent two hundred years oppressing the Israelis until the English stepped in. How short your history lesson must have been.

So by 'we' I can include all english, americans and Swedes (for all the difference it makes) as atheists and say your opinion is politically incorect and niave?

Your only tie to Palestine is that you both read the same book once. :roll:

Soooooo.

Change of subject maybe... ? :P

Nah, I love seeing afro strut his smartness. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

Well, that is fun to watch from the outside, but it's just gonna turn into one big shitstorm racist thread which tends to happen once a month...

I think Afro needs to drop it. Its not your place to tell him that hes wrong in believing and thinking the things he does. Its HIS beliefs, if you disagree, so be it. But dont try to change him like a door-to-door catholic.

The Llounge can't turn into a shit-storm racist thread. It's survived for sooooooo long :lol:

Most of us have our heads screwed on here today.

Good news ladies and germs, someone picked up my Sunday shift, so I may be coming up to Sydney after all.

they spent 200 years oppressing israel, if you talking about salahuddin, then check your facts. salahuddin let all religions live in jerusalem. you do know that masjid al-aqsa was built long before it could even be called israel. you do know that israel has taken over much palestinian land in the past few decades that never actually belonged to israel in the first place. im not going to claim being an expert on this issue, but i do know that the palestinians are entitled to the land as much as the israelis are.



firstly i read from the same book five times a day. secondly, your attitude of jumping to conclusions and making assumptions is not good. i said we as in muslims. i never said the rest of the world is wrong. i said 'we' in almost the same way people will say 'we really stuffed up against liverpool', when talking about arsenal or united or chelsea (which would be a rarity to say this season). what tie does that person have and are you going to go around and start blasting them for doing such a thing. its a poor use of grammar.

And I may be in Melbourne next week \:d/

+1

Since the early 1800's, Isreali immigrants to 'the holy lands' where forced into slums. Historically this isn't well documented, not when you've got people blowing themselves up and organizasions like Irgun, but don't think it didn't happen. It wasn't documented because nobody cared. Western media was still reeling from WWII and didn't give a shit. They should have cared but then along came Korea. Don't get the idea that I agree with Israel's politics, but don't think Palestine are in any angelic position. These are the people who blow themselves up to prove their point. Kill people on the streets. Your use of "we", identifying yourself with these barbaric souls is grotesque. Your 'us vs them' mentality against the Israelis. Do you also abstain from American products because of what they've done in Afghanistan or Iraq against 'your people'? Or Russian products for what they've done to Georgian muslims, or Chechen Muslims? Or Sudan, do you make a stand for Sudanese Muslims? Israel are just an easy target.

And lets talk about jumping to conclusions, the jump you made implying that I said the rest of the world disagreed with you was a long stretch at best. To form a parallel between football and religion only reinforces my point, that you take a 'teams' approach and an 'us v them' mentality. You don't see it from the other side, you don't see it in shades of grey, you see it as black and white, and palestine is in the right.

I'm not trying to change your opinion as imno suggests, but make you see things from a different perspective.

\:d/

+1.

im not saying the israelis were once oppressed, i knew of it. palestine is being occupied more and more each day and yet you bringing up the past as if its justification.

they blow themselves up because they have no other way of defending themselves. you dont see them with an army or tanks or missiles and an air force like israel has. i could say the same about anyone who associates themselves with the israelis. is it not grotesque to kill another nation and take over its land. why yes i do try and refrain from american products. i dont think ive had many russian products tbh. like i said, if i could abstain from the product, i would, but if i have no other choice, then its not something i can worry about. ive said it before, im going to pretend im some massive saint by not supporting nokia and pretending im a big advocate for doing such things, but if the alternative is there then why not. its a small way of making a point heard.

well you certainly implied it more blatantly than i implied anything else. i always see things from the either side. every day when we pray and we make a prayer, i always ask that god give peace and free land for both israel and palestine. i only refer to palestine as us, and we consider all muslims to be our brothers and sisters. heck we considered everyone on earth to be our brothers and sisters. we try not to be divided by where we live and what we from, but rather that we all one and all should live in harmony.

the fact that you have to prove that others are always wrong, seems to tend that you feel we should all be perfect. you read too much into what people say and you seem to be looking to find fault for it all. it cant work that way.

These are getting too long to bother reading now :lol:

4chan is the place for racist, stupid arguments, not here

:lol: There's a difference?

There's no such thing as palestine anymore.

You blow up your siblings. There's logic for you.

Indeed. The discussion is interesting, but there was no need to take it down to that level. I suggest you both back off lest this get even worse.

So how goods that local sports team going

Ok DO NOT WATCH THIS IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH ETC.
This is the link to a video of the guy that died on the luge the smorning. The actual incident.
http://www.motionbox.com/videos/4c99dbb31f18ecc9c4
I feel sick after watching it and horrible.

:o That shits nasty!!!

you went too far now...way too far....


we dont want to blow up anyone, palestinians are only defending themselves.

i said from the start that i dont want to go into why i would prefer not to go nokia, but you had to press didnt you

theres a reason you have a P plate in your display pic.

Edited by zimbos_05: 13/2/2010 07:25:26 PM

So we successfully changed the subject and you bring it up again...


Discuss.

And you know very well that as soon as Afro comes back he's going to bring it up again too.

It is page 442. :)

Well hopefully we get to the next page and he might miss it.

OR HE SHOULD BE THE BIGGER MAN AND LET IT GO HINT HINT.