Shhh Craig Foster doesn't like elite academies. ;)

Barca,

He doesn't like overpriced academies that promise the world and deliver very little. Neither do I.

There are quite a few academies around that give academies a bad name. It's like anything nowdays. You have to sort the quality that can deliver from the sharks that only take your bucks.

So I respect that Fozzie has come across them. I did a lot of homework before I sent my lad to an academy and choosing a NSWPL club for his development. It's the fact that some people put ALL academies in the same boat which is not the case and is annoying. There are good ones around and crap ones.

Our system also creates this problem fozzie is talking about because the system is very limited and political and still ethnic based which fuels the desperation by parents to get their kids higher learning. It's similar to private and religous schools with high fees. Some parents will pay anything to give their kids this opportunity. Fozzie can't really blame the parents for doing whatever they can to give their kids the best opportunity. From a clubs perspective clubs cannot survive without the cash to pay players and coaches vital to keep their clubs in elite football. This is because FFA sets the guidelines, sets the system, sets the models and dictates to our state bodies.

Fozzie should be pointing the finger at the system that has created all this in the first place. Clubs are battling for their own survival and parents are battling for their kids future. It's the system letting them all down.

Kwabena Appiah and Mitchell Duke to name just 2 are products of a private academy and the central coast mariners. Both are signed to A-League first teams. Kwabena was one of the first three signed by wanderers. I know for a fact if it wasn't for a private academy and central coast mariners coach (Arnie) Kwabena would still be running around NSW super league going unnoticed and wasting his talents.

I also note that wanderers are trialling players that are not even considered good enough to be playing in a NSWPL first grade side and have no contract because wanderers also appear to be hand tied to some degree by the system.

Coever was also a past system adopted by FNSW that was completely shonky. They even tried to claim Harry Kewell as product and harry flately denied he'd ever been coever trained. So even the system FNSW adopted was shonky and corrupt.

The system is the big failure here and until it changes will continue produce failed results. But I doubt this because FFA have their butts firmly planted up their arse and life is just one big party in at FFA HQ at our expense. FFA is no less corrupt than FIFA's blatter destroying his political opponents. FFA did the same with the FNSW president as he was a threat and would not tow the FFA line.

If a Japanese scout complains he can't even get his players a trial at some NSWPL clubs then there still exists racists clubs in our second tier which feeds the a-league and he openly explained this too me. I told him i've seen this for over 30 years and nothing new to me but hearing it from a person from Japan was the big surprise. Fortunately he found a top club that has signed them and they are kicking arse in the NSWPL.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 3/8/2012 12:37:22 AM

I can throw some light on this subject straight from Australasian Coerver's head of operations.

Our club was going to bring to Coerver to Tasmania, and still intend to do it.

The Aussie Coerver head is a mate of Han Berger's. Coerver still claim Kewell is Coerver trained. At the time, Kewell's agent, was it Bernie Mandic?, wanted more money from Coerver for Kewell to endorse the Coerver Coaching model. They couldn't agree to terms. I remember the interview where Kewell repudiated Coerver.

According to Coerver, they claim Arjen Robben, Gareth Bale, Zenden, Peter Crouch, Terry Antonis, Tom Rogic and Ljubo's teammate, Steven Lustica, are all Coerver trained.

FFA's Tassie SAP and Skillaroos trainer has verified Rogic as Coerver trained. There is probably a consensus amongst FFA coaches that Coerver trained players are often our best technicians, but they also contend their decision making is not at the same level.

So Aussiesrus, FFA have used world Coerver head , Alf Galustian, to assist in drafting the FFA SAP and Skillaroos programs.

I'm probably going to be in some pretty remote areas for a some time, so I'll check this thread out some time again in the future.







[i]Edited by Decentric: 6/8/2012 08:58:14 AM

So from all the australians that have been through the coerver training system you can only come up with 3 aussies who in your opinion are of note?

Rogic was made by the "nike second chance". If coerver was any good he would not have to go through the nike second chance lottery. A club would have picked him well before.

In a nutshell your just providing evidence that coerver was rubbish and any other spin off of coever is also rubbish.

Coever sucked millions from the FNSW coffers and put thousands of kids through it's system and you can only come up with 3 players?. It's quite simply crap. I knew some very high up coever coaches who said it was rubbish but didn't care because it paid their wages.

Terry Antonis is the u/20 socceroo captain and had his teams arse handed to them on a platter by japan 5-0 recently and has proved nothing so far other than he can take up space, steven who? never heard of him, Ljubo is a complete fruitcake...

Arjen Robben and Co would have been stars even if they went to cake baking school. In fact they would probably be better players if they avoided coerver and went to margaret fultons cooking classes instead.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 6/8/2012 01:59:42 PM

These were the ones the Australasian head of Coerver lauded as Coerver graduates, not me.

Who were the Coerver coaches?

What are their current roles in football?

Coerver is very big in Japan, according to Coerver Coaching.

Of course one needs to be selective. I've seen one Coerver drill that was poor. It involved too many players watching two players complete a 1v1drill. There were too many inactive players. This phenomenon is not exclusive to Coerver though. I've also seen Norm Boardman be guilty of this,the same as a W League coach and a NTC coach.

Generally Coerver exercises are useful. When you last set out your training ground practice, you had a few in yours!:)

Edited by Decentric: 7/8/2012 12:06:13 AM

Edited by Decentric: 7/8/2012 12:08:37 AM

Coerver, money making machine that passed it's use-by date over 10 years ago.

No surprises that it's now just finding it's way to the hotbed of strayan sockah dev, tasmania.

There's an idiot born every minute.....possibly every 30 seconds in tassie.

When I return from my remote location, with access to limited technology, towards the end of the month, I'll post a number of Coerver training ground videos for you to deconstruct, Chips.

You can explain why they are obsolete or unsuitable for the training ground.

You can explain how you would improve them.

You can also explain what you would do instead.

You can redeem yourself from the ignominy of your refresher FFA Youth Licence failure, which is a very basic community course. A bit of hubris on your part didn't help your cause. Eventually, this led to Blacktown's Ken Schembri deeming you unworthy of carrying his cones.

Yet you still carry on exuding considerable hubris as a former self-proclaimed great coach, trolling, and denigrating most attempts by other coaches to improve training ground practices.







Edited by Decentric: 7/8/2012 11:07:15 PM

you have no credibility Judy
remember how you went on about short slow and game skills
4 years on try tall, super fast,silky skills and great game sense. =;

Now you've got me interested, what in your opinion is important excerises/drills/programs to train young soccer athletes?

Especially whats up to date or current.

Why do you waste your time responding to this sad, wannabe, neverwas, troll? He never answers a simple question, he just simply responds with a sad cliched bitter response. This was the old man that was shown the door by more clubs than he's had posts on FFT.

Han Berger speaking about the National curriculum, FFA National Competition Review and Elite Player Pathway Review.

Goes for about an hour and is quiet interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShGS7i15-fQ

So Mr Berger you want change.
You expect to get it using the same people who opposed you the most ie Paul Lonton.
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Why are officals of state federations and FFA not on fixed term contracts, if they are shit then dont renew, works elsewhere in the world why not the peoples republic of aus.
Heard the term 442 going to be used as youth development and not 433 by an apl club as the players can get 433 .

great find needs a thread of its own.

Changed here are the other parts I just found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75oc4EyJJvw Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKH6TSV3eOU Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3irVf3TUiDc Part 4


Edited by Arthur: 27/10/2012 12:15:32 AM

I watched all 4 even saw lonton in the audience.
Here is the problem what i saw localy last season was an absolute disgrace and anti player development.
The same people will be there next season so what will change.NOTHING
Although these people know what they have done,failed to do and what is expected of them,Nothing will change because there is no accountability.The coaches who should be there will not be there because they did not bow to the demands of wealthy,powerful,influential parents.
and I bet this is happening across the country. [-x [-x [-x [-x [-x

Just finished watching all four all I can say is I understand the rational of what they've done, the FFA and State Federations.

But all I can say is that you cannot just turn a switch on and expect to get high quality or better quality than what you had.

At the same time why are we still trying to identify players at 12 and 11 years of age when all the evidence says you cannot?
Just as Han Berger describes in part two with Relative Age Effect.

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Who is apparently doing this identification, at which level, and who is missing out?

But do agree about your references to age i.e. 12 is bordering on being a bit late.

Relative Age Effect is mentioned multiple times throughout the National Curriculum, too, and I don't understand how it can possible note that there is a problem with doing it in relation to RAE, yet still insist that it continues to be done that way.

However, this can be countered with better coaching throughout the country. The better and more widespread the coaching, the less we need these "talented player pathways," the more we'll see these players become elite through natural development and the less chance we'll have of missing those players for the new generation of A-League/Socceroos.

At least, that's the dream.

Very wise commnent. Hopefully moving forward with more and better coaches there will be less reliance on the "talented pathways".

Sage comment, Steelinho.

This is how I perceive things too. The state FFA Game Development Officer, who is also the state head SAP coach, also believes in this mantra.

The better skilled Aussie club coaches are, the better for players. Ultimately, the SAP/Skillaroos Program was conceived by Berger, because he didn't trust a lot of coaches to deliver what he wanted them to.

I'd like to think that our Community Football Program is augmenting the SAP/Skillaroos, except that we are providing opportunities to players regardless of ability. We also teach some explicit technique too, unlike the SAP.