Totally agree.
Will never forget the drivel and spin Fraser produced when he went on this site when he was questioned about the price hike.
He almost single handedly destroyed your club. It was yuck to see your club go from playing Sydney in season 2-3 getting 18-25,000 to 7,000 matches which was one of your biggest rivals.
Thank god you guys had some on field success. Those few who stuck around certaintly deserved it ;)
I think loyal Perth fans may be the next in line.

Edited by aussie pride: 29/9/2012 12:54:03 PM

They won't average 10k, probably crowds around the 7k mark i reckon.

i thought WSW were suppose to have thousands upon thousands ready to be signed up.. =d>

Edited by tribina: 28/9/2012 09:07:09 PM

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 3000 (September 26th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9902 (September 28th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 8000 (September 24th)
Victory 16800 (September 28th)
Wellington 3000 (September 28th)
West Sydney 2500 (September 27th)

Btw the Wellington number isn't accurate just basing it on someone saying last year when they bought tickets before the game and the PAX started at 2000 so 2000x1.5 = 3000 so it is a very rough estimate

Great thing for WSW too is Parra Stadium - only 20k-ish and I foresee a very similar scenario mirroring Melbourne Victory when they were at Olympic Park. Though ofcourse Victory's memberships were near filling Olympic Park on their own by time of the move to Telstra and then their own stadium. Obviously Wanderers may take quite a while to track that far if at all. But it's still achievable!

Especially with so many NSW rivalries - Mariners, Jets and SFC - that's 3 home games a season where the full house sign should be instantly up!

Not to be a downer though - but some will rightly argue some of these 'new members' Roar and SFC are signing up with their 'record numbers' are fans who are regulars anyway on regular tickets or what not. Clearly not ALL are - but I mean to say some are regulars anyway, just are buying memberships, getting into being a fully fledged member now, or even again?

Heck - that's still not a bad thing or what ever, all win-win, but I mean to say it's not exactly '+1' on the crowd average, but maybe a 'move across.'

But don't worry, I understand, the guaranteed income of the fan buying the membership etc definitely helps make a difference as too helps reflect better the club's fan base and level of success converting casuals into fans.

But flipside again - With the levels of growth at both clubs and the factors behind that, esp Roar with their success, you definitely get a sense many you are converting could be from all sorts of backgrounds including a few genuinely new fans who came on-board Ange era perhaps? And Sydney too - they were lax in the past, but have been working more on memberships the past few seasons, so their hard work pays off more now.

The difference is in thousands here and even in terms of significant % here - figures and terms like 25%, 40% growth and what not. It's not just a growth of a few hundred or even a k, it's significant. Still 'low base' does factor in a little though, especially with Roar.

Potential, capacity, take up only being exploited now. Once you get to a certain mark, probably that 9-10k mark, then you might see slower growth over the seasons as you enter the true 'needing to convert/new fans' market phase or what not that the 'Southern Clubs' have been in the last few seasons. So you guys certainly are playing 'catch up' in some ways.



Oh yeah - but that was Archie Fraser's doing?! Did not know that! I thought it was related to the cost of stadium rent at Suncorp and that didn't change till the FFA had to intervene and suddenly the Stadium agreement was re-negotiated? GCU had same problems at Skilled too.

I was only looking at a list of Roar attendances other day, thanks to this thread and indeed, once more reflects that notorious period - it can be so hard to win fans back once you've put them off like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Roar_FC_records_and_statistics#Home_attendances_by_season

Your team is STILL only JUST recovering from that disaster of a decision. Thankfully you had Ange's era of success and it's got your team on track. Bakries being owners too gives a stability and independence you struggled for during that era of financial struggles/Coffee Club leaving and owner uncertainty.

Just realised too - You had nearly a quarter of a million fans in total turn out last season. You are on track to meet and maybe even exceed that cumulative total this season. IF you guys meet the circ 18k crowd average of season 3 then you may draw even 30-40k more than last season!

What also, EVEN MORE impressive about last season was that your minimum crowd was your highest 'lowest attendance' second only to season two - 9,200 fans with Season two being 10k mark.

Season 2/3 is even more extra-ordinary when you compare to the Membership increase and other factors that drove down the overall average to below the crowd minimum of Season 2 even and that Season 5 8k-ish average was nearly a full 10k below the record 18.5k of Season 3, just two season before.

And with a member base higher than ever and growing, things sure should look promising for your team.

Edited by gloryperth: 28/9/2012 08:07:10 AM

Absolutely. Brisbane and both Sydney clubs will likely have similar member/crowd ratios (may be skewed temporarily for SFC with Del Piero, but going on past numbers), have similar lack of membership culture in those cities.

Hopefully bodes well for our crowds this season working off such a high membership base compared to the past.

10K crowds is the pass mark for WSW.
If Brisbane can have 3K members and average 15K, no reason Wanderers can average 10K with 2.5K members

People are quick to forget that thanks to Archie Fraser's price hike a few years ago, about half our membership base up and left. We went from ~3k down to 1.5k and stayed there for a couple of years. Nobody should overlook what an excellent effort it's been to raise it from there to the level it is at.

Of course, now sustainable, long-term policies are in place on and off the pitch, that number can only grow.

Hmm, may've been a slow down since SydneyCroatia and Mack were talking circa 2k a month or so ago?

But look - Guys, it just shows the hard yards involved! They don't grow on trees!

People are talking 7k for Heart too - wouldn't be surprised to hear calls of 'that's disappointing/crap' there too, let alone for Roar too, who probably still cop a battering - '5k? You kidding?!'

They're all growing from '0,' IF that - infact it may be a step to 'even reach 0' such are the struggles to set up and establish a club in this competitive marketplace.

There are no givens, no build it and they will come. Less we repeat Gold Coast United all over again.

Wanderers, Heart, Roar and the rest need to work, but it's also a 'slow burn.'

The good signs I can see is most clubs are making steady, gains on gains and have so last couple seasons.

Roar may be coming from a low base, but like RL25 suggested, that's still amazing growth IMHO and shows good signs for Roar heading in the right direction.

Some people talk like club's should be getting 9-10k instantly (Not saying you Joffa)?! But for many of these clubs in tougher markets, who had bad starts too, that kind of threshold may still be a season or two away, and even then on the proviso of reasonable success on the field, and continued hard work of it. Like Roar, Sydney and others have experienced, it can be undone if you drop the ball, put prices up or what not.

If Wanderers still have 3k members come start of season then that's still a great start, despite the short start up time as club, mixed pre-season and the poor membership culture that still exists in Sydney and which Sydney are still building up from too - Good job they're doing too, pushing record numbers even before talk of ADP! And again, if Wanderers are even half those numbers (3.5/4k), then shows they are still tracking well, given the Sydney landscape!

Also - they haven't even taken the park yet - many would be pundits may be 'waiting and see' - it's during the season and second season Wanderers may start to see some more added on gains as good word of mouth spreads, friends bring friends, positive rep grows? Football fans in the West are no mugs - The Wanderers will have to prove themselves and that means playing some decent football and hosting a good, positive, occasion at every Parra game they host.

This is 'bottom up' growth stuff. Not insta-grow - that was always the plan with this one, slow and steady. Aslong as steady IS steady - something is happening, work is being done! Club may be small operation - club itself may expand as it naturally grows, they can only do so much with the handful of people they probably have at the moment?



Phoenix seem to be a mystery of the cosmos, don't they? I saw Herbert's 50% growth comment on TWG too, that week or two ago - I presume that may mean a figure around 3k - but that's purely from my rear! But presuming they had 1.5k before, that makes sense. Or even from 1k to 2k. I doubt their member base would be more than 4k, though you never know?! :o

I wonder how big their 'Yellow Fever' fan group is - they would contribute a fair chunk to that member base, you'd think?

Edited by gloryperth: 28/9/2012 04:15:56 AM

A solid but slightly disappointing figure

Was at the Wanderers game tonight against Bankstown City and they announced the Wanderers have reached 2500 members.

AU Members Club AGM?

beats me why we can't just email Matt Rossi and expect a proper answer?

Newcastle now sitting at 9,743.

Great effort and fantastic to see.

If so, that means the game has grown here - we had 23K in season 3.

We may know AUFC's numbers after 10/10.

:-k

:lol:

Those are really healthy numbers. =d>

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 3000 (September 26th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9528 (September 26th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 8000 (September 24th)
Victory 16453 (September 25th)
Wellington ?
West Sydney 2000 (September 12th)

Just a few notes as well, Wellington Phoenix are apparently up 50% on last year what ever that was for the same time. Not sure what that would be but probably somewhere between a jump from 2000 to 3000 and 3000 to 4500 but if someone has last years number post it on here.

Heart I'm assuming had a great membership drive on the family day if Scott Munn is saying that we should be looking at around 7000 before the first game.

Adelaide 2000 (August 10th)
Brisbane 5000 (September 20th)
Central Coast 2300 (August 10th)
Heart 4000 (September 12th)
Newcastle 9258 (September 20th)
Perth 5000 (August 10th)
Sydney 7000 (September 9th)
Victory 15905 (Septmber 20th)
Wellington ?
West Sydney 2000 (September 12th)

Nice

Scouse is claiming inside knowledge on 5,000+

Last year we went from 1,800 to 4,400 which is a really good increase, if we could continue on to 6,000 this year then I'd be happy

So how many do Brisbane have atm?

Sorry if this is a re-post, but this is an extract from an old Fox Sports article about BR's hopes and intentions for memberships and crowds this season:

I was the only guy at my work who had a Roar membership last year, so far this season I'm one of 3 at work, with another 4 saying they are considering it, but even if they don't get one they will still be attending the majority of games anyway.

Persistence eventually pays off, I think current members constantly pestering friends and workmates probably does more for membership sales then what the clubs marketing department could ever do

There was some talk a while back (2005) between Demons (AFL) and Storm (NRL) linking up, which included the possibility of join memberships as well as joint sponsorships. I don't know what became of it, but maybe Victory could look at bringing it up again with the other clubs. Then again, it would require the AFL, NRL and HAL administrators agreeing on something and supporting each other, so I'd give it about a 1% chance of success.

Plenty of Melbourne Victory supporters are fans of an AFL team, you can always hear talk of what's going on with AFL in the stadium in the lead up to kick off. Personally I follow both but football is my greater love.
Melbourne loves its sport, it would be very smart for Victory or Heart to try and negotiate some sort of partnership with the AFL but I can't see it ever happening.

Melbourne 15,905

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/melbournevictory/

Just consider the heat when buying on that side of the stadium. Generally, if there are a lot of 5.30pm games in dec to feb you are going to boil.

If you are thinking of getting a silver membership and looking to renew it year after year, just take that into account. The gold seating in the western stand is sold out for that reason and newcomers will find it hard to get in there.

Absolutely, you can buy many memberships in anyone's name if you wanted. If you call the memberships number they will be able to field the more specific questions you have but in general they are very flexible and helpful with the details and options of thier member packages.

No need to apologise, happy to help. Good luck!

Yes, I have two memberships in my name. Even if you don't go to the game, you can give both away for it.