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WHY CANNABIS IS STILL ILLEGAL

“It’s a weird thing you do… when you make nature illegal.” –Joe Rogan

by Noah Bonn

Cannabis Sativa, or as it is more commonly known, Marijuana. This is a subject that I’ve wanted to weigh in on for a while now. On the surface, it may appear to be a trivial issue, but the deeper you dig, the more the more it becomes apparent that the roots on this plant run deeper than we ever would have imagined…

I began exploring the bigger picture behind Cannabis a few months ago, already convinced from my own experience that

A) it is not a dangerous substance to have publicly available, and

B) that it is a naturally occurring part of nature- therefore, making it illegal intrinsically struck me as one of the crazier things our government has ever done (and boy is that ever saying something).

Debate around this issue generally centers on concepts like “the gateway” to other drugs, or the growing THC content of hybrid strains. Let me save you some suspense- marijuana laws are not, and have never been based on any kind of scientific data regarding physical or mental health.

In this article, I outline some of the lesser-know capacities of the Cannabis plant, and expose the financial interest which they threaten- for in case you haven’t noticed, this [socioeconomic control] is what is always comes back to. Cannabis laws were based on special (read: financial) interest when they were made, and stay in place for the same reason.

First things first, however, we should be clear on terminology. The word Hemp refers to strains of the Cannabis plant with THC concentrations which are so low that smoking it would have no noticeable effect. This is approximately 90% of the over 2000 known varieties of the plant in existence [4]. Marijuana, on the other hand, refers to that other 10%- that have higher concentrations of THC, and have noticeable psychotropic effects when ingested through various methods.

Okay, let’s get down to it:

1. Manufacturing Materials: Marijuana was made illegal on August 2nd, 1937 through the Marijuana Tax Act. Prominent supporters of the bill included William Randolph Hearst a newspaper tycoon who also had large investments in the timber industry, various cotton industrialists, and Dupont Chemical Company, which held the patent for nylon [3]. In all three cases, anyone who looks back on this issue can see the strong financial interest to make hemp fibers illegal, not because of any concern for public well-being, but for their own earnings sheets.

Today, cities and roads around the world are covered in concrete, houses are constructed with gypsum drywall, and all manner of commercial products are made with petroleum plastics. What do these materials all have in common?

1) They all contain considerable quantities of toxic chemicals and don’t biodegrade well

2) A more ecologically harmonious alternative exists for all of them… using hemp [1].

Imagine if old buildings could be demolished and sent to a composting facility. Imagine if you could simply toss a plastic bag into your backyard compost bin… these concepts can and will come to fruition when we begin to harness the power of this amazing plant.

2. Bio-Fuels: The unsuitability of petroleum-based fuel has gotten no shortage of attention. What people are far less aware of, however, is the diversity of viable solutions available to us. Every internal combustion engine currently in existence is already capable of running on a bio-diesel or ethanol fuel. Deriving these products from soy and corn, as has been most widely publicized, is not, in fact, our best option. Those more common methods rely on GMO agriculture, and petrochemicals (derived from fossil fuels) for production.

Fortunately there are much better alternatives for agricultural crops to create biofuels. Options include algae, certain strains of fungus, and, you guessed it, HEMP [2].

Between fuels and plastics, hemp has the potential to effectively rid us of our dependency on petroleum. Imagine that.

3. Medicine: With the growth of medical marijuana as a non-pharmaceutical alternative to treatment for many chronic pain conditions, people are beginning to question the non-holistic approach of big pharmacy. Thousands are now turning to naturally occurring THC rather than semi-synthetic opiates which are phenomenally more impairing of physiological and cognitive function. Greater still is the potential impact of Cannabidiol (CBD), a compound found in the leaves of the cannabis plant. It is one of the most powerful alkalizing, anti-inflammatory, anti-cancerous compounds known to man. Watch this phenomenal excerpt on Raw Cannabis from the documentary, American Drug War II

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4. Awakening: This final point is largely based on theory and personal experience, rather than scientific data, however I feel it is as relevant a concept to this conversation as any so far mentioned. I am of great belief that as a species, humanity is extremely programmed. From the time we are born, we are indoctrinated by other “programmed people,” to support our government, economic system, educational paradigm, big corporations, and, in the most general sense, a state of subordination.

The conventional western upbringing discourages present moment aesthetic experience, and mandates the incessant use of left-brained thinking mind. There is nothing wrong with utilizing your analytical capacity; the problem is simply how much of our “thinking content” is instilled in us through education and media. I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but the vast majority of human thought and conversation is profoundly unoriginal.

Pharmaceuticals and the “legal drugs,” also support this dynamic. All pain-killers, stimulants, anti-depressants, alcohol, tobacco, nicotine- these are all anesthetic drugs- they make you less connected to your sensory experiences. Marijuana, on the other hand, along with drugs like MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and DMT- is an aesthetic drug- it enhances sensory perceptions, pulling you into the present moment, rather than cutting you off from it. Now I have never used any powerful hallucinogens myself, but include them here because the logical implications would be incomplete if I did not note that they fell in the same category. I do not recommend their use, consult your doctor, bla bla bla…

But getting back to the point, when people have experiences with these drugs, they tend to “step out” of their left-brain thinking and into that aesthetic experience. What I believe is also happening is that they are stepping out of the “programmed,” area of their mind. Many people who have used psylocybin, LSD or DMT talk about a phenomenon called an “ego death.” Whether it happens all at once (such as in these more extreme cases) or gradually, this concept of “de-programming,” is, I believe, very much connected to the enhanced aesthetic experience that these drugs create. Am I saying that getting high is essential for your spiritual evolution? No. But can it be a facilitator for that process? I believe it can.

Conclusion: Discussion over whether or not Marijuana should be legal predominantly centers around its effects on human health. This is not the real issue. No one has ever died from smoking weed- not even lung cancer has ever been linked to it. The cannabis plant is illegal because it is one of the single greatest threats to the financial establishment of our world, most directly the industries of pharmaceuticals and fossil fuel. What’s more, THC can, I believe, play a facilitating role in the deprogramming and awakening of those who bring attention to that experience.

What could be more threatening to financial establishment than that?

Sources

1. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/04/01/5-ways-hemp-will-change-our-world/

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel

3. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp


http://truththeory.com/2012/08/26/why-cannabis-is-still-illegal/


Edited by leftrightout: 13/9/2012 05:48:54 PM

Edited by leftrightout: 13/9/2012 05:53:50 PM
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Personally I'm all for the legalisation of marijuana. I don't smoke it myself but idc if other people do. As we know, it's less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol and those two are freely available. I'm also not surprised in the least to know that financial gain was the reasoning behind it's ban way back when :lol:
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I went through a bit of a rough addiction stage with marijuana up until about 2 years ago which is why Im against the stuff, but really, from an unbiased point of view, it should be legal. Theres never been a single death from it, obviously it can lead to things like schizophrenia (think thats how you spell it) which in turn could lead to your death somehow, but its alot safer than alcohol and cigarettes etc, where you get deaths from them on the reg. If people want to smoke it, its up to them.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
J-Dog wrote:
Rough addiction stage with marijuana
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Lol classic that actually makes a pretty good point. You dont really get addicted to it, if youre being completely technical. Its non-addictive, but like he says you get real irritable and start snapping at everyone when you havent had any in a while, you cant concentrate on anything. Its addictive generally speaking in that if you smoke it long enough, you cant really focus on doing anything if you havent smoked any that day, but you dont really crave it like a smoker does cigarettes or an alcoholic does alcohol.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
J-Dog wrote:
Rough addiction stage with marijuana
[youtube]uUPHlAbAf2I[/youtube]


I love Dave Chappelle, but I watched Half Baked last week completely blitzed and still thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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Really, the main reason that it's not legalised is because it would be too hard to police for the government to make any real money off it.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Lol it's actually one of my favorites. I had a mate who thought the same thing but watched it a little less blazed and loved it.


Fair call, I'm pretty habitual with my viewing routine when I'm stoned though, I've watched Austin Powers 2, Ted, Harold and Kumar, and a few Entourage episodes over the last few nights whilst baked.

If you haven't seen The Big Lebowski I'd recommend it, and it's definitely better viewing whilst you're high.

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I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

on the other hands i would love to see an industry establishe ASAP for the benefits of the plant, such as textiles,paper,rope,clothing etc......
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Why cannabis is still illegal?

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batfink wrote:
I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

on the other hands i would love to see an industry establishe ASAP for the benefits of the plant, such as textiles,paper,rope,clothing etc......


Too many health implications? Name 3.
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ual wrote:
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I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

on the other hands i would love to see an industry establishe ASAP for the benefits of the plant, such as textiles,paper,rope,clothing etc......


Too many health implications? Name 3.



lung damage, paranoia,
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batfink wrote:
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I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

on the other hands i would love to see an industry establishe ASAP for the benefits of the plant, such as textiles,paper,rope,clothing etc......


Too many health implications? Name 3.



lung damage, paranoia,

Smoking Canabis leads to munchies. Too many munchies leads to obesity. Obesity leads to other health problems.

∵ - Smoking Canabis = Cancer.

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batfink wrote:
I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

How can you use that as an argument when tobacco and alcohol are legal but are extremely harmful, unlike marijuana?
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I haven't been stoned since my bucks show back in 2008. Having a strippers boobs in your face is quite an experience. I had never put so much thought into boobs since that day. It felt like within that split second I had an hour to think deeply about them :lol:

All my experience with dope have all been quite positive. Not just the uncontrollable giggles or the munchies but the second part of the blog really resonated with me. The awakening where your thoughts are much clearer within in head and make lots of sense. I also could hear peoples vibes as voices. Like you know when you get a positive vibe or a negative vibe from a person? It's hard to put into words but it was like I was reading their minds through their vibes. I haven't done it since or had the curiosity to do it again but if the opportunity presented itself in the right circumstances I would do it again for sure.
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MaxiiGCU wrote:
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I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

How can you use that as an argument when tobacco and alcohol are legal but are extremely harmful, unlike marijuana?



argument???? what argument......what i'm saying is Government don't want to add to the smoking/alcohol problem by adding dope......if they legalise it what about the problem of stoned dopes driving cars, and having to do more DUI testing and the resources required????
then there is liability....some do gooders will than want to sue the government for legalising it and making it fine to get stoned....its just a great big can of woms that they don't want to know about........and really the fines and policing of dope is pretty minor so just be discrete and have your fun ..........
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batfink wrote:
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batfink wrote:
I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

How can you use that as an argument when tobacco and alcohol are legal but are extremely harmful, unlike marijuana?



argument???? what argument......what i'm saying is Government don't want to add to the smoking/alcohol problem by adding dope......if they legalise it what about the problem of stoned dopes driving cars, and having to do more DUI testing and the resources required????
then there is liability....some do gooders will than want to sue the government for legalising it and making it fine to get stoned....its just a great big can of woms that they don't want to know about........and really the fines and policing of dope is pretty minor so just be discrete and have your fun ..........


If you look at the Netherlands, legalising dope has actually dropped it's usage. I have a mate who is from the Netherlands and he said it's now seen as novelty for tourist.

Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.
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leftrightout wrote:
batfink wrote:
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batfink wrote:
I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

How can you use that as an argument when tobacco and alcohol are legal but are extremely harmful, unlike marijuana?



argument???? what argument......what i'm saying is Government don't want to add to the smoking/alcohol problem by adding dope......if they legalise it what about the problem of stoned dopes driving cars, and having to do more DUI testing and the resources required????
then there is liability....some do gooders will than want to sue the government for legalising it and making it fine to get stoned....its just a great big can of woms that they don't want to know about........and really the fines and policing of dope is pretty minor so just be discrete and have your fun ..........


If you look at the Netherlands, legalising dope has actually dropped it's usage. I have a mate who is from the Netherlands and he said it's now seen as novelty for tourist.

Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.


agreed....but what government is going to risk a backlash......
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leftrightout wrote:
Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.
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f1worldchamp wrote:
leftrightout wrote:
Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.


Yes. I think we should direct some of the extra funds into helping the addicts and have more education. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree and I know that wont happen either.


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batfink wrote:
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batfink wrote:
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batfink wrote:
I don't think any government will legalise it anytime soon....there are to many health implications and the costs associated with them......

How can you use that as an argument when tobacco and alcohol are legal but are extremely harmful, unlike marijuana?



argument???? what argument......what i'm saying is Government don't want to add to the smoking/alcohol problem by adding dope......if they legalise it what about the problem of stoned dopes driving cars, and having to do more DUI testing and the resources required????
then there is liability....some do gooders will than want to sue the government for legalising it and making it fine to get stoned....its just a great big can of woms that they don't want to know about........and really the fines and policing of dope is pretty minor so just be discrete and have your fun ..........


If you look at the Netherlands, legalising dope has actually dropped it's usage. I have a mate who is from the Netherlands and he said it's now seen as novelty for tourist.

Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.


agreed....but what government is going to risk a backlash......


Exactly. No government would have the balls. Especially both the clowns leading the major parties.
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leftrightout wrote:
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leftrightout wrote:
Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.


Yes. I think we should direct some of the extra funds into helping the addicts and have more education. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree and I know that wont happen either.

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leftrightout wrote:
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leftrightout wrote:
Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.


Yes. I think we should direct some of the extra funds into helping the addicts and have more education. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree and I know that wont happen either.


May as well legalize rape, murder and child prosititution while you're at it. :roll:

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Heineken wrote:
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leftrightout wrote:
Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.


Yes. I think we should direct some of the extra funds into helping the addicts and have more education. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree and I know that wont happen either.


May as well legalize rape, murder and child prosititution while you're at it. :roll:


Chalk and cheese.

Your talking about ones owns right vs taking ones own right.

Sorry but that is a dumb comment.
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leftrightout wrote:
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Also think of all the money the government spend on police tasks forces and arrests. Drug control cost the government shit loads of money and it's a war they are clearly loosing. I am all for legalisation. I could get dope easy if I wanted to anyway so nothing would really change.

So we should also legalise ecstasy, cocaine, heroin etc cause policing them takes a shitload of resources as well.


Yes. I think we should direct some of the extra funds into helping the addicts and have more education. That's my opinion. I'm not asking you to agree and I know that wont happen either.


May as well legalize rape, murder and child prosititution while you're at it. :roll:


Chalk and cheese.

Your talking about ones owns right vs taking ones own right.

Sorry but that is a dumb comment.

This, again.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:


I'll just leave this here.
Annual death figures.


I'd bet a fair number of motor vehicles accidents, suicides, incidents involving firearms and homocides would have had cannabis use as a factor.

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f1worldchamp wrote:
11.mvfc.11 wrote:


I'll just leave this here.
Annual death figures.


I'd bet a fair number of motor vehicles accidents, suicides, incidents involving firearms and homocides would have had cannabis use as a factor.


I have driven stoned and if anything I was extra extra careful :lol:

I'm pretty sure I was doing 40 in a 60 zone.

I wonder how many were caused from prescription meds? Probably more.
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leftrightout wrote:
I have driven stoned and if anything I was extra extra careful :lol:

I'm pretty sure I was doing 40 in a 60 zone.

I wonder how many were caused from prescription meds? Probably more.

40 in a 60 zone can be just as dangerous as speeding. Just sayin.
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f1worldchamp wrote:
leftrightout wrote:
I have driven stoned and if anything I was extra extra careful :lol:

I'm pretty sure I was doing 40 in a 60 zone.

I wonder how many were caused from prescription meds? Probably more.

40 in a 60 zone can be just as dangerous as speeding. Just sayin.


Actually I agree. The amount of pensioners doing this they might as well all stay home and smoke weed :lol:
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I think the main reason that next to no deaths are attributed to marijuana is because they generally don't test for it in autopsies - but then, there's probably a reason for that.
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