Now there is a comparison with too many variables.

Don't be too harsh on them. They've only been in the country for a few minutes.

Err...I wasn't comparing, I was highlighting the hurdles as stated by Chris. My post was to demonstrate that it's a LOT harder (almost impossible) for SMFC to overcome their two major hurdles than it is for Heart to increase their average attendance by only an extra 1.5k.

Again, MHFC is IN the HAL (Where SMFC want to be, but wont happen any time soon) AND they're close to reaching 10k average crowds. So, who has bigger hurdles to overcome? SMFC!! Get it now?

It's a fucking stupid comparison. What do you think Brisbane's crowds would be like if they were playing in their state league? What about Melbourne Victory? Newcastle?

But Brisbane, Melbourne, Newcastle etc don't have all the fabric, history, ad infinitum that South apparently have.

Despite all the bravado seems like their fans support of the club is contingent on whether they play in the plastic A league or not.

How can we trust such fickle fans to re-emerge should South get back in? They've probably already moved on..

Unfortunately JAK - it's a layer of comfort to the individuals who truly fear what a club like smfc would bring to the table - I call it insecurity

Seriously a complete model like smfc with a true end to end proposal could be a measurable yardstick for the other HAL teams in this country

But as I have said repeatedly - they try to disgrace the fabric that is smfc so that their "little licencees" keep their pedigree

The day will come when smfc receives serious consideration either as number 2 or number 3 in this city - I only hope a sincere "not a trademarked" approach is adopted

this ethnic stuff - VPL Crowds - home ground - unable to penetrate - etc etc etc that Rust and his mates keep throwing at us is water of a ducks back

The day smfc is at the top again is not far away - hopefully it is a lead way for some of the other teams to pull their finger out and start thinking of themselves highly again

Football cannot be just 1 product across multiple points of presence - that shit belongs in the Big Bash League

Football can be - and should be so much more

smfc is not afraid - and will re surface

respect your point of view RoD

and yes MH do have the licence and we don't

whose to say that south won't replace an interstate team one day or an international team for that matter

I cannot say too much - but 1 thing the FFA cannot afford is a mid season calamity break down - obviously the FFA will keep them floating for the remainder of the season - but whose to say a 3rd team in Melbourne or Sydney may 1 day come in at the cost of a regional or NZ team

Anything is possible

The only insecurity going on in here is from those who have started the thread in the first place.

Trying to talk down a new club for what is fundamentally self-interest terms is hardly a great moral position to be calling others insecure is it?? :lol:

Yes, SMFC has been around a long time and means a lot to some, but the amount of work that has gone into the spin to talk up your own club in here is comical. Add in the amount of mistruths spread by a one or two in these forums about MH over time, and the credibility of any points raised are invalid from the start.

Lets all move onto more serious topics and leave this to a couple of bitters to rejoice in their 'greatness'.

$160 Million ($148,000,000 when you subtract the marketing fund) is not a huge amount of money - (basically 200 houses in Melbourne) nor is it anywhere near enough when you consider the amount of distribution that is required to filter at all levels of the game => => A false sense of security and Gallop is starting to send that message to the clubs - and they need to get smarter

The biggest issue with football in this country in my view is the following

We have a trademark approach whereby the main beneficiary is infact the FFA - the FFA is set up as the pot and that pot dictates all activity in tier 1 - where all incomes by the franchises are directed to the Pot - and the pot then redistributed back to the clubs cash at a much smaller exchange rate - that pot is now trying to grow to extend to tier 1 at state levela

Question is - is it for the game to grow - or for that pot to get bigger and fatter?

We can only look at the current business model of the FFA in regards to that - and my business acumen tells me the pot comes first and foremost and the clubs are there to service the pot - Westfield shopping Centre style

Now; here is the issue with the HAL - small clubs feed of the bigger ones

For example - MV spend $$$$ on players - win trophies - win members and sponsors and spend more $$$ to go deep into ASIA for additional exposure and to potentially earn millions - then they get bananas in return after the Pot's distribution - MH with a less ambitious and ambigious plan and on a much smaller tighter budget feed from Victory's achievements

Sorry; but this is not how football should be - MV and MH should be doing everything they can to out perform their competitor on and off the pitch - they should hate each other - and when 1 team achieves the other should take it very personally - that is clearly not happening ATM

Furthermore, the MH should have had a plan from day 1 as to how they were going to Penetrate = A Business Plan - with financials and feasibility - identity and target market - that obviously never happened

But then again the FFA have never revealed their business plan either - for example as to how exactly they plan to grow the game (if they have 1 at all) - such as a 1-2 and 5 year strategy - something people can invest in - what we do see is a lot of tossing and turning from 1 year to another and some loose statements such as the "sleeping giant"

This season more than anything in the previous 7 at least they appear to have a direction - but like always - details and distribution of detail and analysis is sketchy and fuzzy - it's still a year to year thing without any real sharpness to it and its fusrating

Yes crowds have grown and so has TV viewers - but that is predominantly on the back of the following - WSW replacing GG and Sydney FC via ADP - there was always going to be improvement on last season - however Sydney FC has surpassed expectation and ADP has been a big big hit

Anyway: Football 2013 and the foreseeable future is a regulated approach with a capped system and actually penalizes over achievers and compensates under achievers

I understand the element of trying to keep teams viable - but certain teams in this country are still breast feeding and they are approaching their teenage years

Result is that Private Investment into teams has dried up - and the $160 ($148 million)over 4 years will assist existing clubs to survive - maybe - but will not be enough to encourage fresh investment nor will it provide the game the bite it requires

That's why a public model is coming - and coming soon

The FFA are trying to set up channel pathways via the implementation of the NCR - this will take years upon years to mature and iron out and there will also be a cost at a grass roots level - some clubs will gain identity - the majority will lose it - and what's on it for these clubs - However the main issue is all clubs will lose ambition and State Tier 1 seems likely to be moving to a feeder status - feeding a National Level

Football needs Promotion and Relegation and it needs it quickly - this should be the aspiration of our game and we need a plan as to how and when we implement it - it will set us apart from everything else in this country - and will in-directly implement 2 national structures running parallel to each other with a view to achieving 60/40 exposure between the 2 leagues - its the way business is run and its the way football is run around the world - ***except for 1 country whose national meal is the hot dog (which is fake meat with ketchup in a bread roll)


Edited by chris: 22/1/2013 07:08:55 PM

MH are no longer a new club - you need to stop using that line - you are into your 3rd year of existance

Time to adopt a new excuse

You kidding Chris Heart are barely put of the cot. Give them a chance ffs

Righhttt..... That your next trolling effort :lol:

For all your BUSINESS acumen, you choose to propse the OLD soccer model almost in it's entirety as the NEW and Better model.
FFA has done well and the "dumbed down" the model has proven a disaster previously we don't need to go back.
Doing the same same thing repeatedly in the hope of getting different result is lunacy - those forgetting the lesson of OLD soccer are doomed to repeat
them.

You may think you have the answers, but it's clear that FFA have got a far better model given their success todate.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

x2

Mods, close this rubbish.

80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness though.
Something is dirty at the top.

When talented young players have to pay $1000+ to play that is too much.
When players hit 18, and have to pay almost $200 to stay in the game at a local level, that is too much.


When we can't afford to put in place a system that promotes young players and condenses talent pools then someone isn't caring enough.

Interesting post. Can you provide more detail about this "Public Model"?

It's a pseudonym for "NSL"

Chris is quite clearly a deluded mongoloid if he thinks Gyro FC will get into the Aleague.

Actually it's a pseudonym for the AFL

JAK

A PUBLIC MODEL is when a club is controlled by its members and the members are the principal shareholders of the club

The members spend the money to purchase a membership and also get voting rights

There is an election process and the club holds an AGM every year

Lets say you have a Turkish background and purchase a membership at smfc for $160 - you get an equal vote to any other smfc member regardless of background or ethnic origin and that is what a true community club is

In the HAL with its private franchise system - and even though these teams ( not clubs) use the word member - the reality is you are just a customer and the only rights you have is entry to games

You have no say in the running of the club nor it's direction

Rust and company would like readers to believe smfc is a mono ethnic club
The fact that smfc is a not for profit member based public model is a contradiction to Rust's position
Add also that if south ever made tier 1 national football - we would get fans from all walks of life due to the exposure this would provide - smfc has an origin and it cannot be changed but to say that it will not progress is stupid at all levels

South Melbourne can and have banned members from going to games or holding memberships so don't know what this crap being sprouted is?

Where is the comparison with nsl?

Public is not an nsl child

You're a freak show for even suggesting that -smfc has banned trouble makers in the past - but to ban someone for their origin

Fuck it not wort discussing further - like I said - you are a freak show

So I'm a freak show yet you're the one making delusional comments about some mid table premier league Greek Gyro club from Victoria who have a history of ethnic violence and getting their supporters locked out from games moving to the aleague soon as if their the god gift. Think you're the freak show.

yeah you are a freak

Great response. Why did many people not warm to South or Southern Cross FC when they tried to enter? THe FFA dialogue and research consistently mentioned the Greek factor being a turn off to the club hence why they are overlooked. I guess you know this because not even responding to subject matter as you have many times means you are defeated.

Nah I'll just stick to fisting your mum thanks.

I don't know if Chris is suggesting the public ownership is BETTER, but it's certainly my opinion that the game would be far better off if we allowed different models. Why does it have to be entirely private ownership for different franchises?

If private ownership works for one, then let them go with it. If public would be better for another - great. If another form was available and could work for another - all the better. It seems to be a blinkered idea to say that it can only be this, and nothing else.



What's funny is - if those of you who don't like it, and want it closed, simply ignored it, it would be about 10 pages and pretty much forgotten by now.