Are you seriously comparing the crowd and atmosphere of an a league to a friendly match at lakeside stadium? Even you're better then that rusty! What we have said is that 15k crammed into lakeside would make for an awesome atmosphere...and yes better then the average non Derby game at etihad...you basically need upward of 30k to vet etihad buzzing...lakeside would go off with just 10k...this is a model that's also been used in mls...the san Jose earthquakes chose to play games at a 10k stadium over a 50k stadium as they would rather play in front of a full house instead of a 30% filled stadium...this setup would have been ideal for heart, but only south has this boutique venue.

Edited by southmelb: 3/2/2013 05:43:55 AM

Has any reason been given why this Chris bloke is allowed to keep bumping a thread devoid of any logic calling for the death of an a-league club? The moderators are on holidays? The smearing is particularly distasteful.

There is a long list of people keeping this topic, while it is easy to be critical of Chris on one side of the arguement, there are many on the otherside of the arguement driving this to.

Love this crap post full of assumptions and generalisations. Why could the Melbourne Derby between the Yugos and the Gyros never attract big crowds like this to the derby games?

ROFL even in the last two derbies the crowds were 6,200 and 8,120 between Knights and SMFC so don't know where you get the 10k extra fans crap from you retarded muppet?

San Jose are building a new 20k+ stadium.

Lakeside fails as a boutique venue, with its massive running track and concrete seating. A league stadiums need to be ideally full seating, close to the action and at least 25k capacity for a second Melbourne team, Lakesde doesn't have the capacity.

The FFA have already said Lakeside isn't suitable for a-league matches. must be tough for the greeks to swallow

Can you prove this? Or is this just a figment of your imagination?

Is anything being done about the hooligan element at Heart?
Any one know about the organised punch on between Victory and Heart supporters at a well known Melbourne beach?


What I witnessed yesterday would have earned a VPL Club about $50k in fines and about 2 matches with no spectators.

Maybe that is affecting crowds?

Any guesses of the attendance for this weeks game against Glory?

I reckon 5674.

Then Chris will have to change the topic title again.

Unless this topic has influenced the Heart fans to go!

Every club has hooligans and dickheads, South would be even worse than Heart.

Worse than this:

Good to see this is okay because its "non-ethnic" now.

Where is Hatamoto when you need them.

Probably the best way to go is to throw these teams out of the League and start again!

Hang on a minute.......................

Because one of the mods has a vested interested in South Melbourne Hellas and the others don't want to rub his nose into the obvious agenda driven propaganda.

Other mods have joined the debate in this thread. I don't see any issues with this thread apart from maybe the title being a little inflammatory.

Then again I'm just a dirty ethnic so my opinion shouldn't count.

Also for the record I'm not Greek I'm actually Italian but I support South Melbourne... OH MY GOD SHOCK HORROR.

Paulc and Rusty don't be shy with your judgements.

Back to the issue at hand, anyone know what it might cost to upgrade Lakeside?

No idea but don't think they would seeming the GYROS made the deal to sell rights to the ground to make it suit for athletics.

no but it helps them turn a profit, something heart fans have no concept of. FFS this is a club thats trying to change itself for the modern times, yet all some people are intent on doing is telling them don't bother, fuck off. Either they can't believe change will happen or they are just plain racists like paulc.

Hasn't been in the country for that long. Two minutes in the scheme of things with little desire to appreciation the past evils that has degraded our code. But typically the selfishness sets in as it did for the mono-ethnic clubs that resisted change.

Action from South Melbourne Hellas is what we want to see not the continuation of lip service.

South Melbourne: It's not that you're ethnic, it's just that you're not nearly as good as what we have currently.

Edited by Gabgabgab39: 3/2/2013 08:20:00 PM

Nah its the ethnic thing:lol:

Lol at South fans and their paranoia.

On one hand they want everyone to believe they are truly multicultural and fully assimilated into Australian society, and on the other hand whenever someone has a go at them they pull out racism card.

Twats,

In the latest development for treatment of "Ethnic Complex" syndrome a unique serum was developed that was successfully tested on gorilla's who have a similar physiology to humans.

Basically, the serum was tried on "Yakini" a famous Australian Gorilla who had trouble accepting European Gorilla's in her den.

Tests were then moved onto ethnically complexed humans, where the serum proved unsuccessful in having a similar effect.

Rusty, at least the research is nearing completion and soon, there may well be a cure for the state you have carried around with you all these years.

So..

a)I guess constantly improving/upgrading your facilities and finding alternative revenue streams to increase profitability all for the sake of bettering the actual football department (as opposed to shareholder profits) is a bad thing? Name me one other club in the aleague that has as much infrastructure and the facilities of South Melbourne et al?

The answer: DOUGHNUTS BABY!!

Speaking of infrastructure, what will Victory do when there period of "mates rates" at Docklands comes to an end? Oh yes of course, join the rest in losing 2-3 million per annum.

As stated earlier, 25-30 million per annum losses are unsustainable and have lead to pathetic sanctions like a 6 team finals series in a 10 team league. Unfortunately, the 25-30 million dollar losses will still occur with grass roots football continuing to pay for the money pit and developmental hole that is the aleague.

b) Irrespective of the status of the league, 25-30 million collective losses are unsustainable and will lead the game to financial ruin.

Clubs like South Melbourne could operate in the aleague near break even or better from the get go. This is the sort of financial model required for the longevity of the game, otherwise mass downsizing ala the NBL is around the corner.

c)75m from the action? Ludicrous. You must be referring to the docklands were a side on, premium viewpoint is 100 meters from the touch line. The same view point at Lakeside is one of the best views in the country.

I found the below for you. Check it out.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_width_of_a_lane_of_an_athletic_track

10-12 meters from the fence to the touchline at Lakeside. Outstanding and superb for viewing football.

d)Chanting Hellas? The club has Hellenic origins, chanting the word "Hellas" as done by current Greek and non-Greek supporters is a testament to the club's history and nothing else.

This may be hard to grasp for two reasons.

1) Because McVictory and McHeart have no history
2) Because you have an ethnic complex and currently there is no serum to cure it

e) 150k profit (not that you attended the AGM and are hence unaware of the what the profit figure its) is not pathetic in the Australian football landscape. IT IS OUTSTANDING.

Revenues to sky rocket next year as well, so we may be discussing a substantially larger figure next year which will be re-inserted for the good of the football club and not the pockets of shareholders who rely on state federations (funded by grassroots) to run NYL and Wleague teams whilst collecting a 2.5 million dollar dividend per annum and still losing 25-30 million yearly.

f) This is precisely what I am arguing. In fact I have had players from the VPL who have played aleague state the following "the only difference is full time fitness".

This is further evidenced when average VPL players like Nabbout, crap VPL players like Stella, not bad VPL players like Fenton, Michieson, Walker, Kalmar, Trifiro can adapt to the aleague at a drop of a hat.

Now, just a reminder, the newly minted and $60 million renovated Lakeside stadium is maintained to a premium standard by council employees and is free of both plastic and dust whilst carrying the tradition of Australia's greatest football club, made with all of the below:

- Blood
- Sweat
- Tears

...and, a club welcoming to all, except for those, who suffer..from Ethnic Complex Syndrome!

Ethnic Complex Syndrome

I Love It

Southfan - what would you call someone like Rusty who is an ethnic and has a complex syndrome towards ethnic clubs?

I am curious if he has shortened his name - perhaps he was once Rustopoulakakis or something like that

seriously though - smfc playing tier 1 is inevitable and many observers have also advised that smfc is in a position of strength - we just need to keep our identity intact and our distance from the MV and MH as not to dilute our brand and lose that identity

Question is whether there will be 2 or 3 teams - I have no issues with smfc being the 3rd team - however it will be quicker if the Heart stepped aside as that would be an automatic qualifier for south and that is the tempting part - however if they get their shit together - then I am satisfied with south being the 3rd entry - but if it takes them 10 years and south is held back due to the Heart scratching their balls than smelling their finger - then I say fuck them - they are too slow to develop

Our Investors are ready

FFA knows south have the cash at its disposal

smfc is still a big club - and its great to see the committee also thinks that way and the clubs strategy is in alignment with that of a big club

It would be refreshing to have a member of the old firm participating for both new and old fans of this beautiful game

The Media will have a field day

This year already the club has enjoyed national exposure on TV and state exposure in the Age Newspaper

I laugh when Rusty and co. try to make the club out to be a has been just because it makes them feel more comfortable in their skin as some of them were once smfc fans

My message to them is smfc does not need you back - that is not to say they cannot come back if they chose to some day - but more to the point smfc has a plan and a strategy to dominate this game once more as the Glamour Club of Australia.

Unlike MH which is still trying to work out which hand is the left and the right smfc knows who its growth market is and has developed the corridors to reach it - Unlike the Heart - smfc is very specific in it's approach

Not a Question of if but when

South is in a position of strength - it has the government backing it and also has some very influential members of our community backing it also - no they are not Greek Rusty

look out for a true blue derby coming soon

NCR is the perfect transition model to bring south out of the darkness - when the club gains momentum you have 2 choices - you jump on or you step right out of the way - because you might get hurt

As for MH - I sincerely hope they make it - if south were to play the Heart in their current shape - I honestly don't think I'd get too excited about it



Edited by chris: 3/2/2013 11:38:19 PM

South Melbourne's growth market is the Greek Gyro community. SOrry buddy but the FFA banned that shit when they created the A-League to stop 1000 Macos turning up to the games against the greeks just to punch on.

Is this 'vested interest' the fact that I am a supporter? Does this mean that none of the moderators are allowed to make any comment about the A-league side they support? Or, in a wider sense, express any opinions about the A-League itself as they have 'vested interests' in it?

Also - funny that you continue to call the club Hellas - it's almost as if YOU are obsessed. We tend to call it South Melbourne Football Club.



Have been in the country since 1999, and have been going to South since well before the A-League began. If that's 'two minutes in the scheme of things' - and as a result invalidates my opinions of anything to do with the club, then we also have to dismiss the opinions of any other supporter who never witnessed football in the 90s, first hand... Which means approximately 90% of contributors to this forum would have to stop posting on any issue pre-dating 2004.

LOL@The clueless Gyro supporting moderator trying to disassociate the consistent Hellas refernces made to South at and around games and elsewhere.

Bengamin

What is it about smfc that attracted you?

Why have you chosen smfc as your club???

I am curious

I've told the story before - I'm pretty sure I've told you in person...

I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis.

I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club.

His fellow Greek companions from the mono-ethnic club would be distraught to hear of the dissassociation as they would have the name Hellas at a click of a finger had the change not been forced upon them.

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Why would they be distraught? They are all well aware that the club is called South Melbourne Football Club. It's only fools like you who continue to insist on calling it South Melbourne Hellas for effect.

I, as a non-Greek, would have no problem with the club being called South Melbourne Hellas though, if only to annoy the crap out of people like you who don't appear to be able to handle the idea that anyone could actually want to celebrate their heritage.