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Benjamin wrote:paulc wrote:lardface wrote:Has any reason been given why this Chris bloke is allowed to keep bumping a thread devoid of any logic calling for the death of an a-league club? The moderators are on holidays? The smearing is particularly distasteful. Because one of the mods has a vested interested in South Melbourne Hellas and the others don't want to rub his nose into the obvious agenda driven propaganda. Is this 'vested interest' the fact that I am a supporter? Does this mean that none of the moderators are allowed to make any comment about the A-league side they support? Or, in a wider sense, express any opinions about the A-League itself as they have 'vested interests' in it? Also - funny that you continue to call the club Hellas - it's almost as if YOU are obsessed. We tend to call it South Melbourne Football Club. paulc wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:I'd say supporting a club for 15 years, despite not being Greek, justifies his interest in the debate. Hasn't been in the country for that long. Two minutes in the scheme of things with little desire to appreciation the past evils that has degraded our code. But typically the selfishness sets in as it did for the mono-ethnic clubs that resisted change. Action from South Melbourne Hellas is what we want to see not the continuation of lip service. Have been in the country since 1999, and have been going to South since well before the A-League began. If that's 'two minutes in the scheme of things' - and as a result invalidates my opinions of anything to do with the club, then we also have to dismiss the opinions of any other supporter who never witnessed football in the 90s, first hand... Which means approximately 90% of contributors to this forum would have to stop posting on any issue pre-dating 2004. The NSL disbanded in 2004 which means you missed at least 23 years of the 27 years of the NSL's existence. Your virtually a new dawner with a "vested" interest in a club that benefits you personally. It all makes sense why you were so bitter with the FFA.
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Benjamin wrote:paulc wrote:Gerrygee wrote:LOL@The clueless Gyro supporting moderator trying to disassociate the consistent Hellas refernces made to South at and around games and elsewhere. His fellow Greek companions from the mono-ethnic club would be distraught to hear of the dissassociation as they would have the name Hellas at a click of a finger had the change not been forced upon them. Why would they be distraught? They are all well aware that the club is called South Melbourne Football Club. It's only fools like you who continue to insist on calling it South Melbourne Hellas for effect. I, as a non-Greek, would have no problem with the club being called South Melbourne Hellas though, if only to annoy the crap out of people like you who don't appear to be able to handle the idea that anyone could actually want to celebrate their heritage. They can celebrate their heritage all they want, no-one said they can't. Yet another curl ball from Mr Hellas moderator who resorts to calling people names. Well you're the fool.
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paulc wrote:The NSL disbanded in 2004 which means you missed at least 23 years of the 27 years of the NSL's existence. Your virtually a new dawner with a "vested" interest in a club that benefits you personally. It all makes sense why you were so bitter with the FFA. Still waiting to find out how South benefits me personally. Intrigued. paulc wrote:They can celebrate their heritage all they want, no-one said they can't. Yet another curl ball from Mr Hellas moderator who resorts to calling people names. Well you're the fool. No they can't, because the second they do people like you start screaming about mono-ethnics. For intelligent people this wouldn't even be an issue. It's a football club, the primary interest of the club is to play football at the highest level possible. End of story - to most.
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I'm convinced that 2 minute wonder Ben has NFI what Australian soccer has gone through. Thank goodness we have safeguards.
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paulc wrote:I'm convinced that 2 minute wonder Ben has NFI what Australian soccer has gone through.
Thank goodness we have safeguards. [youtube]lHlsIy812kU[/youtube] missed these scen es
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gabgabgab39 wrote:SouthFan wrote:rusty wrote:SouthFan wrote:
A) Have you attended an AGM in recent years, if so how many? The club is currently re-building admistration base, a new cafeteria/bistro area and a futsal court to enhance its youth development program which is over subscribed.
Wow a bistro area! WOW! Heart get the fuck out we need more bistro area and a futsal court!
B) Have you attended an AGM in recent years? If so how many? The club announced a profit this year. Collectively, aleague clubs are scheduled to once again lose 25-30million this season.
VPL is an amateur competition, A leauge is fully pro. Apples and oranges.
C) Lakeside stadium just had a $60 million renovation. No technicality that you mention would prevent this stadium being used in the aleague if it were the base of an existing or new club.
Lakeside has 7,000 seats and some concrete blocks at either end, that are situation approx 75m from the action. Shit for football.
D) Incorrect. 15 years ago 1/4 of membership base was from non traditional support. 15 years later, the Greek community of Australia is fully assimilated into Australian culture with the 4th and 5th generation and mixed marriages the norm. In fact I have no doubt that many Australians with Greek Heritage are more Australian than Rusty.
Not a chance if they're chanting 'Hellas'. I don't believe the buy claims South is fully assimilated into Australian culture, Australia is a multicultural society and Souths entire board and support staff are of Greek ancestry. Definitely no mixing of impure varieties in the SM board room.
E) If there was no loyal fan base you would not see the club in the current position of strength it currently finds itself in. Your point should be re-worded along the lines of the following: "Many sellouts including people like myself (Rusty)".
South isn't in a position of strength. 150k profit is pathetic for a club with no overheads and an annual goverment grant. The local over 50's club makes more money than South.
F) Why would a semi professional club playing in a semi professional league have a professional roster? So we may not have a professional roster but we have WORLD CLASS INFRASTRUCTURE and facilities and in all honesty, VPL players of late are flooding the aleague so IMO, the difference in standard predominantly relates to fitness.
Are you seriously arguing the VPL is the same level as the A league? Most VPL players are dirge, but players need to come from somewhere, if not the youth league, the state leagues.
Hope you enjoyed your plastic derby. I guess the atmosphere must be similar to certain South American and European derbies where the opposition set of supporters (usually the away team) do not attend (for reasons relating to safety).
I'd take 40k fans at Etihad over 4k at Lakeside anyday. Plastic is better than dust.
In the latest development for treatment of "Ethnic Complex" syndrome a unique serum was developed that was successfully tested on gorilla's who have a similar physiology to humans. Basically, the serum was tried on "Yakini" a famous Australian Gorilla who had trouble accepting European Gorilla's in her den. Tests were then moved onto ethnically complexed humans, where the serum proved unsuccessful in having a similar effect. Rusty, at least the research is nearing completion and soon, there may well be a cure for the state you have carried around with you all these years. So.. a)I guess constantly improving/upgrading your facilities and finding alternative revenue streams to increase profitability all for the sake of bettering the actual football department (as opposed to shareholder profits) is a bad thing? Name me one other club in the aleague that has as much infrastructure and the facilities of South Melbourne et al? The answer: DOUGHNUTS BABY!! Speaking of infrastructure, what will Victory do when there period of "mates rates" at Docklands comes to an end? Oh yes of course, join the rest in losing 2-3 million per annum. As stated earlier, 25-30 million per annum losses are unsustainable and have lead to pathetic sanctions like a 6 team finals series in a 10 team league. Unfortunately, the 25-30 million dollar losses will still occur with grass roots football continuing to pay for the money pit and developmental hole that is the aleague. b) Irrespective of the status of the league, 25-30 million collective losses are unsustainable and will lead the game to financial ruin. Clubs like South Melbourne could operate in the aleague near break even or better from the get go. This is the sort of financial model required for the longevity of the game, otherwise mass downsizing ala the NBL is around the corner. c)75m from the action? Ludicrous. You must be referring to the docklands were a side on, premium viewpoint is 100 meters from the touch line. The same view point at Lakeside is one of the best views in the country. I found the below for you. Check it out. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_width_of_a_lane_of_an_athletic_track10-12 meters from the fence to the touchline at Lakeside. Outstanding and superb for viewing football. d)Chanting Hellas? The club has Hellenic origins, chanting the word "Hellas" as done by current Greek and non-Greek supporters is a testament to the club's history and nothing else. This may be hard to grasp for two reasons. 1) Because McVictory and McHeart have no history 2) Because you have an ethnic complex and currently there is no serum to cure it e) 150k profit (not that you attended the AGM and are hence unaware of the what the profit figure its) is not pathetic in the Australian football landscape. IT IS OUTSTANDING. Revenues to sky rocket next year as well, so we may be discussing a substantially larger figure next year which will be re-inserted for the good of the football club and not the pockets of shareholders who rely on state federations (funded by grassroots) to run NYL and Wleague teams whilst collecting a 2.5 million dollar dividend per annum and still losing 25-30 million yearly. f) This is precisely what I am arguing. In fact I have had players from the VPL who have played aleague state the following "the only difference is full time fitness". This is further evidenced when average VPL players like Nabbout, crap VPL players like Stella, not bad VPL players like Fenton, Michieson, Walker, Kalmar, Trifiro can adapt to the aleague at a drop of a hat. Now, just a reminder, the newly minted and $60 million renovated Lakeside stadium is maintained to a premium standard by council employees and is free of both plastic and dust whilst carrying the tradition of Australia's greatest football club, made with all of the below: - Blood - Sweat - Tears ...and, a club welcoming to all, except for those, who suffer..from Ethnic Complex Syndrome! 
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Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Have been in the country since 1999, and have been going to South since well before the A-League began. If that's 'two minutes in the scheme of things' - and as a result invalidates my opinions of anything to do with the club, then we also have to dismiss the opinions of any other supporter who never witnessed football in the 90s, first hand... Which means approximately 90% of contributors to this forum would have to stop posting on any issue pre-dating 2004.
Bengamin What is it about smfc that attracted you? Why have you chosen smfc as your club??? I am curious I've told the story before - I'm pretty sure I've told you in person... I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis. I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club. I love your story Yes you did tell me a couple of years ago - it's like a good song I enjoy hearing from time to time
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If the above post isn't trolling i'll go jump in a lake. Who are the moderators this thread should be forwarded too? It's insulting towards heart fans.
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lardface wrote:If the above post isn't trolling i'll go jump in a lake. Who are the moderators this thread should be forwarded too? It's insulting towards heart fans. Al the moderators are well aware of this thread. The general opinion is that there is nothing going on in here that is against the rules. End of the day - if you don't like it, don't read it. Considering the massive number of threads which routinely refer to Victory/Heart/Melbourne people as 'Tards', I think a discussion about the viability of one franchise, and the options to replace them IF they fail, is hardly the biggest source of insults on the forum.
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Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Have been in the country since 1999, and have been going to South since well before the A-League began. If that's 'two minutes in the scheme of things' - and as a result invalidates my opinions of anything to do with the club, then we also have to dismiss the opinions of any other supporter who never witnessed football in the 90s, first hand... Which means approximately 90% of contributors to this forum would have to stop posting on any issue pre-dating 2004.
Bengamin What is it about smfc that attracted you? Why have you chosen smfc as your club??? I am curious I've told the story before - I'm pretty sure I've told you in person... I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis. I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club. Bought tears to my eyes :cry: The way how you describe how you a friend invited you to follow his club, and despite being the only non-Greek in the stands you weren't made to feel unwelcome.. Powerful stuff =d>
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rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Have been in the country since 1999, and have been going to South since well before the A-League began. If that's 'two minutes in the scheme of things' - and as a result invalidates my opinions of anything to do with the club, then we also have to dismiss the opinions of any other supporter who never witnessed football in the 90s, first hand... Which means approximately 90% of contributors to this forum would have to stop posting on any issue pre-dating 2004.
Bengamin What is it about smfc that attracted you? Why have you chosen smfc as your club??? I am curious I've told the story before - I'm pretty sure I've told you in person... I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis. I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club. Bought tears to my eyes :cry: The way how you describe how you a friend invited you to follow his club, and despite being the only non-Greek in the stands you weren't made to feel unwelcome.. Powerful stuff =d> Big difference between what I said and what you are saying is that I didn't say I was the "only" non-Greek, you made that bit up. As for the rest - I guess the truth can really piss some people off... If you go into a situation with an open mind, you get a very different picture to those who go in with (negative) expectations.
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Quick question for everybody:
Where do you want the A-League to be in 20 years, in terms of the number of teams and the number of divisions (1st, 2nd etc)?
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Fair enough Benjamin, I still think the title should be changed to something like "Merits of SMFC in A-League". The current title is inflammatory and not a good look for the main board.
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caddy89 wrote:Fair enough Benjamin, I still think the title should be changed to something like "Merits of SMFC in A-League". The current title is inflammatory and not a good look for the main board. I tend to agree - I think Arthur had a few good suggestions in his list too. End of the day though - we've had (for the most part) an interesting discussion with good points from all sides... Would we have had the discussion without the attention seeking title? Doubt it. Talk is good.
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jak wrote:
Quick question for everybody:
Where do you want the A-League to be in 20 years, in terms of the number of teams and the number of divisions (1st, 2nd etc)?
I've said before - 16 team A-League, providing a 30 game home and away season, with 8 games per round. Below that, either a 16 team A2 national comp, or two 8 team regional comps. All 32 teams then playing a 'league cup', with a separate FA Cup to cover every FFA/state league affiliated club.
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Benjamin wrote:jak wrote:
Quick question for everybody:
Where do you want the A-League to be in 20 years, in terms of the number of teams and the number of divisions (1st, 2nd etc)?
I've said before - 16 team A-League, providing a 30 game home and away season, with 8 games per round. Below that, either a 16 team A2 national comp, or two 8 team regional comps. All 32 teams then playing a 'league cup', with a separate FA Cup to cover every FFA/state league affiliated club. Would only change the FFA Cup to the 32 1st Div and 2nd Div A-League joining best 32 best State teams with early regionalised rounds and final 16 open draw, 32 open draw if affordable. A2 Divsion has promotion and relegation based on suitablly transperant criteria.
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SouthFan wrote:I guess constantly improving/upgrading your facilities and finding alternative revenue streams to increase profitability all for the sake of bettering the actual football department (as opposed to shareholder profits) is a bad thing? Name me one other club in the aleague that has as much infrastructure and the facilities of South Melbourne et al? Central Coast have quite a good set-up, a character (and decent bloke, by all accounts) called 'Midfielder' always reminds everyone. South have facilities, infrastructure, culture and community that it's supporters should be rightly proud of. It's unfair to expect start-up clubs, only 8 years old, to be able to match 50 years of development in less than a decade. Just looking at facilities and infrastructure, how many hundreds of millions of dollars do you think it would cost South to acquire land, build the stadium and facilities from scratch? Quote:Speaking of infrastructure, what will Victory do when there period of "mates rates" at Docklands comes to an end? Oh yes of course, join the rest in losing 2-3 million per annum. Despite Docklands being a hole, and a generally awful stadium to watch football in, Geoff Lord did one thing right and lock us in there for quite a number of years - ie another decade. I'm willing to sacrifice a few games per season at that place in order for MV to be able to put away money towards it's long-term goals, which are quite ambitious and promising without being financially irresponsible. (Google is your friend) Quote:Irrespective of the status of the league, 25-30 million collective losses are unsustainable and will lead the game to financial ruin. Quote:Clubs like South Melbourne could operate in the aleague near break even or better from the get go. This is the sort of financial model required for the longevity of the game I agree. South are a much better candidate for long-term sustainability than Heart ($5million in the red already) and some of the other teams in the league or that have already gone. There are only so many owners who are able to throw away money on (and only so many markets able to sustain) clubs like Sydney who lose $5-6million per year. Heart are struggling for income and have even been trying to poach a number of Victory's sponsors. Besides a couple of 'big clubs', the league should be looking at more modest sized clubs playing from modest stadia with modest targets. What happened with GC and NQF was absolute stupididity, there is no reason why clubs with 5-10k members and attendances around 10k shouldn't be sustainable - and the salary cap plays an essential part in trying to keep a level playing field between the big clubs and the smaller.
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Benjamin wrote:I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis.
I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club. I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League. Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
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Benjamin wrote:Big difference between what I said and what you are saying is that I didn't say I was the "only" non-Greek, you made that bit up. As for the rest - I guess the truth can really piss some people off... If you go into a situation with an open mind, you get a very different picture to those who go in with (negative) expectations. What truth? People don't just spontaneously develop attachments to clubs like you did. South has existed for a long time and still has a really strong connection to the Greek commumity, it's unrealistic to expect broader Melbourne to feel anything but indifference for a club which for most of its history has treated the public with indifference. Some marketing and increased exposure isn't going to change the fact that it will always be seen as a Greek club, there's nothing you can to do change that perception unless you adopt radical wholesale change to your brand and identity, the kind of change that would probably be rejected by its members as it would be seen as "Selling out" and inviting too much mainstream influence. And people don't want to follow a club that sings the Greek anthem over the Aussie one, whether it happended yesterday or hundred years it proves how strongly affiliated the South Melrbouen football club was with Greek community sometimes to the point of disrespecting the country it was founded in, and that's a permanent part of the your history that people wont forget. So your pickle is you want people to support you as a you are but people don't want to support you as you are so you will never be successful.
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GCU till I die wrote:Benjamin wrote:I arrived in Melbourne in late 1999 having lived and breathed football for my whole life - I wanted to go to games over here. I went to a lower state league game at Mooroolbark (my local club out here) and commented on it to a friend at work. He suggested that I come and watch his club - that club happened to be South, and the first game I went to had a terrific atmosphere. I was aware of the flags, I was aware that the majority of supporters around me were Greek, but I was never made to feel unwelcome and started to attend games on a semi-regular basis.
I went to Victory games during seasons 2, and virtually every home game during seasons 3-4, but never made that emotional connection to Victory. I don't hold that against Victory, nor do I think they are any less a club than South - they just didn't become 'my' club. I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League. Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club. Not really... Had I arrived in Australia in 2004, I would most likely have gone to Victory from day one, and would most likely have developed the same feeling for them that I did for South. What South fans want is to follow our team at the top level possible - and to not have a glass ceiling placed above us. The only thing we don't want to give up is our name/history - that is, to assign our IP over to the FFA, which would be required under current rules. rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:Big difference between what I said and what you are saying is that I didn't say I was the "only" non-Greek, you made that bit up. As for the rest - I guess the truth can really piss some people off... If you go into a situation with an open mind, you get a very different picture to those who go in with (negative) expectations. What truth? People don't just spontaneously develop attachments to clubs like you did. It wasn't spontaneous. It happened over a few years of going to games on a semi-occasional basis (as I said).South has existed for a long time and still has a really strong connection to the Greek commumity, it's unrealistic to expect broader Melbourne to feel anything but indifference for a club which for most of its history has treated the public with indifference. I can only judge on personal experience. I had no problem getting on board, several others I see at the ground for every home game have similarly non-Greek heritage.Some marketing and increased exposure isn't going to change the fact that it will always be seen as a Greek club, there's nothing you can to do change that perception unless you adopt radical wholesale change to your brand and identity, the kind of change that would probably be rejected by its members as it would be seen as "Selling out" and inviting too much mainstream influence. Would that be the kind of radical re-brand and identity proposed as the Southern Cross bid? Fully endorsed and supported by the members.And people don't want to follow a club that sings the Greek anthem over the Aussie one, whether it happended yesterday or hundred years it proves how strongly affiliated the South Melrbouen football club was with Greek community sometimes to the point of disrespecting the country it was founded in, and that's a permanent part of the your history that people wont forget. There are regrettable incidents in the history of most clubs. I can remember singing some pretty toxic songs at Sunderland games over the years. Point is - we can't change what happened 20 years ago, and the vast majority of Melbourne's football going public wouldn't know anything about the incident in question.So your pickle is you want people to support you as a you are but people don't want to support you as you are so you will never be successful. There's no pickle - I want the club to have an opportunity to play at the top level, and to use that top level exposure to market themselves as SOUTH Melbourne, rather than South Melbourne HELLAS, and having talked to key figures at the club I'm confident that if the opportunity came up that's exactly what they would do.
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GCU till I die wrote:
I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League.
Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
Our Club was and is historically all about playing at the highest level and succeeding. It's always been about the football.
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Arthur wrote:GCU till I die wrote:
I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League.
Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
Our Club was and is historically all about playing at the highest level and succeeding. It's always been about the football. In the name and on behalf of the Greek community.
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Arthur wrote:GCU till I die wrote:
I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League.
Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
Our Club was and is historically all about playing at the highest level and succeeding. It's always been about the football. Just about all clubs will say that, like every school is 'anti-bullying'. I'm more concerned that once the club hands over all the aspects of the club that the FFA dictate they control. What'll be left ? I'd wager many will end up saying to themselves "might as well have watched Victory/Heart" Careful what you wish for. Best to wait for the 'glass ceiling' to get broken, then come up on your own terms with your real club intact.
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paulc wrote:Arthur wrote:GCU till I die wrote:
I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League.
Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
Our Club was and is historically all about playing at the highest level and succeeding. It's always been about the football. In the name and on behalf of the Greek community. In your obsessed opinion. Seems to mean more to you than to any of my fellow supporters though - perhaps, just perhaps, the issue is yours.
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Here is some extracts of a forum freely expressing SMFC as Hellas by their supporters even as late as 2009 and no doubt still do today..................despite the denials. Quote:Full Version: South Melbourne Hellas
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Mar 19 2009, 08:41 AM
LONG LIVE SOUTH MELBOURNE HELLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
tahmazis
Mar 20 2009, 04:44 AM
50 years on, lets make it 100!
terry387
Mar 20 2009, 11:35 AM
QUOTE(tahmazis @ Mar 20 2009, 03:44 AM) [snapback]1053044396[/snapback]
50 years on, lets make it 100!
I am a proud Alexander supporter. If my team doesn't win this year's VPL , then I hope Hellas wins it because of its 50th birthday. Its 7-1 win over Preston made very happy socking it to those skopianous.
good luck
terry387
Mar 20 2009, 11:50 AM
QUOTE(HellasEuroChamps04 @ Mar 15 2009, 06:19 PM) [snapback]1053042862[/snapback]
Seven reasons to smile
I live in Portland, Oregon and am so happy with Hellas' 7-1 drubbing of Preston
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So if you go into the supporter forums you will find supporters referring to the club by its nickname? Oooooooh, shock.
There's no denial that supporters use this name. However, the official name - and therefore all official reference is as South Melbourne Football Club.
Edited by Benjamin: 4/2/2013 02:51:29 PM
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GCU till I die wrote:Arthur wrote:GCU till I die wrote:
I wonder why SMFC fans would want to join the A-League.
Sounds like you'd lose everything that actually means anything about following a real football club.
Our Club was and is historically all about playing at the highest level and succeeding. It's always been about the football. Just about all clubs will say that, like every school is 'anti-bullying'. I'm more concerned that once the club hands over all the aspects of the club that the FFA dictate they control. What'll be left ? I'd wager many will end up saying to themselves "might as well have watched Victory/Heart" Careful what you wish for. Best to wait for the 'glass ceiling' to get broken, then come up on your own terms with your real club intact. This is exactly the point that we have made previously - and the rest the bid was pulled for season 1 - we would have been required to hand the name over to the FFA, and no-one was prepared to do that.
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Benjamin wrote:So if you go into the supporter forums you will find supporters referring to the club by its nickname? Oooooooh, shock.
There's no denial that supporters use this name. However, the official name - and therefore all official reference is as South Melbourne Football Club.
Edited by Benjamin: 4/2/2013 02:51:29 PM Great. Now that you have conceded that their fans do call it Hellas, STFU when others on this forum do.
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From a report in The Roar 19th April 2011..... Quote:There were a number of controversies and indecisions and finally when Soccer Australia decided to abandon the ethnic flavour of the NSL, it tended to alienate some of the larger and more traditional ethnic clubs, who started pulling in opposite directions. Such one big club pulling away from becoming broadbased was South Melbourne Hellas. There's nothing that Hellas have demonstrated till this day that they want to change. Sorry, lip service is insufficient.
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paulc wrote:From a report in The Roar 19th April 2011..... Quote:There were a number of controversies and indecisions and finally when Soccer Australia decided to abandon the ethnic flavour of the NSL, it tended to alienate some of the larger and more traditional ethnic clubs, who started pulling in opposite directions. Such one big club pulling away from becoming broadbased was South Melbourne Hellas. There's nothing that Hellas have demonstrated till this day that they want to change. Sorry, lip service is insufficient. Personally, as a Victory fan, I don't give a hoot if SMFC has ethnic roots nor if this ethnicity is still a part of the club culture, image or supporter base. There's nothing inherently wrong with ethnicity of any type.
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