Why are you guys in this conversation. He knows everything you say is right, it's just an ever circling vortex of pulling your chains.

It certainly would be a farce, *if* the FFA implemented rules such as "WSW can have their pick of the best players from any other A-League side", or "A win to WSW is worth 4 points on the league table".

Someone else compared the AFL to the WWE in terms of orchestrating results. They (probably) don't go the WWE levels, but they are certainly further down that track than any other sporting organisation on the planet.

Ground sharing is almost non-existent in top tier European football.
It's stock standard in AFL.

You seem to be confused between corruption/match fixing at player/refereeing/coaching levels which is condemned and punished when found, and the actual league governing body itself changing the rules for teams it decides it wants to do well.

Indeed the former also occurs in the AFL ("tanking", anyone?), except for the "condemned and punished when found" bit.

i really cant stand the AFL for many reasons but this being a main reason its so manufactured and plastic

Every man deserves an education. Mister football deserves it as much any AFL fan.
We need to educate him on the ways of the world, beyond the little pond he swims in!!!!

Actually, if you knew anything about the history of sport, you’d know that codes inevitably spread with imperial influences, and migration. When people essentially take over another people, or move in great numbers, they take their game with them, and the local population grows from there.

It’s not like a bunch of people have sat back in each country and thought hmm, this looks like the best sport, we’re going to choose this to be obsessed with. It’s in no way a reflection of the games themselves.

Look at cricket – do you think it’s a coincidence that it’s a near religion in some nations, whilst others have never heard of it? Do you think it’s a reflection on the game? 1 billion Indians are simply wrong re the qualities of cricket, or 300 million Americans are wrong?

Australia hasn’t invaded or conquered any new lands and isn’t going to anytime soon. That’s why the game remains largely indigenous. It’s just the way it is.

If Australia had been colonised in the same way, but long after football was codified and organised in England, then football would likely dominate here. It just didn’t happen that way. It’s in no way a reflection on the game itself.

Again, all irrelevant in a discussion about Western Sydney. All you’re banging on about is things happening in Europe, that most of the people in western Sydney have no idea about anyway. If you think that your average bum in western Sydney knows much more about the EPL, SPL or Serie A than they do the AFL, you’re sadly mistaken.

The chip on your shoulder is a full-size potato. You’re exactly the same as the bogans who bang on about footy and sokkah. You’re just on the other side of the fence, throwing exactly the same shit back and forth.


Edited by orexxis: 10/1/2013 04:14:46 PM

Funny you should say that, has football & cricket comes from imperial England & yet only football took off around the world & cricket did not. Also when you think of the imperial England, the colonial countries like US, Australia, Canada & New Zealand comes to mind, yet most of those did not fully take up football, yes football is the most popular sport in the world where the English did not have the influence it had on those countries mentioned above. Please explain.

Edited by robbos: 10/1/2013 04:20:13 PM

Now we know you are a AFL stooge. Only arrogant AFL person would think that Judd, Franklin, Ablett & I struggle after that would be bigger than Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney, van Pirese, Inesita, Xavi, Falcao, & I could go on & on in West Sydney.

You must be a Mexican. The average person in Sydney would know a lot more about the EPL than the VFL. Most of my mates follow the NRL, but know the clubs, stars and results of the EPL. The VFL gets about as much attention as curling, lacrosse and vigoro.

The VFL rewards teams for playing badly but cannot figure out why teams play badly on purpose. The results are decided by Demetriou, and he does not like it when the clubs turn their hands to match-fixing, that is his job.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/watch-the-key-moments-from-the-match-at-the-centre-of-melbourne-tanking-allegations/story-fnelctok-1226550586110

Football is a relatively young sport, it’s growth is something of a cultural phenomenon, definitely. The English had done most of their exploring, raping and pillaging long before it become codified and organised.

From what I’ve read it’s spread across Europe was pretty rapid, kind of in line with rapid improvements in mobility and trade across England and into Europe. There’s no doubt the English took it into Europe.

I think (though I have nothing to back it up) that the sheer simplicity of the game would have helped it’s spread across Europe as well. It’s part of the beauty of the game, it’s very uncomplicated in the sense that anyone could probably watch people playing it for 10 minutes and pick up the basic premise – put it in the goal and don’t use your hands. Reckon that would have helped it spread quickly.

all hail mr football and the afl for keeping our economy afloat.

is anyone a fan of both WSW and GWS equally? i am just curious to hear the feeling surrounding both clubs from someone who isnt biased

I actually don’t think they would. They’d know the big 5 or 10 names obviously, they’re global stars on a stage the AFL will never emulate.

There’s dedicated football fans who’d know the European game backwards, that’d be the 15k or 20k who follow WSW. Not the majority of people who live in western Sydney.

Aside from them, I don’t think most people would know too much about the European Leagues. A few club names that are global brands yeah, but I reckon they’d reel off a few big AFL clubs too. Like everybody in Melbourne could with the NRL, even though very few actively follow it. Anybody who knows more than a bit probably has more than a passing interest in sport and knows a little bit about the AFL, whether or not they follow it. LOL, don’t even try to tell me that if somebody put a gun to your head you couldn’t name 10 AFL players and clubs, that’s just bullshit.

I can assure you I’m not a stooge for anything in particular.

I’m a member of both Victory and Essendon, which I reckon makes me a fair bit more balanced than many around here seem to be.

Your first hurdle

Oh thanks for explaining, it's the complexity of AFL that didn't allow it to travel, you can use your hands, there are no offsides, you drop the ball & it's not a knock on, it's agg shape ball so luck plays a part to the roll, you get a point for missing & playing a complex game. It's seems AFL's a game that favours those without much skill & allows for mistakes.

I'm a member of SFC & have seen many Wallabies & Waratahs matches over the years & I also follow St George in Rugby League & was there when they won their last GF, so that makes me even more balanced than you. Also I'm from Sydney.

lol :P i am just curious if there is a different feeling surrounding the clubs atm i know for me anyways WSW has so much energy and excitement surrounding it atm

Ok let me give you a couple of examples.

Carlton & Collingwood comes to GWS the crowd is 15K at most in a real competition.
Man U comes for a practice game in Sydney & they sell out in 3 mins in an 80K stadium.

To try to get more bums on seats AFL signs a Rugby League player for $2M a year.
To try to get more bums on seats FFA signs an aging football champion from Europe for $2M a year.
The AFL is ahead of the A-League in Sydney, but Football would easily be 20 times more popular than Aussie rules in Sydney, don't get fooled by your media. AFL in Sydney is only sightly bigger than Rugby (both) in Melbourne. How many RL players can you name?

If you are implying that Essendon play all their home games at Etihad which is basically at capacity each time, then this would be incorrect as we know the AFL moves the bigger drawing games to the MCG, in fact Essendon's biggest 3 "home" games for 2012 were at the MCG and every 2 years you can include the ANZAC Day game as well (not for 2012 that was Collingwood).

Link: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tg-essendon-bombers

The biggest issue facing the AFL is the equity in the draw as not all teams play each other once and some twice but not all. The bigger Melbourne teams always get to play each other twice though as a way for the AFL to maximize crowds.

Larger European clubs tend to achieve a steadier crowd throughout the season at their home grounds i.e. their grounds are close or at capacity for most games. I think this should be the aim of WSW to try to achieve close to capacity at Parramatta before moving say the derby to a larger stadium such as ANZ to maximize crowds in the future and create that strong home ground advantage.

No doubt a factor, same with the rugbys and gridiron.

I don’t really believe in the skill argument, playing AFL effectively takes a lot of skill. But there’s no doubt it’s a very physical game the game favours the tall and strong, whereas football is more accommodating of all sizes.

I can assure you all we ever hear is that western Sydney is not Sydney! And yes, I could well and truly name 10 NRL players. Probably 30 or so.

OK I’m out for now. I see your points.

England didn't occupy every country on this planet mate, and yet immense growth in world football continues.

Rugby and Rugby League also started in England and have been around for just about as long as football. Where is their growth? Haven't the Poms given these sports are fair run (unlike the eggball bogan run councils, govts and media here)?

As for your ALF, 150 years and all you have achieved is a costly venture into two other states with people still more interested in watching Iron Chef than ALF. The venture was created by ALF itself, forced upon the masses and nothing natural about its inclusion.

Sorry to bringing some reality into the argument.

Edited by paulc: 10/1/2013 05:13:32 PM

GWS have fans?? :lol:

Indoor Soccer globally is bigger then AFL.

Yes, latte sipping westies (wow contradiction!), who get free tickets week in week out!

I once heard it described by someone seeing it for the first time as "The footballing equivalent of 10 pin bowling with the gutter-guards up".

Gave me a chuckle.

Edited by petszk: 10/1/2013 06:20:55 PM