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2,000 donated though :lol: :lol: In one game last year 10k tickets for free were up for grabs. The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol:
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williamn wrote:can't believe 'mr football' has bumped this thread into its 25th page
but anyway gws giants memberships now offer free access to the sydney royal easter show on three different days. a one day ticket is like $40, so for someone who attends the easter show every year, my concession membership is already 80% paid off for a 3-game pack, so i might as well help out our struggling neighbours in homebush with increasing their "membership" numbers without the intention to go to any of their games.
Edited by williamn: 18/1/2013 05:03:55 PM How do we find out whether more members go to the show than GWS games?
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tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696.
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williamn wrote:
but anyway gws giants memberships now offer free access to the sydney royal easter show on three different days.
Edited by williamn: 18/1/2013 05:03:55 PM Sounds like good marketing, connecting with the community, it ticks all the right boxes, good on them
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sobkowski wrote:Justafan wrote:The real test will be in attendance. WSW only have something like 6,000 members at present but it appears to not affect their attendance starting with 9,000 crowds (slight dip to 6,500) and increasing to 10,000+ crowds, that is it is always above their membership numbers. People like me who cannot not attend each game tend to pay when we attend games, reasons why me and my friends have not become members. If Adelaide United offered a 3 game membership pack to be used during the season (as opposed to 3 game in row for Christmas half way through the season) I would sign up as this is usually the number of games I can attend in a year but I do not buy a season ticket for that reason. GWS has 10,000 members and besides a marquee game cannot pull crowds no where near this amount regularly to their games. GWS have members split between various areas (WS, Canberra, Victoria) to help boast numbers by offering cut price memberships, whereas WSW are basically from WS. Bit like North Melbourne if you are gonna include 1 game memberships for $25 in your member number and boast 30,000+ members it is reflected in attendance for example when they play a interstate team you are lucky to get 15,000 to a game. No point increasing membership numbers any way you can if your total attendance drops i.e. 2012 AFL crowds. In fact Collingwood's main contributor to income is social and gaming income, hence why they do not want the Pokie income laws changed. This is an area A-League clubs need to work on. If A-League clubs offered some cheaper membership options I am sure their membership numbers would increase significantly, not sure about the bottom line though which is probably why they do not bother. Get one of those non-game memberships ? This is my point for $65 do not see the value, instead I bought my son a original Adelaide United shirt and cap. if they made it more attractive ie at least 1 free game then I would consider the option. Just comparing to the value of AFL membership.
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williamn wrote:can't believe 'mr football' has bumped this thread into its 25th page
but anyway gws giants memberships now offer free access to the sydney royal easter show on three different days. a one day ticket is like $40, so for someone who attends the easter show every year, my concession membership is already 80% paid off for a 3-game pack, so i might as well help out our struggling neighbours in homebush with increasing their "membership" numbers without the intention to go to any of their games. So basically GWS are disguising the fact they are giving out free memberships both via the MCG membership (no game membership) and the Royal Easter show. Then you have the $2.50 a month pet membership, the $2.50 baby membership plus many other no game memberships. The expenses will be more then the revenue on all of GWS's membership packages. Really sad that the club has to go to these lengths.
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Clinton wrote:williamn wrote:can't believe 'mr football' has bumped this thread into its 25th page
but anyway gws giants memberships now offer free access to the sydney royal easter show on three different days. a one day ticket is like $40, so for someone who attends the easter show every year, my concession membership is already 80% paid off for a 3-game pack, so i might as well help out our struggling neighbours in homebush with increasing their "membership" numbers without the intention to go to any of their games. So basically GWS are disguising the fact they are giving out free memberships both via the MCG membership (no game membership) and the Royal Easter show. Then you have the $2.50 a month pet membership, the $2.50 baby membership plus many other no game memberships. The expenses will be more then the revenue on all of GWS's membership packages. Really sad that the club has to go to these lengths. AFL ego boosting and dick measuring.
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 This thread keeps going round and round.
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Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696. I meant the real figure. Not the one the AFL give to idiots.
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tsf wrote:Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696. I meant the real figure. Not the one the AFL give to idiots. Stadiums control the attendance figures - not the AFL. And let us all be honest here - if there is one sporting body that does not have to worry too much about its attendances, it's the AFL, as for the rest.... Edited by Mister Football: 18/1/2013 10:11:23 PM
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tsf wrote:In one game last year 10k tickets for free were up for grabs. The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Which is why their profitability is so poor, compared to WSW
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Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote:Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696. I meant the real figure. Not the one the AFL give to idiots. Stadiums control the attendance figures - not the AFL. And let us all be honest here - if there is one sporting body that does not have to worry too much about its attendances, it's the AFL, as for the rest.... Edited by Mister Football: 18/1/2013 10:11:23 PM The fact they give away ten thousand tickets and fuck all people even bother when it's free tells you enough.
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tsf wrote:Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote:Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696. I meant the real figure. Not the one the AFL give to idiots. Stadiums control the attendance figures - not the AFL. And let us all be honest here - if there is one sporting body that does not have to worry too much about its attendances, it's the AFL, as for the rest.... Edited by Mister Football: 18/1/2013 10:11:23 PM The fact they give away ten thousand tickets and fuck all people even bother when it's free tells you enough. are you talking about GCU and the Titans? (the former GCU that is)
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All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing. Kids (12 and under) Go Free in Jan to Wanderers home games http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wswanderersfc/ticketsWestern Sydney Wanderers fans to travel on public transport for free http://parramatta-advertiser.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/soccer-western-sydney-wanderers-fans-to-travel-on-public-transport-for-free/So 13 home games at what $10? a public transport ticket would be a free $130 offer. MELBOURNE HEART TICKET DEAL Simply present your Stars Membership or BBL|02 Derby match-day ticket at the Gate of the Melbourne Heart Game at AAMI Park and receive 50% OFF a ticket to their clash with Brisbane Roar. Match starts at 4.00pm and will finish at approximately 5.45pm. A short distance away, the MCG game will kick-off at 7.00pm and finish at 10.00pm. http://www.melbournestars.com.au/news/2013/01/06/melbourne-derby-match-day-informationThankfully the bitters here on 442 aren't running Soccer in Australia as their desperate attempts to stay "pure" to feel some moral superiority over other codes would hurt the growth of the sport.
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Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing.
. But the AFL giving 10k away for free and about 3k taking them up on it is called embarrassing.
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tsf wrote:Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing.
. But the AFL giving 10k away for free and about 3k taking them up on it is called embarrassing. Sure they did :^o :-({|= :roll:. Got to love anti-Aussie Rules conspiracy theories :lol:. As bad and pathetic as the anti-Soccer ones. Edited by Jeff W: 18/1/2013 11:55:16 PM
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Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing. I don't think they go to the extent of the AFL with GWS
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paulc wrote:Jeff W wrote:
Secondly, fans of every code have trashed the other codes for over a century. Fans of all codes try to justify their abuse by claiming victim status and that they are only retaliating for past wrongs. As we know Soccer-haters called the game wogball and a game for "pooftas" and sheilas; Aussie Rules-haters called that game aerial ping-pong and also a game for "pooftas" or in modern times "gayfl"; Rugby League-haters called RL players "bumsniffers". Hello homophobia!.
You're trying to justify it's an even paying field out there :lol: Of course it isn't. Whichever code is dominant uses its resources and friends in the media to "protect" its traditional turf. Surely you're not trying to argue that the Sydney media is pro-AFL. There's a reason why Wanderers was rushed into the comp. this season with the FFA's own money and why the location chosen for the Western Sydney WC bid stadium was Blacktown, over the originally favoured site Campbelltown, away from any NRL teams and the stadium made rectangular so the AFL couldn't use it either despite GWS setting up and training next door. It was the AFL's initial idea for GWS to play out of Blacktown and share a multi-purpose stadium with Soccer and possibly Cricket as well (AFL use April-Sept; A-league Oct-March). Lowy however made sure the AFL got nothing in Western Sydney. That forced the AFL to go for Skoda instead at Homebush. All codes and their respective administrators play it hard to gain an advantage over the others. Edited by Jeff W: 19/1/2013 01:10:00 AM
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ozboy wrote:Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing. I don't think they go to the extent of the AFL with GWS http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/gold-coast-titans-guarantee-they-will-beat-melbourne-or-give-away-free-tickets/story-e6frep5x-1226300831329The Titans lost of course :lol:. The gates were also thrown up for Gold Coast United to try and attract new supporters. 11-12,000 turned up from memory. Bloody Palmer screwed that club ](*,). Most free tickets are offered to kids and all codes do it especially in non-traditional markets or in Heart's case where Victory has already grabbed the lionshare of the Soccer following. It's all about attracting the next generation. Just as players visiting schools and connecting with the community at a local level is. As the old saying goes the only bad publicity is no publicity. As for GWS - even if all the AFL's dreams come true, it will take 30 years at least for them to even find a niche market equivalent to the Swans now. It's a marathon; not a sprint. In the short-term they'll be fodder for the Aussie Rules-haters to easily mock. Even if they play finals regularly in 5 years from now and win a flag, it'll be hard to tell the bandwagon element from the genuine supporter. Sports fans especially Sydneysiders IMO love jumping aboard winners that represent them but can just as quickly jump off as soon as they starting losing. The AFL learnt that the hard way with the Swans in the 80s and early 90s. All codes when they expand face the same issue. It's why the NRL are thinking of playing it safe and expanding within its north-eastern states heartland. Still they tried a second team in Brisbane once before and it was a flop. The A-league doesn't really have an obvious next "safe" expansion region to head into IMO. Wollongong maybe but that's probably sentimentality from the old NSL days talking. Supporting a professional club is an expense business. There's no guarantees and it takes a heap of resources and good/smart people to make it work even if you pull it off. It's why Wanderers deserve all the praise they are getting (except for the 'we're gonna be bigger than Melbourne Victory' chatter =; ). Edited by Jeff W: 19/1/2013 03:17:14 AM
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RobB wrote:I don't disagree with any of your points. I just think many of us, including some journo's like Simon Hill have decided to stop being the victim and stand up for ourselves. I also think one of the points i want to re-highlight is that i don't believe i've ever read an anti-rival code article by a football writer ever! I don't mean an article in response to an attack, i mean the sort of articles which come out of the blue as a criticism of their game, players or administration. If you can find one, i'll be surprised. This is what i'm talking about:  (This photo isn't from this article-it's to show who he is) http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/afl-masters-art-of-window-dressing-as-nrl-suffers-for-its-transparency-20100730-10zr9.html'Soccer is a joke,'' the most celebrated player/coach in AFL history, Ron Barassi, declared for the nth time at a forum in Hobart mid week. The occasion was the Ron Barassi Senior Memorial Debate, named for his father, killed at Tobruk.The article is a non-football story but Barassi in typical AFL fashioned managed an unprovoked blast at football at an AFL forum. In spite of the fact the A League also works under a salary cap. Craig Foster says hi! http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/football/forget-eggball--the-futures-round-20110820-1j3jh.htmlAlso you've posted a link to a Roy Masters article who is the worst of the anti-Aussie Rules crusaders. Just as Soccer fans remember all the wogball etc crap they continually copped from supporters of the other codes, Aussie Rules fans also have long memories and remember Sydney-based commentators of the other codes openingly rejoicing around 1991-93 that the "southern invader" had been finally beaten off after just 10 years when the Swans lost 26 straight games, financially they were in strife, and home crowds at the SCG had often slipped below 10k. As for that Barassi pic - cringeworthy, embarrassing and moronic. Obviously a attention grabbing stunt (which Barassi has done at times over the years) to provoke the maximum reaction from both sets of fans but especially Soccer supporters given it was done at the height of the fight over Etihad stadium. Classic News Ltd dividing and ruling. As a Richmond supporter, Barassi was so often our enemy so you're talking to the wrong person if you're looking for someone to defend him. The quirkiness of the media down here is that most of the Soccer haters just so happen to barrack for Barassi's first club Melbourne (Demons) - Mike Sheahan, Neil Mitchell and Gerard Healy. So they idiolise him as their childhood footy hero. Add Garry Lyon who is another former Demon in the Melbourne media. They are bloody everywhere. They also don't hide their hatred of my club Richmond so I have two reasons to despise and ignore them. RobB wrote: Even though it seems this thread veers off-topic at times, this is the nature of what the code war's in WS is all about. It's a lot about fear of football. Even though we sometimes think it's ridiculous that the AFL would be scared of the HAL, they are. They are probably more acutely aware of the rise of the game and the numbers that play it and the implications for their future than many football fans realise. You do not throw $200M and enormous resources at a region just to introduce a game. I doubt it's ever been done anywhere else in the world. $200M is $40M more than we got for our new television deal for the next four years.
The $200m will be spread over 10 years from memory. Spending $20m p.a. on a new AFL club, local clubs including the start of a new one in Blacktown itself, junior development including in schools when the sport was once banned etc isn't that unbelievable. The average Aussie Rules fans I know laugh at the "fear of Soccer" branding whenever it is mentioned given most have been hearing it for years and decades and they see and hear as much 'fear of AFL' talk coming the other way these days especially from within Sydney. This thread and the ad nauseum ones on League Unlimited are examples no different to the anti-Soccer ones on bigfooty. There are supporters of all codes who fear, envy and hence hate another code. Then there's the continual articles in the media about the battle for Western Sydney. Now I would've thought any proper article about football in Western Sydney would need to include Rugby League and the popularity of local clubs Parra, Wests Tigers and Penrith, but nope the non-Aussie Rules journo has it as a battle just between Soccer and AFL. Go figure! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/gallery/battle-of-the-codes-heats-up-in-sydneys-west/story-e6freye9-1226557021489How the friar tuck can a battle heat up when the AFL season doesn't start for over another two months from now and by then the A-league season will be basically over. They play in differnt seasons FFS! GWS right now are more interested in beating the Suns in a membership sign-up race. Edited by Jeff W: 19/1/2013 07:18:02 AM
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Jeff W wrote:tsf wrote:Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing.
. But the AFL giving 10k away for free and about 3k taking them up on it is called embarrassing. Sure they did :^o :-({|= :roll:. Got to love anti-Aussie Rules conspiracy theories :lol:. As bad and pathetic as the anti-Soccer ones. Edited by Jeff W: 18/1/2013 11:55:16 PM I like AFL you knob.
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The below article caught my eye this morning with reference to Penrith's Rugby League Academy. An important issue is the allocation of government funding for such projects. Also the development of a new West Sydney Stadium or possible redevelopment of Penrith Stadium has some interest. Quote:Academy just part of Penrith's bold plan to return to their glory days Published: January 20, 2013 - 3:00AM   Bright future … Plans for a new Panthers academy will hopefully result in the region continuing to produce players of the calibre of Lachlan Coote. Photo: Supplied The Panthers have unveiled their plans to create an NRL academy the envy of its rivals as part of a bold redevelopment of their precinct. The Penrith Junior Rugby League competition is the largest junior nursery in the world, with more than 8500 participants every year. Until now they haven't had the facilities required to properly nurture their talents. However, a master document - obtained by Fairfax Media - outlines a strategy to create a world-class facility which includes playmaker and positional academies, an NRL gymnasium, a high-performance unit and state-of-the-art rooms for physiotherapy, medical needs and video/computer analysis. The facility will also house two all-weather playing fields to cater for the training needs for the NRL, NYC and junior representative teams, to be located within the previous golf driving range and the existing ground to the north of the old golf facility. "We compete in a national sporting competition which has global appeal,'' Panthers executive general manager Phil Gould says in the document. ''If we are to truly represent the biggest and fastest-growing junior league in the country, then we need to be the biggest and most progressive sporting franchise in the country - certainly Western Sydney. "Our objective is to create the Panthers NRL Academy, an organisation with the tools to support, market, develop and grow all aspect of rugby league in Western Sydney and Western NSW, from juniors through to our national NRL side. "It is Panthers' belief that our home base for the NRL Panthers franchise needs to be the most visible and recognisable sporting landmark in Western Sydney. This development will deliver this.'' The academy is the first step in an $850 million masterplan to redevelop the Panthers Entertainment precinct to provide a fitting community facility for one of the fastest-growing areas in the country. It is understood officials have been working closely with all levels of government to ensure required funds are raised.''We will also develop three additional community playing fields for junior league, school sports, recreational Tag football competitions and even for use by other clubs,'' Gould said. ''Stage II will include the construction of an indoor multi-purpose Community Sport Centre for Western Sydney including aquatic centre, public gymnasium, huge range of indoor sports which will be open 24 hours a day as a safe haven to get youths off the streets, outdoor cycling, walking and jogging tracks, exercise stations, Scouts Association and the sports sciences campus of the University of Western Sydney. It will be a huge healthy lifestyles precinct for the people of Western Sydney - the place to be.'' The other key to the Panthers' vision is their stadium itself. The NSW government released its stadia strategy last year, which signalled the prospect of a ''tier two'' stadium in western Sydney.
Penrith officials will lobby to ensure either a redevelopment of Centrebet Stadium or the creation of a brand new ground. This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/academy-just-part-of-penriths-bold-plan-to-return-to-their-glory-days-20130119-2czzq.html
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there is no code war in the western suburbs.....i support football(soccer) [size=9]and there are no other codes.......[/size]
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Jeff W wrote:blah, blah, blah Another AFL stooge on an Australian Football forum:oops: Do a u turn and head back to bigVFL
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sobkowski wrote:Regarding that penrith. Nrl complex upgrade, and your mention of wanderers potentially moving there.
I think we should stay at parra. It is much more "alive" than penrith, in that there are cafes, restauraunts, etc for fans to go to pre or post match. I'd agree on this post too. And fans from other areas like, Liverpool, Bankstown and Castle hill will have to travel twice as far to get to Penrith as oppose to Parramatta.
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sobkowski wrote:Regarding that penrith. Nrl complex upgrade, and your mention of wanderers potentially moving there.
I think we should stay at parra. It is much more "alive" than penrith, in that there are cafes, restauraunts, etc for fans to go to pre or post match. +1, if any stadium could do with upgrades surely adding capacity to the northern and southern ends of Parramatta, then the Eels could play all games there and Wanderers could fit extra in for derbies.
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ozboy wrote:Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing. I don't think they go to the extent of the AFL with GWS GCU and the Titans are the only clubs I am aware of who completely opened their gates up to the public, for very modest attendances it has to be said.
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A poster mentioned the race to be the first to sign up 10,000 memberships between the Suns and Giants. The Giants are currently at 7,169, roughly 3,000 short of their figure from last season, with over two months to go till the start of the season. http://membership.gwsgiants.com.au/I don't know the current Suns figure, but last figure I saw they were also over 7k.
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Mister Football wrote:ozboy wrote:Jeff W wrote:All codes offer freebies. It's called smart marketing. I don't think they go to the extent of the AFL with GWS GCU and the Titans are the only clubs I am aware of who completely opened their gates up to the public, for very modest attendances it has to be said. GWS is the only club I am aware of that have undertaken it as a season long practice, rather than one-off games
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Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote:Mister Football wrote:tsf wrote: The 'official' attendance was a little over 5k :lol: Their lowest attendance for the season was their last game: 6,696. I meant the real figure. Not the one the AFL give to idiots. Stadiums control the attendance figures - not the AFL. And let us all be honest here - if there is one sporting body that does not have to worry too much about its attendances, it's the AFL, as for the rest.... Edited by Mister Football: 18/1/2013 10:11:23 PM As this thread is about West Sydney, then I think the AFL should have great concern. In a country where AFL is king & Soccer a fair way back. Man U, arguably the world's biggest soccer team, in a meaningless friendly sells out an 80K stadium, while Collingwood the world's greatest AFL side struggles to get 7,192 in their first competitive match in Western Sydney.
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