Why do the Suns feel the need to have a well known band play at every match?

Sydney Swans are the ONLY club ever to offer FREE ENTRY, FREE TRANSPORT AND FREE MEAL to a match for the WHOLE FAMILY.

Melbourne Storm offered entry for $1 last year in the lead up to the new broadcast deal but no code will ever match the discounting and figure fudging of the AFL.
The AFL need to do this of course because they don't have a natural following

Would love to see the relationship breakdown between $ spent per person attending on advertising(including in kind)between GCU, Melbourne Heart,Wanderers,Suns and West Giants

Would have to be 50:1 at a starting point in favour of the AFL clubs

I think we would all expect a soccer team introduced into its very own heartland to do better than a game that is largely unknown in the same area.

A better parallel is to compare to an expansion team introduced into its own heartland by the VFL.

As it happens, just as WSW is now the 10th team in the A-League, the VFL introduced a 10th team back in 1908 - the University Football Club.

As it happens, UFC managed an average attendance of around 9,200 in 1909, its second season.

WSW is already ahead of that average in only its first season.

So on balance, I would conclude that the A-League is far more advanced than where the VFL was circa 1909.

Looking at the parallels of WSW and UFC, I would conclude that WSW's future is bright.

A witty, original and side-splitting response.

I am amaze that this is still going.
With 2.2million population supposedly living in western Sydney, there is enough heads to be shared among all the code.
The biggest work to be done is to get them into a football code at all. I know large groups of people don't like any of the football code, they prefer single individual sport/games like tennis or bowling.. even computer games.. IPL (IGN Pro League "they play CoD, SCIII, WOW etc".

Edit: And, most of the asian here don't follow A-League, they still belittle the game, they don't know anything outside EPL and usual giants like Barca, Real, Inter, Juv, Bayern Munich, PSG, Roma.

Edited by zutto09: 20/1/2013 09:49:57 PM

[size=6]70% plus[/size] of all your posts are spent promoting another code and denigrating football.
You have zero right to be here , ala the other forums you've already been banned from over the years

Everybody has a right to be here as long as they follow the rules. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

how are there no rules against deliberate trolling?

The thread is about a supposed code battle in Western Sydney, and that includes AFL, you and I may not like or agree with someone's comments but if it is on topic how is that trolling?

This thread is about an imaginary code battle in Western Sydney that doesn't exist, and thus should've been locked a long time ago. Countless threads have been locked on here for less.

Schultzy

a soccer fan started this thread in good faith, and I have joined in the discussion in good faith, and from the very start spoke positively on the good work WSW did in setting itself up in such a short time frame to be a legitimate challenger for the championship.

For the most part, my posts have been quality and have added substance to the discussion, occasionally offering a different perspective (and goodness knows this board needs it), unfortunately, the same can not be said for many others who have resorted to offering up personal abuse and little else.

They will just need to grow up and learn to conduct themselves properly in the future.

I'm not talking about one thread...

I do agree that the code battle is largely a media beat up, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, there was an article on it this weekend in the DT. It too focused largely on the Wanderers and the Giants, but in the past two years (according to them) the code battle has been between the NRL and the AFL.

So who are the protaganists in this code battle?

Shockingly, perhaps each sport is trying to do the very best for its own sport.

Now there's a novel thought.

I agree about the imaginary code battle comment, but I am yet to see any reason to lock the thread. It appears to be generating on topic discussion.

Also, actually, I don't see a huge problem with people comparing the two clubs.

They have had very different births, very different contexts, and the numbers WSW have managed in a short space of time are to be commended.

What's wrong with people unpicking all that and comparing notes?

Why not learn from history (and thus my account of when the VFL introduced a 10th team back in 1908)?

Even within the Australian Football fraternity, many are of the view that a mistake has been made with GWS, either the idea of starting a team in such an antagonistic environment, or the manner in which the squad has been brought together. People are right to dissect that and to highlight areas where WSW have been better.

Having said all that, it should be remembered that in the earliest days of WSW's incarnation, Buckley referred to following the AFL model in setting up WSW.

So despite all the differences, there are also many similarities.

Let us discuss these amicably, intelligently and with a view to furthering our own understanding and knowledge.

This thread thus far;



-PB

Shooting blanks?

You mean a team like Port introduced into SA AFL heartland bleeding money and being kept alive by AFL and SANFL with a dwindling fan base, there is a Expansion success story in AFL heartland.

Port's last few years haven't been great, but it still boasts over 30,000 members, and in 2014 moves into the upgraded Adelaide Oval where it's future will be assured.

AFL mentality on show here: It's inconceivable that people who have seen AFL don't like it therefore the reason it struggles must be because it is "largely unknown". After all, it's not as if there has already been a team in Sydney for 30 years....

AFL went to West Sydney, where they knew they would struggle to combat football, not RL. AFL went with a $200M treasure chest (they have the money so why not).
The Giants with 10 times the media attention of the Wanderers, not justified.
AFL in this country is the best AFL competition in the world, the A-League is not in the top twenty football competition in the world.
Let's remember this is AFL (competition) v A-League (competition) with WSW coming out well on top.
This is not Football v AFL (Sport), because this is not a fair competition in West Sydney as seen with the arrival of the most famous clubs in each respective sport (Man U, sells out in 3 mins, Collingwood, 8,132, friends, pets, a few Swans fans & Victorians tourists).

The Wanderers have overcome their first hurdle, exceeding the average attendances University Football Club managed in its second season in 1909.

The next hurdle will be to exceed the longevity of other soccer clubs who have started with flying colours in the past, off the top of my head: Collingwood, Carlton and Northern Spirit.

With each milestone reached, we gain further confidence that we have on our hands a club capable of surviving a century or more, and not merely years.

I would ask the moderators that this thread be especially bookmarked so that we can all return in a century to see how things have gone.

It's interesting that ABS statistics show that more people born overseas (from both English and non-English speaking backgrounds) watch AFL games live than any other sport, so there might be some truth in what you are saying.

In fairness, I concluded that WSW's future looked bright, so aren't you reinforcing my argument?

Mister Football still in AFL mode I see. How surprising :lol:

The support that WSW has gained so far, including the atmosphere that is created at matches, is something the AFL would be very envious of. Building that connection is vital for clubs and WSW have managed to cultivate a very exciting fan experience so far.

Yes, sustaining it is the key, but the same could be said for GCS and GWS, with the former going backwards this year. Its not just a Football issue, its a sport wide focus, so theres no need to isolate a few teams in our game as your examples and leave out others from other codes. It just sounds like you want to talk down the game again unfortunately.

I cannot emphasis, we are comparing AFL (Greatest AFL competition) v A-League (not in the top 20 football competition in the world) & the A-League does quite well.

Now if we compare EPL (richest football league) getting $8billion TV rights to the 20th best AFL competition in the world, East Timor, where last year, 15 Aussie expats wanted a kick around & paid 15 locals a $1 a hour & won the game 105 to 1 (the expats were half tanked) was the highlight of the AFL season in Eat Timor last year.

That certainly warrants ongoing emphasis.

If football followers stop posting from now on the thread will die

Anyone that has studied logic can see straight through MisterFootball's fallacies.

He states that 'the Wanderers have been a success on the field while GWS lost almost every match'.

What he fails to recognise... is that our games' big selling point is both atmosphere - and competitiveness. Every club can win against any club every week in this comp - SFC were bottom in bad form, beat the Gypsies. Wanderers were mid table, beat Adelaide by 6 who are challenging. AFL's strategy to pull in fans is saturation marketing + free tickets; FFA's is a classy kit, local-community team and a winning one. Neither strategy discredits the other - they are different approaches. Most of these 10k+ that have turned up against the gypsies and tards are going to stick around, if not more. That is just as legit as the AFL's free tickets and marketing and cheap memberships deal, no difference between except the millions of $ that AFL have to burn that FFA don't.

What was the point of mentioning Collingwood, Carlton and Northern Spirit? Was it so you could mention Collingwood? Have a dig?

For the benefit of the others who may not know, Collingwood specifically and to a lesser extent Carlton were both formed or strongly affiliated with their namesake AFL clubs (along with interested soccer clubs or people to help fund and run them) as a way of tapping into that period of the NSL when a push moving away from the ethnic-based clubs was influenced by the success of Perth Glory. These clubs believed there was a market and were ready to deal with the "enemy" to make a buck.

But in no way were both of those clubs embraced by football fans, as they were closely aligned and therefore perceived as AFL interlopers. The real hope by the AFL clubs was that AFL followers may embrace the soccer clubs in the summer season and the AFL in the winter as a "package deal" making more money for the AFL clubs. Although that didn't happen (certainly not with Carlton because i followed them), the real problem was that no other interested fan of a rival AFL team would support the Collingwood, or Carlton soccer clubs. Just correct your assumption of early success for for Collingwood, that's incorrect, they were near the bottom rather early in the their only season.

Those two clubs were fully-professional but were hit with the economic climate of the day and with a lack of supporters eventually folded. As did Northern Spirit who also struggled getting enough supporters. (Ask Robbie Slater how much money he lost).

But my dear friend you picked these clubs to specifically to make a point that they were failures as new entities because you like to denigrate the game with your mind-games. Why didn't you pick Brisbane Strikers who won a GF in the NSL and do actually still exist.

Why didn't you pick Perth Glory who also won GF's, and reached the finals in the first two years as a model for the Wanderer's?. And for that matter why don't you list Melbourne Victory (was top of the ladder for a while in S.1, Champions in S.2), Sydney FC (inaugural champions) or any other new club in the A League who have had some success and are still with us and going strong?

Why? Well we know why.