By definition you are agnostic, not athetist then. ](*,)

Go and actually read up on the terms you're using, lest you look like notorganic.

So in other words you don't have an appropriate response?

Don't make accusations with no proof. What do you know?

Feel free to continue arguing. I expected more from you.

I never said I was an atheist you fucking idiot :lol:

You were identifying yourself with the definitions you were giving #-o

Like I said, if you accept it as the truth that there is no god, this is BY DEFINITION, a belief (see: the definition of the word 'belief').

An atheist is a person who accepts it as the truth that there is no god. Therefore, this is a system for BELIEF as much as anything else.

If you do not believe anything one way or another, you are NOT an Atheist. By the very cut and dry definitions of the words, this is the end of this argument.

However, I will humour you further. You then went on to compare 'belief' with scientific principles. This is NOT the same. You're comparing accepting something with no physical evidence as the truth with scientific observation with matching physical confirmation. That's just absurd.

You accuse me of "strawman" arguments, when you've turned a debate about the definition of Atheism into your strawman argument about the varying scales of grey that is 'belief'.

So back to the topic at hand: you accept it as true that there is no such thing as deities. ATHEISM IS A BELIEF.

/argument

You stupid fuck. I can separate my argument from my belief. When did this become about me and what I believe?

Atheism is a lack of beliefs. It by definition cannot be a belief. You accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about when you cannot grasp negative reasoning you idiot.

I don't accept that its true that there are no such thing as dieties. There is nothing to suggest either way. I consequentially have no opinion either way. I lack belief of any sort.

Get that through your thick skull.

End argument my ass you're incapable of entertaining anything other than yourown opinion.

I'm enjoying my hobby of no hobby at all just like many people enjoy their belief of not having beliefs :)

/end argument.

Atheism isn't a lack of belief, atheism is the belief that a god does not exist.

THANK YOU!

These aren't my opinions. These are cut and dry facts. The definitions of words aren't my "opinions". There is no element of grey here "you stupid fuck".

This.

whereas when I meant extremist atheists, for notor when he comes back, I meant people that jump down the throat of religious people with GOD IS NOT REAL AND YOU ARE WRONG WITH YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM LOOK AT ME I'M SO VERY CLEVER.

Please read the last 2 pages.

If atheism fits your definition what are people that lack belief entirely?

I'd really rather not read the last two pages thanks very much.

Everyone believes in something. Doesn't matter whether it's religious, or a spiritual being, everybody has some kind of belief system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheists

But not beliving in god is still a belief right? :lol:

Do you know what an anti-theist is?

Atheist: from the greek "a-" meaning 'without' and "theos" meaning 'god'.

It is still a belief. By every definition of the word. Why are you coming back for more?

Don't you and notorganic have a circle-jerk to get to?

Explain to me again how by the same principles not having a hobby is still a hobby. Its the hobby of not having a hobby. Since you ignored it every other time?

Anti-theism is a religion, it is the belief that there is no God. Hence my rejection of your definition of atheism. The direct opposition to belief in god is no belief in God which is what you've argued for pages. This is the definition of anti-theism sir.

The only person who's jerking is you and your ego :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

This is for those who think that a lack of belief in god is a belief that there is no God. You can't prove a negative Afro, no matter how much bullying you do.

Edited by benelsmore: 19/1/2013 12:57:17 AM

I'm having much fun seeing Afro pull out every stop he has just so he has the last word. God help us the day he admits to not knowing something or not knowing more than everyone about something :lol:

When he grows up i'm going to miss his insults and dangerously severe elitism. :lol:

Well then, you're repeating arguments which is tiresome. It's not my problem that you're lazy.

People consider and believe what they're told to. Your premise is baseless and unsubstantiated.

Edited by RJL25: 19/1/2013 01:00:50 AM

I would have given up but i'd like a response to my questions.

We're not forcing you to read it.

And then with your very next post

All I heard was "I would have given up [size=6]but i'm a massive tool"[/size]

So you'e in this thread exclusively to troll are you? Are you enjoying yourself? I responded to Kiwichick because she brought up exactly the same argument that had been brought up numerous times over the past 2 pages.

Hear what you want but i'd like to see someone respond to replacing their argument about belief with hobby and demonstrate why both are or are not applicable.

I saw it on another forum and no one could come up with anything. I was hoping for a response to it. Strange how one word using the exact same principle makes it all so much more implausible.

So unless you have something to say jog on son :roll:

Atheism is not a belief system. If it weren't for man's invention of gods, the word atheist wouldn't exist.

Mate, I actually agree with you, BUT, your being a dick mate! I'm trying to get across to you that clearly your not going to change anyone's mind, all your doing is just repeating yourself over and over like a jerk and completely hijacking the thread! Do you even remember what the thread is about anymore? Here's a hint, its not about whether or not Atheism is a belief!

So unless you have something to say ON THE FARKING TOPIC, jog on son

Edited by RJL25: 19/1/2013 01:21:07 AM

benelsmore has caught notorganic fever. Has no rebuttal for anything else I've said and keeps repeating the same flawed question over and over like he's "winning" the argument.

A hobby is different, it doesn't govern how you live your life. And you either DO or DON'T have a hobby, you don't "maybe" have a hobby.

antitheism is just a branch of atheism, like catholicism being a branch of christianity. It's defined as "opposing belief in the existence of a god", rather than the clearly defined not believing in god which we spoke about before. Linguistically it applies to the third party instead of the individual as Atheism does.

I tried at the start (on page 2 or 3) being reasonable which led to sarcasm and insults. I must admit to dropping to Afro's level for which I apologize. I'm not here to change opinions but to have point's recognized on merit. If i'm going to cop it i'm going to at least get my point across ;) In my defense it has been incredibly frustrating repeating myself attempting to get an answer. It's also a Friday where my patience is non-existent.

I guess not much has to be said on the thread. I find it rich that people support a faiths decision to not hire/fire openly homosexual people.

It would be like my firm firing a young earth creationist for their beliefs on the formation of the earth and geological matters I think we'd have a lot to answer for. If we were to do such a thing and fire someone because their beliefs impaired their work habbits (lets assume they are suitably qualified from university), would it be just, or is it religious prejudice?

You do realise that your posting on an internet forum right?

Like Seriously?!?