Mister Football
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:The timing of this release on Wed/Thurs was odd, especially with Gillard out of the country. The cynic in me says it was released to hide how bad Gillard's Government really is. Wut? What does the Gillard government have to do with sporting clubs/teams cheating their fans? To suggest that Gillard is complicit or responsible is absolutely absurd. Two major issues impacting heavily on the current government have basically been supplanted for the last five days in terms of media interest.
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afromanGT
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Mister Football wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:The timing of this release on Wed/Thurs was odd, especially with Gillard out of the country. The cynic in me says it was released to hide how bad Gillard's Government really is. Wut? What does the Gillard government have to do with sporting clubs/teams cheating their fans? To suggest that Gillard is complicit or responsible is absolutely absurd. Two major issues impacting heavily on the current government have basically been supplanted for the last five days in terms of media interest. If anything this benefits the Coalition as the longer this goes on, the longer Abbott can get by without having to disclose party policies, and can just walk around taking glamour shots kissing babies.
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Carlito
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:The timing of this release on Wed/Thurs was odd, especially with Gillard out of the country. The cynic in me says it was released to hide how bad Gillard's Government really is. Wut? What does the Gillard government have to do with sporting clubs/teams cheating their fans? To suggest that Gillard is complicit or responsible is absolutely absurd. have you read Andrew bolts latest opinion piece ? He is using boltas spiel ..
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afromanGT
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:The timing of this release on Wed/Thurs was odd, especially with Gillard out of the country. The cynic in me says it was released to hide how bad Gillard's Government really is. Wut? What does the Gillard government have to do with sporting clubs/teams cheating their fans? To suggest that Gillard is complicit or responsible is absolutely absurd. have you read Andrew bolts latest opinion piece ? He is using boltas spiel .. No, I haven't read Andrew Bolt's piece. I never bother with his writing, I always feel stupider for the experience.
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Carlito
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Well let's just say he some how connects this to Julia Gillard :lol: and says this is a conspiricy to deflect from her
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afromanGT
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Yeah, she's also responsible for 9/11, shooting the sheriff and letting the dogs out.
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paulbagzFC wrote:Be very interesting if Cowboys are one of the NRL teams that have been found out.
-PB Looks like they are. :( Hopefully Brisbane and the Gold coast aren't involved.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Be very interesting if Cowboys are one of the NRL teams that have been found out.
-PB Looks like they are. :( Hopefully Brisbane and the Gold cost aren't involved. Yeah lol'd at this now in retrospect. Context of their naming hasn't been revealed yet. Surely they're not stupid enough in this day and age to dope >.< -PB
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afromanGT
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My money would be on Manly, Cowboys, Brisbane, Canterbury and the Roosters.
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Penrith, Canberra, North Queensland, manly, Newcastle and cronulla. The ARLC chief executive David Smith says clubs will be briefed by ASADA to shed more light on doping investigations. The six NRL clubs mentioned in the Australian Crime Commission report are to be briefed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority later on Tuesday. Australian Rugby League Commission chief executive David Smith told a media conference the briefings would take place but he could not give a timeline on how long the on-going investigations would take or when specific details might be made public. Manly, Cronulla, Penrith, Canberra, North Queensland and Newcastle are the NRL clubs mentioned in the ACC report into sports doping and corruption. They were advised by the NRL on Monday night but given no further information, leaving them unaware what they were being investigated over. "There is a briefing with ASADA and respective clubs as part of an ongoing investigation," said Smith. "It will take the ongoing investigations to the next stage. I can't pre-judge how long that will take." Investigators from auditors Deloitte visited the Knights last week, and seven-time premiership-winning coach Bennett said they checked on records as far back as seven years ago. Bennett, who only took over as Knights coach for the 2012 season, said he has quizzed all staff and players and was confident the current Newcastle set-up have nothing to worry about. "They want us to confess to something. I'm racking my head what we've got to confess to," said Bennett. "I've been through the staff, I've checked with all the players. "Whatever they're looking for, it hasn't happened in the past 18 months. So after that I've got no idea. "The information we're getting when they arrived here last week looking for records ... they were certainly talking about other years as far back as 2005 perhaps. "We've just got no idea. We've complied with everything they've asked for and we'll continue to do that. "We've got nothing to hide, not since I've been here anyway." Penrith captain Kevin Kingston said he was confident the club does not have a `drug problem'. "We trust our sports scientists. We don't take anything out of the ordinary. I barely take protein myself," Kingston said. "I don't think there is a drug problem at our club." http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1736032/Six-NRL-clubs-'in-ACC-report'
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Mister Football
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There will be a few NRL clubs who have pushed boundaries, like Essendon, but ultimately have been careful enough to stay on the legal side of WADA requirements.
There will be some clubs who might (might) have an individual rogue player juicing up, more than likely at reserve grade level, trying extra hard to make the grade.
There will be a few who are taking recreational drugs.
All in all - big deal.
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I have a question that is related to the ACC probe, or maybe isn't.
It's in regard to the "tanking" to get better draft picks in the AFL. Do normal AFL fans assume that it will happen when the finals contenders are apparent? What then happens to bookmakers - are they all in the know? Isn't that match-fixing?
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No one assumes tanking will happen but it's always talked of as a possibility when certain results suggest as such, it's not so much assumed an inevitability with some clubs but there's often the thought that it could occur. It's been a far less prevalent issue as of late with Gold Coast and GWS having monopoly of the early picks
EDIT BTW I haven't read too much into the ACC report but I don't think 'tanking' was an issue although I may be wrong, the AFL was inducting it's own inquiry into tanking allegations before all this doping and crime speculation has run rampant, one would be inclined to think that could even be a blessing in disguise for Melbourne (the club involved)
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Quote: one would be inclined to think that could even be a blessing in disguise for Melbourne (the club involved) Well one can only hope they aren't drug cheats after those performances.
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Tanking sounds more like the sumo match fixing issue, than say the cricket or football controversies of past.
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Mister Football
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Tanking became an attractive proposition when the AFL introduced a priority pick. This effectively meant that in some seasons a club could get picks 1 and 3, and that is a massive advantage, you are getting two dibs at the best of the best - so it became very tempting to tank.
The priority pick has now been eliminated, so I would say that clubs are less likely to try and finish bottom because in most seasons, there is very little separating the first 3 or 4 picks.
Having said all that, even in the days when there was no draft, teams out of finals contention would start planning for the following season, getting game time into younger players, etc - which is a perfectly legitimate response - and as long as those players are still trying their best, then no one can complain.
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Quote:The NRL Season is off to a shaky start. It's being overshadowed by allegations of drug use.
The Cronulla Sharks have gone into lock-down and all betting on games involving Cronulla have been suspended..
Up to 14 players from the club are believed to have been interviewed by the sports anti-doping authority.
Reporter Jennifer Browning is at Shark Park.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-07/allegations-of-drug-use-within-cronulla-sharks/4558490?section=nsw
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Quote:How secret Bombers deal came unstuck Date March 28, 2013 75 reading now Roy Masters Rugby League Columnist A proposed deal between ASADA and Essendon whereby Bombers players would escape doping sanctions with zero penalty, while Cronulla players would be given a minimum six-month ban, was aborted following protests from lawyers acting for ASADA and Cronulla. The very same day that ARLC chief executive, Dave Smith, learnt of a proposed preferential deal to his main competitor, he raised it with Prime Minister Julia Gillard at a pre-arranged meeting in Sydney. While Smith is now confident any discriminatory deals are off the table, the AFL can be expected to be frustrated that 45 players from one of its most prominent clubs may be suspended for the season. Rumours of a secret deal have circulated since March 4, following a meeting in Sydney with representatives of the Sharks, ASADA and the NRL. Lawyers acting for Cronulla raised the question at the meeting whether Essendon players had been offered a lesser sanction. ASADA counsel, John Marshall SC, denied such a deal would be possible but the following day provided advice to Cronulla's legal team, led by Trish Kavanagh, that this was not the case. He was so chagrined by the revelation of a possible zero sanction to Essendon he told Cronulla counsel he was withdrawing from representing ASADA, for whom he had acted for 20 years. At the time 14 Cronulla players were considering their options, with 12 expected to accept guilt in the belief ASADA would propose a reduced six-month ban. Another two players were tipped to follow. But negotiations stalled as a result of the exposure of the Essendon deal. Lawyers acting for the Sharks are furious because the settlement could have seen the players back on the field by September. Now, however, the players are acting individually with their own lawyers, ruling out any prompt, joint resolution. During the tense meeting, Marshall indicated it would not be possible for the two codes to be treated differently and ASADA officials present nodded accord. The next morning, on March 5, Marshall revealed to counsel acting for Cronulla that he had been inadvertently misled and admitted there were preferred terms for Essendon. He said he had become aware of a letter to Essendon, and when Cronulla's counsel asked for it to be forwarded to them, Marshall did so. The letter, written in fluent legalese, made it clear that if the Essendon players met all of the qualifications asked, a zero sanction would apply. But NRL players were told the standard two-year ban could be reduced to one year under a ‘‘no significant fault’’ defence and that this could be further discounted by six months if they provided ‘‘substantial assistance’’, including dobbing in teammates and football club officials. It is not clear whether the substances used at both clubs are the same, giving rise to why the sanctions may have been different. However, the prospect of a difference forced Smith to raise it with the Prime Minister. Eleven days later, as rumours circulated of Essendon’s proposed superior deal – prepared by a recently appointed ASADA lawyer – Fairfax Media met ASADA chief executive Aurora Andruska in Canberra. Andruska, who had not been present at the Sydney meeting, said both codes would be treated equally. ‘‘Whatever I do, I have the scrutiny of WADA,’’ she explained. ‘‘We put ourselves up as a world leader in the fight against drugs in sport. How would we look if WADA overturned our sanctions? It would be the worst thing for our international reputation. I have a document given to the AFL and the NRL. It is the same document.’’ Andruska also told the Herald the ‘‘no fault’’ defence could be sustained only during a medical procedure. ‘‘The only time a zero sanction has been given was when the athlete has been unconscious during surgery by a doctor,’’ she said. Given reports that Essendon players were injected as many as 50 times, this defence would be difficult to sustain. Yet this was a possible outcome for Essendon players, according to the document provided by Cronulla’s lawyers. It was dated 12 days before the document was provided to Cronulla counsel on March 5. It begs the question why such a crucial deal, nearly two weeks old, was not revealed at the Sydney meeting, particularly when it was so forthcoming the following day. Asked to explain the conflict, a spokesperson for ASADA, perhaps relying on the fact that ASADA cannot sanction anyone but merely make recommendations on penalty, said: ‘‘ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person.’’ The Herald understands Essendon do not believe a zero sanction was ever an option, with a spokesman saying: ‘‘We have no comment.’’ Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-secret-bombers-deal-came-unstuck-20130327-2guor.html#ixzz2OmoNfvPZ
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Just throwing it out there...but why would ASADA allow their integrity to be undermined like that?
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afromanGT wrote:Just throwing it out there...but why would ASADA allow their integrity to be undermined like that? I'm certain there's more to it.
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afromanGT
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Mr wrote:afromanGT wrote:Just throwing it out there...but why would ASADA allow their integrity to be undermined like that? I'm certain there's more to it. Of course there's more to it. Questions must be asked.
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