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I'm just saying right...but 19 people wounded, 0 fatalities so far. Surely if you spend several thousand dollars on a military grade rifle you learn how to fire the fucking thing properly.
Like...shit...what was this guy thinking "yeah, I'm gonna make a stand, and if I fire enough bullets my point will get across"? Fucking spastic.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mothers-day-parade-shooting-in-new-orleans-leaves-17-injured/story-e6frg6so-1226640794369Quote:NINETEEN people were hurt in a shooting at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans, police said as the US city's mayor vowed to find those responsible.
Those wounded by gunfire in the early afternoon incident included 17 adults and two 10-year-olds, the local police department said in a statement.
"Many of the victims were grazed (some by bullets that ricocheted)," it said. "At this point, there are no fatalities, and most of the wounds are not life-threatening."
The children -- a boy and a girl -- suffered graze wounds and were in good condition while a man and a woman were still in surgery.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the shooting was unrelated to terrorism, calling it "street violence".
"From all of our intelligence, we have no reason to believe it was an act of terror, just street violence,'' said Mary Beth Romig, a spokeswoman for the FBI in New Orleans. But "certainly today was not a normal day in New Orleans".
RECOMMENDED COVERAGE New Orleans Mothers Day shooting
The incident comes less than a month after twin bomb blasts at the Boston Marathon killed three people and wounded more than 260. In December, a gunman opened fire at an elementary school in Connecticut, killing 20 children and six staff members.
New Orleans Police Department Superintendent Ronal Serpas told reporters earlier that shots from "maybe two different types of weapons" rang out police saw three people running away immediately after the shooting.
"It appears that these two or three people just for a reason unknown to us, started shooting at, toward or in the crowd," Superintendent Serpas said. "It was over in just a couple seconds."
Police were searching for a motive for the shooting and appealed to the public to come forward with any clues. A $US2500 cash reward has been offered to information leading to the arrest and indictment of those responsible.
"It's just a very tragic day for us," New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu told reporters after visiting some of the wounded in hospital.
"We will find them," he said. "It really is important in this town for people to step forward now so that we can find people who do this and make sure that they don't hurt innocent victims anymore."
"It is important for us ... to change the culture of death on the streets of New Orleans to a culture of life."
The Times-Picayune newspaper quoted Serpas as saying there were about 300 to 400 people in the parade and some 200 people in the area of the shooting.
The newspaper reported that one of its journalists, who was participating in the parade, heard six or seven shots being fired.
It also cited a parade participant as saying that those in the event were throwing teddy bears and candy to watching revellers.
"I think what frustrates all of us is the selfishness of some people, and I think what frustrates all of us is that the great culture of this city sometimes stumbles a bit because of the selfish behaviour of some people," Superintendent Serpas said.
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Heineken wrote:lukerobinho wrote:I wish we still had shooting ranges in Australia, surely there's nothing wrong with going in and being able to hire guns in a safe secure environment ? There are still shooting ranges here in Australia, they're just not everywhere like they are in Australia, and they're not advertised like health insurance. In Sydney, I believe there's one in Hornsby, there was (not sure if it is still around) in Maroubra and I think there's one near Penrith. They're like gun shops, rare, but they're there. Went to the Malabar range once, it was great fun. And dare I say it, hit bullseye a lot more than not. Not sure it's still there though.
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lukerobinho wrote:I wish we still had shooting ranges in Australia, surely there's nothing wrong with going in and being able to hire guns in a safe secure environment ? There are still shooting ranges here in Australia, they're just not everywhere like they are in Australia, and they're not advertised like health insurance. In Sydney, I believe there's one in Hornsby, there was (not sure if it is still around) in Maroubra and I think there's one near Penrith. They're like gun shops, rare, but they're there.
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I wish we still had shooting ranges in Australia, surely there's nothing wrong with going in and being able to hire guns in a safe secure environment ?
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Senate Democrats to drop assault weapon ban from gun bill US lawmakers will ditch a plan to ban assault weapons, all but killing off a key part of a gun control campaign prompted by a recent school massacre. Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein said her proposal would be left out of the firearms control bill. Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid made the decision, saying the proposal could not get enough votes. An assault-type weapon was used in the December massacre that killed 26 at a primary school in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting shocked the US and revived efforts in Washington to prohibit such firearms. But while polls show most Americans back an assault weapon ban, influential pro-gun lobby groups such as the National Rifle Association have pressed lawmakers not to support such a move. Sen Feinstein said she might put forward the assault weapons proposal, similar to a previous one she sponsored that expired in 2004, as an amendment to the bill. But she would be expected to require 60 votes from the 100-member Senate to succeed, a margin analysts say such an amendment would be highly unlikely to reach. "I very much regret it," Sen Feinstein said, reports the Associated Press. "I tried my best." The plan had only narrowly passed a Senate panel last week, underlining its poor chances of clearing the full chamber. It was one of four gun control measures backed by the panel - including expanded background check requirements for people buying guns, harsher punishments for illegal gun trafficking, and more money for security at schools. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21849814
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afromanGT
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Quote:America is currently anually getting trillion dollar deficits. I'd estimate about 1/3 of the guns would be baught back (I'm pretty sure that's the amount in aus) at $500 each it would cost about $50Billion. A lot of money but not too significant that it couldn't just be added to the debt. 1) You're going to have to pay more for automatic weapons like AR-15's that cost around $2000 retail. 2) They're trying to reign in the debt, not exacerbate it. You lose the "patriotism" aspect if it's to the detriment of the country's finances. 3) there's nobody out there who's going to lend america that kind of money knowing they're not going to get it back in this lifetime.
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afromanGT wrote:tbitm wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback. it could kill 2 bird with one stone. it would basically put in place a stimulus as people that need the money will sell their guns if they have them which grows economies, and it takes away a decent amount of guns people shouldn't have anyway. In theory, yes. However america has lost its AAA credit rating and therefore nobody will lend them the several billion dollars necessary to enact such an immense plan. The only way this happens is through commercial sponsorship which results in: 1) a very expensive advertising campaign in which companies get a massive PR boost for "doing the right thing for america" by funding the gun buyback. It costs the company (or companies) hundreds of millions but the subsequent PR and social fortitude is immense. 2) The company give vouchers, ensuring that the money has to be spent in their stores, buying business and forcing the vouchers (and no doubt additional money) is spent by the american public, stimulating the economy. I'd go for option 2. America is currently anually getting trillion dollar deficits. I'd estimate about 1/3 of the guns would be baught back (I'm pretty sure that's the amount in aus) at $500 each it would cost about $50Billion. A lot of money but not too significant that it couldn't just be added to the debt. I think you are misguided in the current political environment in the USA at the moment. If a large company that could afford aboutlike wallmart or apple were to come out in favour of doing a buy back they would be boycotted by %40 of the country which would be financial suicide. See "chick fillet" which was boycotted by pro gay rights people in america.
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afromanGT
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tbitm wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback. it could kill 2 bird with one stone. it would basically put in place a stimulus as people that need the money will sell their guns if they have them which grows economies, and it takes away a decent amount of guns people shouldn't have anyway. In theory, yes. However america has lost its AAA credit rating and therefore nobody will lend them the several billion dollars necessary to enact such an immense plan. The only way this happens is through commercial sponsorship which results in: 1) a very expensive advertising campaign in which companies get a massive PR boost for "doing the right thing for america" by funding the gun buyback. It costs the company (or companies) hundreds of millions but the subsequent PR and social fortitude is immense. 2) The company give vouchers, ensuring that the money has to be spent in their stores, buying business and forcing the vouchers (and no doubt additional money) is spent by the american public, stimulating the economy. I'd go for option 2.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback. it could kill 2 bird with one stone. it would basically put in place a stimulus as people that need the money will sell their guns if they have them which grows economies, and it takes away a decent amount of guns people shouldn't have anyway.
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paulbagzFC wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback. Sell them to the Middle East :lol: -PB Pulling out of the Middle East and Afghanistan would save over $100B
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afromanGT
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:lol: Nice PB.
The best way to do it would be to attempt to get commercial sponsorship of the gun buyback.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback. Sell them to the Middle East :lol: -PB
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Quote:A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside It's not an excuse, it's a legitimate issue. An american economy heavily in debt can't afford a gun buyback.
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The fact is the amendment was made in a time where they were using muskets, not the weapons of war we have today. -PB
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thupercoach wrote:Until the American people feel safe that their family won't be shot by a bunch of gang bangers they'll continue buying guns in the false belief that it offers them protection. And the NRA plays on that rather cleverly.
70% of gun murders in the US is gang-related.
Gun buybacks and bans only serve to take them away from people who do not pose the greatest danger to society.
Until the US government declares a proper "war on guns" the way they declared a war on terror, nothing will change. They need to attack the criminals and remove THEIR guns, this is at the root of the problem.
Once they remove those they can begin taking guns away from the law abiding citizens who will then have little to fear.
Going about it the other way around is divisive and at the end will achieve nothing. And the first time some crims shoot a family that gave up its guns the NRA will have a field day.
Take the guns away from the crims first. It's the only way for the people to have faith in the process and the intent.
I think it needs to be done in a gradual way. High round magazines first. Then the more potent weapons. A gun buy back ultimately, where the excuse of the cost is pushed aside. I am pretty happy with how things have gone here since Port Arthur. As Americans have 'patriotism' as a major virtue in their psyche, the gun reduction, sadly, needs to be framed in such a way.
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*Shrug* it's hardly 'news'. I mena, we all know mental healthcare in the US sucks balls.
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afromanGT wrote:http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72766&p=16 I wouldn't quite go as far to say it deserves a place in the 'useless article thread'. It's a serious topic, posted by a retarded user. I'd have posted the link to the news and politics thread.
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Until the American people feel safe that their family won't be shot by a bunch of gang bangers they'll continue buying guns in the false belief that it offers them protection. And the NRA plays on that rather cleverly.
70% of gun murders in the US is gang-related.
Gun buybacks and bans only serve to take them away from people who do not pose the greatest danger to society.
Until the US government declares a proper "war on guns" the way they declared a war on terror, nothing will change. They need to attack the criminals and remove THEIR guns, this is at the root of the problem.
Once they remove those they can begin taking guns away from the law abiding citizens who will then have little to fear.
Going about it the other way around is divisive and at the end will achieve nothing. And the first time some crims shoot a family that gave up its guns the NRA will have a field day.
Take the guns away from the crims first. It's the only way for the people to have faith in the process and the intent.
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The Newtown massacre, in which 20 primary schoolchildren died, has been hailed as a turning point on gun control in America. President Obama wants to ban assault weapons, but his opponents say more guns are the answer, not fewer. At a gun range, Panorama meets the teachers who want to take guns into their classrooms to protect their pupils. With many of America's mass killers having both mental health issues and easy access to guns, Panorama reveals the national crisis in mental healthcare which has left 4.5 million severely mentally ill Americans untreated. And reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover to show how easy it is in Texas to buy the type of assault weapon used at Newtown, even if you are mentally unstable. Will Newtown finally change things, or will the mass killings continue? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r1wcn
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(Video in link) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21712820President Barack Obama has said he is determined to curb gun violence in the United States following a series of massacres, some of them by people with mental health problems. But a BBC investigation for Panorama has found that in many parts of America people can legally buy guns despite suffering from severe mental illness. Panorama reporter Hilary Andersson goes undercover at a gun show in Texas and finds that it is possible to buy an AR15 assault rifle, identical to the one used by Adam Lanza to kill 20 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut in December, without any background checks. The charity Mental Health America said: "People with mental health conditions are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators and equating mental illness with violence is false." Edited by ozboy: 12/3/2013 12:14:58 AM
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