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humbert
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I find it disturbing that a member of this forum can openly, and without hesitation, express wholesale support for Hamas while equivocating on the question of the morality of flying a plane full of civilians into a building full of civilians. And all of it, passes with no comment from the rest of you, bar few exceptions.
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paulbagzFC
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humbert wrote:I find it disturbing that a member of this forum can openly, and without hesitation, express wholesale support for Hamas while equivocating on the question of the morality of flying a plane full of civilians into a building full of civilians. And all of it, passes with no comment from the rest of you, bar few exceptions. But along the same lines of thinking you could substitute Israel and any of its acts and still be in the same predicament. -PB
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zimbos_05
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humbert wrote:I find it disturbing that a member of this forum can openly, and without hesitation, express wholesale support for Hamas while equivocating on the question of the morality of flying a plane full of civilians into a building full of civilians. And all of it, passes with no comment from the rest of you, bar few exceptions.   After everything, everything that has happened in the last week. From the blatant disregard for human life, to the admission regarding the three teens that Israel is in the wrong, to the ministers calling for mothers to be killed, to the killing of innocent children, and civilians, you are going to sit there, and pretend that Israel is in the right? Playing your oh so subtle anti-semitic card again. Edited by zimbos_05: 27/7/2014 04:30:53 PM
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Zimbos_05 wrote:Playing your oh so subtle anti-semitic card again. But since they suffered at the hands of the Nazis, they should be free to do what they wish you antisemite!
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arent Palestinians also semitic...
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paulbagzFC
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Townsville would still be out of it (Y) NQ4lyphe -PB
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tbitm
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Do you understand the irony of trying to use Australia to prove your point?
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tbitm wrote: Do you understand the irony of trying to use Australia to prove your point? Heh
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zimbos_05
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tbitm wrote: Do you understand the irony of trying to use Australia to prove your point? Im assuming you talking about the white settlers and the aborigines?
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humbert
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Consummate liar. I feel it necessary to ask yet again,
- having read the Hamas charter (I'll grant you that much), do you wish to rethink your support for the Hamas program?
- do you doubt the culpability of Al-Qaeda re. the 9/11 attacks?
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zimbos_05 wrote:Fredsta wrote::lol: Holy Shit It's literally a case of if i dont believe what you guys believe then i am wrong. Yeah...it's not really though.
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zimbos_05
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humbert wrote:Consummate liar. I feel it necessary to ask yet again,
- having read the Hamas charter (I'll grant you that much), do you wish to rethink your support for the Hamas program?
- do you doubt the culpability of Al-Qaeda re. the 9/11 attacks?
In answer to your questions: - Yes but not in intricate details. No i dont wish to rethink my support for them. - Yes i do doubt the culpabilty of Al-Qaeda. I pose three questions, but i think i know the answer to them. 1) Having seen what Israel has done in the recent weeks, and their admission of guilt relating to the killings of innocent boys on the beach, being wrong in blaming Hamas for the kidnapping of the teens, MPs talking of killing mothers and wiping out the kids, can you still justify support for the apartheid regime? 2) Do you have any compassion in you? 3) How long are we going to be subjected to the Nazi card for? Edited by zimbos_05: 27/7/2014 09:18:05 PM
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tbitm wrote:Do you understand the irony of trying to use Australia to prove your point? Yeah... and look how it turned out for the aborignals... Edited by 433: 27/7/2014 09:21:45 PM
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humbert
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zimbos_05 wrote:humbert wrote:Consummate liar. I feel it necessary to ask yet again,
- having read the Hamas charter (I'll grant you that much), do you wish to rethink your support for the Hamas program?
- do you doubt the culpability of Al-Qaeda re. the 9/11 attacks?
In answer to your questions: - Yes but not in intricate details. No i dont wish to rethink my support for them. - Yes i do doubt the culpabilty of Al-Qaeda. I pose three questions, but i think i know the answer to them. 1) Having seen what Israel has done in the recent weeks, and their admission of guilt relating to the killings of innocent boys on the beach, being wrong in blaming Hamas for the kidnapping of the teens, MPs talking of killing mothers and wiping out the kids, can you still justify support for the apartheid regime? 2) Do you have any compassion in you? 3) How long are we going to be subjected to the Nazi card for? Edited by zimbos_05: 27/7/2014 09:18:05 PM I need no instruction in compassion from an Islamist, and fellow traveller of Al-Qaeda. 1 - In point of fact, I am, and have always been a supporter of the Palestinian cause. Please direct me to any posting of mine in which I have expressed support for the killing of civilians, or the occupation. Otherwise, I would rather you desist from your slanderous babble. 2 - Fuck yourself. 3 - As long as you refuse to disassociate yourself from organisations which consciously ape Nazi propaganda, as long as you continue to extol the virtues of Hassan al-Bana - a man who in his lifetime, associated with, and supported actual Nazis and their program. Lest there be any confusion about it, you, and your ilk are my enemy, the enemy of the Palestinian people, and the enemy of civilisation. For as long as you continue to peddle your genocidal delusions, there shall never be peace in Palestine. Edited by humbert: 27/7/2014 09:40:36 PM
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humbert
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Says something about the degradation of modern society that a piece of shit like Zimbos receives support from white, wealthy Westerners.
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I'd like a large popcorn, large coke and throw in a packet of juicy fruits while your at it………
Thanks.
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humbert
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u4486662 wrote:I'd like a large popcorn, large coke and throw in a packet of juicy fruits while your at it………
Thanks. I'm just about done. :lol:
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paulbagzFC
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: -PB
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u4486662 wrote:I'd like a large popcorn, large coke and throw in a packet of juicy fruits while your at it………
Thanks. 
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humbert wrote:
I need no instruction in compassion from an Islamist, and fellow traveller of Al-Qaeda.
Woah, stop calling me Islamist. You use that word as if you know what it means. I've told you before the meaning of Islamist on many occassions and you still insist on calling me that. I am also no traveller or supporter of Al-Qaeda, i just think 9/11 has a bit more to it than meets the eye, but i am not going to shove my views in your face as i know i will be met with the same dissension as when someone mentions WW2
1 - In point of fact, I am, and have always been a supporter of the Palestinian cause. Please direct me to any posting of mine in which I have expressed support for the killing of civilians, or the occupation. Otherwise, I would rather you desist from your slanderous babble.
So if you support the Palestinian cause, why so easy and quick to label Hamas as terrorists, yet not a word against Israel, and the apartheid state it runs?
2 - Fuck yourself.
That is extremely mature of you
3 - As long as you refuse to disassociate yourself from organisations which consciously ape Nazi propaganda, as long as you continue to extol the virtues of Hassan al-Bana - a man who in his lifetime, associated with, and supported actual Nazis and their program.
Views on Al-Bana are divisive. Al-Bana did actually do plenty of good, but propaganda leads one to believe that MB were in fact a terrorist organisation. I wonder if it has anything to do with Morsi wanting to open the borders to Gaza, and instil islamic values in an islamic country? Sisi has done no good for the people of Egypt, yet is applauded by the west. The Nazis on the other hand never did any good for any body but themselves, their is no division in relation to views regarding the Nazis. I hate the Liberal party, but i dont run around with crocodile tears blaming things that happened 50 years ago.
Lest there be any confusion about it, you, and your ilk are my enemy, the enemy of the Palestinian people, and the enemy of civilisation. For as long as you continue to peddle your genocidal delusions, there shall never be peace in Palestine.
Hahahaha, genocidal delusions. Showing support for the elected government of Palestine (who, lets be honest, time and time again it has been proven that they do not use human shields, or hide weapons in areas populated by civilians.
You say so many things that just contradict you. Claiming to be a supporter of Palestine, yet openly against any form of defence Palestine has. Posting videos that claim to show Palestinian children being brainwashed, obviously refusing to acknowledge anything shown from the Palestinian side of the story such as how much worse of apartheid state this is compared to South Africa. Now calling me your enemy when you dont even know me. I am literally one of the most pacifist persons you can find. Constantly arguing against those who yell, "death to jews", "death to israel" because it is never right to wish death to anyone, even your enemy.
Don't call it genocide, call it whatever you will, but I am no Islamist, nor terrorist. I stand for those who stand for freedom. When someones land is being taken away from them and they get treated worse than animals, i will stand for the cause of that person. Hamas may be terrorists to you, i just wonder who think will protect the Palestinians then.
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Humber really went off his rocker :lol: -PB
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tbitm
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 just a response to zim saying they don't use human shields. Even if you argue that it's just so densely populated they they will always fire from spots near civilians, they certainly pick places that will receive the most outrage from the global community. The people in those buildings have also been told by Hamas to not leave when israel tells you to since it helps the Israelis. That's not to say I support Israel's drone campaign, but when I see the civilian casualties numbers I do divide the blame.
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Didn't UN teams twice recently find stockpiles of rockets in schools in Gaza??? While I'm not taking sides in this argument, nor this conflict, that's not exactly the look of a completely innocent party. Last time I checked, rockets weren't exactly seen as educational tools.
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tbitm wrote: just a response to zim saying they don't use human shields. Even if you argue that it's just so densely populated they they will always fire from spots near civilians, they certainly pick places that will receive the most outrage from the global community. The people in those buildings have also been told by Hamas to not leave when israel tells you to since it helps the Israelis.
That's not to say I support Israel's drone campaign, but when I see the civilian casualties numbers I do divide the blame. Once again, propaganda gone right. I have spoken to many people who were in Gaza or are in Gaza who have said that Hamas are not telling people to stay put. They are telling people to stay in areas that would be considered away from Israeli targets. Hamas have nowhere else to go, so it is bound to be near civilian areas. Gaza is closed off from all sides. Israel should be smart enough to realise this. Heineken wrote:Didn't UN teams twice recently find stockpiles of rockets in schools in Gaza??? While I'm not taking sides in this argument, nor this conflict, that's not exactly the look of a completely innocent party. Last time I checked, rockets weren't exactly seen as educational tools. It was abandoned or school no longer in use.
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humbert
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paulbagzFC wrote:Humber really went off his rocker :lol:
-PB Fighting the good fight on a football forum. :lol: Edited by humbert: 28/7/2014 07:22:46 PM
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humbert
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zimbos_05 wrote:humbert wrote:
I need no instruction in compassion from an Islamist, and fellow traveller of Al-Qaeda.
Woah, stop calling me Islamist. You use that word as if you know what it means. I've told you before the meaning of Islamist on many occassions and you still insist on calling me that. I am also no traveller or supporter of Al-Qaeda, i just think 9/11 has a bit more to it than meets the eye, but i am not going to shove my views in your face as i know i will be met with the same dissension as when someone mentions WW2
1 - In point of fact, I am, and have always been a supporter of the Palestinian cause. Please direct me to any posting of mine in which I have expressed support for the killing of civilians, or the occupation. Otherwise, I would rather you desist from your slanderous babble.
So if you support the Palestinian cause, why so easy and quick to label Hamas as terrorists, yet not a word against Israel, and the apartheid state it runs?
2 - Fuck yourself.
That is extremely mature of you
3 - As long as you refuse to disassociate yourself from organisations which consciously ape Nazi propaganda, as long as you continue to extol the virtues of Hassan al-Bana - a man who in his lifetime, associated with, and supported actual Nazis and their program.
Views on Al-Bana are divisive. Al-Bana did actually do plenty of good, but propaganda leads one to believe that MB were in fact a terrorist organisation. I wonder if it has anything to do with Morsi wanting to open the borders to Gaza, and instil islamic values in an islamic country? Sisi has done no good for the people of Egypt, yet is applauded by the west. The Nazis on the other hand never did any good for any body but themselves, their is no division in relation to views regarding the Nazis. I hate the Liberal party, but i dont run around with crocodile tears blaming things that happened 50 years ago.
Lest there be any confusion about it, you, and your ilk are my enemy, the enemy of the Palestinian people, and the enemy of civilisation. For as long as you continue to peddle your genocidal delusions, there shall never be peace in Palestine.
Hahahaha, genocidal delusions. Showing support for the elected government of Palestine (who, lets be honest, time and time again it has been proven that they do not use human shields, or hide weapons in areas populated by civilians.
You say so many things that just contradict you. Claiming to be a supporter of Palestine, yet openly against any form of defence Palestine has. Posting videos that claim to show Palestinian children being brainwashed, obviously refusing to acknowledge anything shown from the Palestinian side of the story such as how much worse of apartheid state this is compared to South Africa. Now calling me your enemy when you dont even know me. I am literally one of the most pacifist persons you can find. Constantly arguing against those who yell, "death to jews", "death to israel" because it is never right to wish death to anyone, even your enemy.
Don't call it genocide, call it whatever you will, but I am no Islamist, nor terrorist. I stand for those who stand for freedom. When someones land is being taken away from them and they get treated worse than animals, i will stand for the cause of that person. Hamas may be terrorists to you, i just wonder who think will protect the Palestinians then.
Nonsense. I wish nothing but the worst for my enemies. Two things; 1 - You're beginning to tire me out. I reiterate; please provide evidence of my support for the killing of civilians. Otherwise, withdraw. As to your point about Hamas having won an election, so what? The NSDAP won 34% of the German federal election at one point; it doesn't make their politics any less abhorrent. At any rate, Hamas won an election in 2006, what has happened in the interim? Where were the Gaza elections in 2009, 2012? 2 - You do appreciate that Hamas isn't the exclusive representative of the Palestinian people? Spare a thought for Palestinian Christians, secularists, and progressive women who despise Hamas as much as the occupation. If you truly wish to support the Palestinian people, don't coddle them. Insist on appropriate behaviour - no unguided missiles fired into Israel, no genocidal antisemitism on television, no corruption, no repression of minorities. http://www.almubadara.org/
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humbert wrote:
Nonsense. I wish nothing but the worst for my enemies.
Thats where you an i differ. I could never wish ill, even on my enemy. Not what my Prophet did, and not what i will do.
Two things;
1 - You're beginning to tire me out. I reiterate; please provide evidence of my support for the killing of civilians. Otherwise, withdraw. As to your point about Hamas having won an election, so what? The NSDAP won 34% of the German federal election at one point; it doesn't make their politics any less abhorrent. At any rate, Hamas won an election in 2006, what has happened in the interim? Where were the Gaza elections in 2009, 2012?
You have never once spoken against Israel. All your qualms seem to be with Hamas. When Hamas won the election, there was no time given for them to even implement a policy. The west closed off to Palestine even more and refused completely to even speak to Hamas. You are right when you say that some parties may win votes, but that does not make them good, we only need to look at One Nation to know for an example, but placing blame solely on Hamas is wrong.
2 - You do appreciate that Hamas isn't the exclusive representative of the Palestinian people? Spare a thought for Palestinian Christians, secularists, and progressive women who despise Hamas as much as the occupation. If you truly wish to support the Palestinian people, don't coddle them. Insist on appropriate behaviour - no unguided missiles fired into Israel, no genocidal antisemitism on television, no corruption, no repression of minorities.
I do spare a thought for the Christians, the jews, and everybody. I am not coddling the people of Palestine. Everything you are saying no to, is exactly what Israel does, only they do it with more vigour, and on a larger scale. Tell Israel to stop with the unguided missiles, the genocidal arab hate, the corruption, the repression of a nation. This whole issue started with the kidnap of the three teens. Proven to no the the doing of Hamas, or any Palestinian. You all talk about Israels right to defend itself, what about the Palestinians. They have no iron dome, or army. They have nothing, and Israel still continues to take more and more away. Israel are doing to Palestine what the Nazis did to the jews. I suppose there just is no gas chambers, but it is no better.
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tbitm
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zimbos_05 wrote:tbitm wrote: just a response to zim saying they don't use human shields. Even if you argue that it's just so densely populated they they will always fire from spots near civilians, they certainly pick places that will receive the most outrage from the global community. The people in those buildings have also been told by Hamas to not leave when israel tells you to since it helps the Israelis.
That's not to say I support Israel's drone campaign, but when I see the civilian casualties numbers I do divide the blame. Once again, propaganda gone right. I have spoken to many people who were in Gaza or are in Gaza who have said that Hamas are not telling people to stay put. They are telling people to stay in areas that would be considered away from Israeli targets. Hamas have nowhere else to go, so it is bound to be near civilian areas. Gaza is closed off from all sides. Israel should be smart enough to realise this. [youtube]eQ6S0-o3uFI[/youtube] I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say this is just one guy and these civilians just thought up the idea on their own(even though the reporter said it's been a strategy in the past). Can you provide actual evidence for your claims and not just what your friends say. I'm not denying it's a densely populated area, but if they wanted to pick a spot nowhere near civilians they definitely could.
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