...and oil

Their own, yes.

it will be soon and not Iraq's
lets not kid ourselves this is all about oil and the US prefer to do business with the Kurds

it will be soon and not Iraq's
lets not kid ourselves this is all about oil and the US prefer to do business with the Kurds

Support the Peshmerga. They fight on behalf of humanity.

Nobody fights on behalf of humanity... Except maybe The Avengers.

Having myself met some of these people, I must say, we have no need for fictional heroes. The Peshmerga suffice.

The Avengers aren't fictional =;

Having myself met some of these people, I must say, we have no need for fictional heroes. The Peshmerga suffice.

Which is precisely why the US has refused the Peshmerga arms until recently, while maintaining an effective embargo on oil exported from the KRG.

Take a breath, and try again.

Not the point I was making.

I'm glad you met some nice people once, but do you really think that The Kurds would be giving a shit about ISIS if they weren't currently under siege and losing ground that they had been quietly taking for themselves while ISIS focused elsewhere?

They don't fight on the behalf of humanity. They fight on behalf of themselves and the creation/preservation of a Kurdish State. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I don't see hyperbolic overreach as a useful communication tool in this instance.

your arrogance on this matter does not endear you

the US are providing air support to the Kurds because they're losing the war they expected them to win against the islamists they initially funded to sow despair and break up Iraq and Syria

the US will buy oil from the Kurds and pipe it into Europe. its been planned well in advance.

meanwhile they want us to be sympathetic to the devil worshippers in the mountains

hilarity ensues

The US funded IS?

Please address the substantive question of why the US has actively refused to provide the KRG with weapons or facilitate oil sales from the KRG.

Devil worshippers? I feared, and expected this from you. Parroting the jihadist line.

Death to the IS. Death to Hamas. Death to Hezbollah.

Having myself met some of these people, I must say, we have no need for fictional heroes. The Peshmerga suffice.

I don't understand how people in Iraq etc who don't like ISIS haven't fought back in some regard?

your arrogance on this matter does not endear you

the US are providing air support to the Kurds because they're losing the war they expected them to win against the islamists they initially funded to sow despair and break up Iraq and Syria

the US will buy oil from the Kurds and pipe it into Europe. its been planned well in advance.

meanwhile they want us to be sympathetic to the devil worshippers in the mountains

hilarity ensues

ISIS are to jihadists what Uruk-hai are to Orcs.

-PB

Where are they going to pipe that oil to Europe through?
Russia? Russia won't have a bar of them and have just banned all american made products.
Islamic states? The same ones they just snubbed in preference to the Kurds? Sure.

Think before you post.

BLOWBACK! U.S. TRAINED ISLAMISTS WHO JOINED ISIS
Secret Jordan base was site of covert aid to insurgents targeting Assad
Published: 06/17/2014 at 10:16 AM

JERUSALEM – [size=6]Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.[/size]

[size=6]The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. [/size]The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

In February 2012, WND was first to report the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region.

That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.

Last March, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Americans were training Syrian rebels in Jordan.

Quoting what it said were training participants and organizers, Der Spiegel reported it was not clear whether the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army, but the magazine said some organizers wore uniforms. The training in Jordan reportedly focused on use of anti-tank weaponry.

The German magazine reported some 200 men received the training over the previous three months amid U.S. plans to train a total of 1,200 members of the Free Syrian Army in two camps in the south and the east of Jordan.

Britain’s Guardian newspaper also reported last March that U.S. trainers were aiding Syrian rebels in Jordan along with British and French instructors.

Reuters reported a spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department declined immediate comment on the German magazine’s report. The French foreign ministry and Britain’s foreign and defense ministries also would not comment to Reuters.

The Jordanian officials spoke to WND amid concern the sectarian violence in Iraq will spill over into their own country as well as into Syria.

ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of Islam.

WND reported last week that, according to Jordanian and Syrian regime sources, Saudi Arabia has been arming the ISIS and that the Saudis are a driving force in supporting the al-Qaida-linked group.

WND further reported that, according to a Shiite source in contact with a high official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the Obama administration has been aware for two months that the al-Qaida-inspired group that has taken over two Iraqi cities and now is threatening Baghdad also was training fighters in Turkey.

The source told WND that at least one of the training camps of the group Iraq of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria, the ISIS, is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where American personnel and equipment are located.

He called Obama “an accomplice” in the attacks that are threatening the Maliki government the U.S. helped establish through the Iraq war.

The source said that after training in Turkey, thousands of ISIS fighters went to Iraq by way of Syria to join the effort to establish an Islamic caliphate subject to strict Islamic law, or Shariah.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/#sd3pX2x1WlSV40hv.99

through Turkey

Think before you post

unlike you, i'm not speculating here

Israel will get a piece of this too

Edited by ricecrackers: 9/8/2014 03:34:52 AM

Sauce?

It was actually the assertion that everyone in ISIS and associates be tortured and killed that I drew my understanding of your position from. It was a bit more than 2 words. Your assertion that they are killing "their own people" was just the cherry on the ignorance cake.

Like I said, when you say something that demonstrably silly and are called out on it it's not being snarky or some kind of superiority complex (I note you put a few more words in my mouth here regarding this, and then ran off to the old "Oh, I'm too busy to do any research" trope as well).

If there are any other fallacies that you would like to hit while you're here and presumably letting your work commitments lapse, I'm all ears.

And you're still wrong.

I fully respect your right to be wrong, though.