No no no that can't be right because according to notor and Ozzie only catholics can be pedo's

Imams in 500 mosques to denounce grooming and abuse of children

Co-ordinated effort to deliver same sermon across the country follows convictions of Muslim men for series of horrific cases

The Guardian, Friday 28 June 2013

Imams in 500 mosques across Britain will on Friday give the same sermon denouncing the grooming and sexual abuse of children.

The co-ordinated effort follows the convictions of Muslim men in British courts for a series of horrific cases. Organisers say it is the first time that so many imams will deliver the same sermon before hundreds of congregations.

The sermons will urge people to report those suspected of involvement in sexual abuse offences, and opens with a quotation from the Qur'an which forbids Muslims from "sexual indecency, wickedness and oppression of others".

The courts have dealt with a cluster of horrific cases including those in Rochdale, Derby and Oxford, where on Thursday five men were sentenced to life imprisonment and two others to long sentences for the abuse of girls.

It is organised by a group called Together Against Grooming, and backed by bodies including the Muslim Council of Britain, the Mosques and Imams National Advisory Board, and the Islamic Society of Britain.

One of the organisers is Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, who serves as an imam and scholar, and who will deliver the sermon in a Leicester mosque.

Some have claimed the gang grooming on streets and abuse of girls is disproportionately linked to Asian Muslim men.

Mogra said: "This is an abhorrent issue … that spares no race, religion, as perpetrators or victims. We are not required to do this, it is our religious and civic duty. The Qur'an calls on us to speak out against injustice."

Lunchtime prayers on a Friday are the most important of the week for Muslims, the equivalent of the Sunday morning service for Christians.

Mogra said: "It is important to do it this way to have a national impact throughout many congregations. We hope to create a debate."

Ansar Ali, spokesperson for Together Against Grooming, said: "We have been horrified by the details that have emerged from recent court cases and, as Muslims, we feel a natural responsibility to condemn and tackle this crime.

"This is the start of what will be a nationwide project in which we seek to work with others to eradicate this practice."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/28/imamas-500-mosques-denounce-grooming?

Windhoek — According to statistics, 120 schoolgirls fell pregnant in the Opuwo and Epupa education circuits in the Kunene Region out of a total of 6 057 learners.

A social worker in the Ministry of Gender Equality and Child Welfare Dephney Dunga said teenage pregnancy in the region has reached critical proportions. She reported that teenagers as young as 13 are falling pregnant and many see no problem with it as they feel they have nothing to lose. She attributed teenage pregnancies to poverty, saying young girls date older men to get support in the form of money or food, which they can take home. The social worker further explained that many statutory rape cases are not reported since perpetrators offer families money to keep them from reporting cases to the police.

At the Welwitschia Junior Secondary School at Khorixas alone, 16 girls became pregnant last year. One of the Welwitschia girls allegedly experienced a miscarriage at the hostel in October 2012 and was rushed to the Khorixas State Hospital. It was also reported on Tuesday that male and female learners at the Okaoko-Otavi Combined School near Opuwo are forced to share accommodation due to a lack of hostel facilities. The school has 326 learners, of whom only 64 are accommodated in the hostel. The rest stay with relatives or are accommodated by villagers, where they are compelled to share accommodation.

Okaoko-Otavi Combined School Principal, Paulus Karutjaiva, confirmed that five girls from his school fell pregnant last year as a result of sharing of rooms.

New Era contacted the Kunene regional education deputy director, Bernadette Jagger, on the situation at the school. She said the lack of hostel accommodation is a countrywide problem and not only confined to the Kunene Region. She explained that Okaoko-Otavi only has one subsidised government hostel, which cannot accommodate all learners.

"Hostel accommodation is not enough due to the high influx of learners. When learners come, we cannot turn them away. Their parents are deep in the bush far from schools. However, the principal alerted the parents on the shortage of accommodation and asked them to look for places for their children to live in the village. The parents found accommodation for their kids. Since it is outside accommodation, the situation of sharing and girls falling pregnant is out of our hands," she maintained.

She was however quick to point out that they cannot turn a blind eye to the situation. "We will call the kids' biological parents and tell them that the accommodation they found for their children is not safe since boys and girls are sharing resulting in pregnancies. You also find that those girls in the hostel are not the ones falling pregnant. Instead it is those kids who live under the noise of their relatives and parents. It is shocking. It is young girls whose bodies are not ready for such activities," Jagger said.

The Namibia National Students Organisation (Nanso) says it is disturbed by the conditions in which the learners, both boys and girls at the Okaoko-Otavi Combined School find themselves in, such as the sharing of hostel beds due to the lack of accommodation facilities. The Okaoko-Otavi Combined School is situated some 40 kilometres southwest of Opuwo in the Kunene Region.

"The need for accommodation at schools in Kunene has reached critical proportions. It is no secret in Namibia that the bulk of the budget is allocated to the Ministry of Education but it is spent on administration rather than uplifting and infrastructure. The ministry of education should take serious consideration of accommodation in Kunene, while the learners have shown willpower to learn in the poverty driven and most undeveloped region in the country. A conducive learning environment is not created and this leads to a high dropout rate as parents don't see school as a safe place for their children," said Nanso's Deputy Secretary General Kavetu Kavetu.

The organisation has been busy organising a regional conference on education that was slated to take place on May 30, but was postponed due to a lack of funding.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201306171195.html?aa_source=acrdn-f0

Awwwww shit.....

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You needed to pick up on the sarcasm with the 'Fred Nile Institute'....

In relation to child abuse specifically, or general religious privilege?

Point taken... Do what's the discussion? What would you have the Australian govt do about it in a Notor run world?

The Catholic Church regularly flouts its moral superiority, despite the fact that a large number of its priests have been fucking kids for a very long time (and were actively being protected by the church itself). It's a worthy discussion point.

No-one is doing that. Everyone would be acknowledging that "Hitler killed 6 million Jews and that he was up there with the worst, but that doesn't mean we should make him the only name synonymous with genocide."

That is the major accusation of you here if I'm not mistaken.

Dawkins is a clever man, and a bigot. If people want to seek out theological criticism I say go for it, but don't shove it down my throat and don't shove it down anyone else's either. When you talk about tolerance you're always going to get caught up in a paradox: a tolerant society would be tolerant of intolerance. Nevertheless, it's the arrogance of it all that gets up me.

"How is it bigotry to discuss the fact that any benelovent/loving god would never let one (let alone hundreds) of its charges rape a kid? It's not bigotry, it's simply dissenting to the status quo."
Who cares? We're talking about the sexual abuse of children and you're talking about some philosophical question.

As someone who studies religion, and doesn't tolerate an absence of reason, where do you stand from a religious point of view?

How is it bigotry to discuss the fact that any benelovent/loving god would never let one (let alone hundreds) of its charges rape a kid? It's not bigotry, it's simply dissenting to the status quo.

Interesting. Professor Richard Dawkins made the comment in a TED speech that the reason for 9/11 was tolerance and that we should become more intolerant.
I personally don't tolerate an absence of reason.

Nobody is doing that, nobody is excusing anything or diminishing the responsibility of the Catholic Church: that's the bloody point! I've put the point forward that by seeking to investigate other youth organisations and tackling a societal problem, you are not diminishing the responsibility of the first offender nor are you defending or excusing it. To assume as such is wrong, and against the basic principles of logic.

People are criticising you because of your clear agenda on anything religion - look at your last comment, "God" as a problem of evil? That is bigotry, and you are a bigot. It works both ways. That might be ad hominen, and it's not related to my actual argument: that a second allegation does not create an excuse. However, many believe, including myself, that your agenda against religion is clouding your judgement.

A few weeks ago you posted a thread with a picture about how big the universe was and then you've got Jesus telling you not to wank. Sure, that was a laugh, but it was still nothing short of an exercise in ego-stroking and of mockery of anyone with a religious belief. I'm not a religious man, but it bloody well irritates me when people know what's good for you. Come on mate, you're a smart enough bloke and I agree with you on a lot, but you're better than that, you're better than intolerance.

Like I said, that was a dissemination of your motive - which I think is the real underlying question here that nobody particularly fancies bringing up (probably for good reason).

People have been defending the Catholic Church for decades as these allegations arose, now the allegations have largely been proven true, on a shale far larger than what anyone originally anticipated, why do you still think that people are defending the church and if not excuse; minimise the responsibility of the church.

Assuming that you disagree with the premise I'm placing here, why do you think the initial reaction to any criticism of the church is to defend and accuse the critic of "hatred" and bigotry - even when that criticism proves valid?

As for "god" on a broader theological criticism, this is an excellent example of the Problem of Evil.

Since I obviously need to reiterate this for notorganic's puerile mind:

All of these child molestation accusations are equally abhorrent aberrations should be uniformly investigated. They are as heinous as each other and should be equally attended to by the powers that be, regardless of the organisation accused of perpetrating them.

That's right: nobody is excusing anything. Frankly anything after that is conjecture if the catholic church's responsibility isn't being diminished by the possibility of a second crime by a second organisation.

All talking about Syria does is draw a curtain over the lunacy that is the amount of jaywalking in our towns and cities. :x

No, they don't... And incessant mention of tax fraud when the far bigger issue that needs immediate attention and resources is Syrian war crimes is a huge disservice to the people of Syria.

No, but Syrian war crimes don't excuse tax fraud either.

So you admit to cheating on your tax return!

Nice edit.

Edited by Notorganic: 11/6/2013 08:46:34 PM

That's not what I meant and you know it you twat.

And what the hell is with you accusing me of committing crimes with absolutely no evidence?

Edited by afromanGT: 11/6/2013 08:45:53 PM

:lol:

Now THAT'S hilarious.

Looking forward to seeing your last bout of tax return fraud appearing on the nightly news alongside Syria's use of chemical weapons on its own people.

All crimes should be considered equally heinous and given equal air time.

I wasn't inferring or correlating anything, simply responding to the deflection about other groups (ie the Scouts) covering up things as well.

Note: Another group covering up sex abuse doesn't make the paedophile priests cover ups any less disgraceful.

Let notorganic continue his illogical tirade of hate against the church. It's hilarious.

Have to stick up for Joffa on this one. Not to sound like a goody two-shoes, but why can't you guys just take each others' word when it comes to your motives? If someone says they aren't making excuses and think what the Roman Catholic Church did was wrong but want to talk about the wider social problem, why do you have to assign motives that say otherwise? Your concern is right, we don't want to somehow whitewash the RCC problem away and there may be an unintentional deflecting of guilt if we talk about all the instances of abuse, but Joffa and others have said several times that their intent is not to excuse the RCC so why assume otherwise?

The question then becomes which is more important? Examining wider sex abuse in all society with the potential unintended consequence that the RCC example doesn't seem so bad OR just exploring the RCC case so that they are appropriately punished whilst letting the countless other examples and societal problems go unchecked?

You are saying that accusing the Turks of a genocide excuses Hitler's genocide.

An excuse abrogates responsibility. It's not happening.

I think you're either misunderstanding, or characterising what I am saying.

It's a bit like saying "Yeah, Hitler is bad... but he's not the only one that has committed Genocide. Hitler might have killed 6 million Jews, but look at the Turks - they killed at least 600,000 Armenians!"