And where are MVFCArsenal and Zimbos when things like this happen..? :roll: :roll:

Can't defend the indefensible. Intolerant, violent religion that makes the world a worse place.

Because women the same rights as males in these countrys ](*,)

While I agree that this event is absolutely deplorable (and that's putting it lightly), if we expect them to respect our laws and standards of decency, you've got to return them the same courtesy. I feel deeply sorry for the poor woman but as disgusting as it is there's nothing that can be said or done to help her.

I agree with Blakroz, best thing to do is leave their backwards society to its own devices. They don't care about what we have to say on the matter and nothing is ever going to change. Let them wallow in their own barbaric sense of morality.

I'm a hundred percent with you here. I refuse to go via any of these countries and won't give them a cent if my money. That's the extent of the contribution that I can make so that's what I do.

Every time a person flies a Arab airline or visits one of those places they are tacitly approving the Islamist regime.

Edited by thupercoach: 21/7/2013 07:31:28 AM

I think that's taking what I said a bit far. When I fly home to NZ I usually fly with Emirates because they're comfortable, give great service and I can drink alcohol on the flight.

If they're over here observing our customs and letting me do what I see fit then sure, why the fuck not? But don't expect me to go over there any time soon and jeopardise my anglo-saxon ass observing their petty customs.

I'm not going to defend this. But 433 you have no idea about me or my religious views . Im over the religious bashing you and your ilk always do . Like I said my wife and her family are muslims , it doesn't make them monsters or idiots . Research religion for yourself before spewing propaganda .

Agree to disagree on that one. Taking it a step further - is their investment in business relationship with the west via airlines, hotels, purchase of football clubs with oil money, etc likely to have a civilising effect on that culture in the next few decades? Could their interaction with the west bring about their greater tolerance of human rights and the pluralism of views?

Taking an even wider view, could this interaction help speed up the coming of their version of the Enlightenment that western Christianity had a couple of centuries ago?

I'd like to think that it isn't possible to continue oppressing people whilst simultaneously opening yourself up for business but the modern China model proves otherwise. But I can only hope that the Muslim people in those countries begin rising up against religious oppression. It has to start from the women, I'm convinced of that.

But gee it's going to be a tough road.

Humor me then

So the answer's 'no' then.
Islam's core beliefs/practices are shittier than Christianity and the actions of Islamic nations are proof positive of it.
Ok apologists, go ahead and spin!

I don't get the hype with this place.

Me and my fiance went to Europe in December. Everyone urged us to spend a couple of nights in Dubai. Glad we didn't!

OMFG IT'S ONLY A MINORITY YOU RACIST BIGOT HUR DUR NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE THIS DUR HUR



Edited by 433: 22/7/2013 04:41:00 PM

The Vatican?

Christian doctrine is just as bad, the difference is that the West has largely moved on from that.

Imagine if we based our actual laws on:


Just because they have skyscrapers and Lamborghinis doesn't mean they're civilised.

The death penalty for homosexuality in Uganda?

Not quite, pope frank just made it a crime to molest children on Vatican grounds. Don't know why it wasn't a law before but hey, better late than never

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/11/world/europe/vatican-child-abuse/index.html

Why do people want to make these ridiculous comparisons? Yeah there are some archaic texts in the bible but Christian countries moved on from all that centuries ago. Not counting Africa and other underdeveloped nations, it's only in Muslim countries that women get stoned for adultery, hands are cut off thieves, rape victims are jailed, lashed or stoned and women have no rights. There's no separation of religion and state.

To even begin to make comparisons like that with the western world or Latin America is idiotic.

Edited by thupercoach: 23/7/2013 07:49:12 AM

Zionist Israel taking back land by force because God promised it to them.

One could argue that undeveloped africa literally quoting the bible is the same as undeveloped middle eastern nations literal interpretations of texts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This video is rife with inaccuracies. I will hopefully be able to address the issues raised in it.

1)Firstly, the quaran was not written by one man, but was revealed to one man over a period of 23 years. It was fully revealed in its entirety in the month of ramadan after that period as, the finished product if you will. Violent verses. Sure they exist, they were revealed at a time when the muslim were at war with the non believers. They were meant for the time. They not relevant anymore. The talk about later verses taking precedent over earlier verses, well it depends on how you understand that. If you think the first line in the quran is the verse to be revealed, then you wrong. The first line to be revealed is actually in the very last chapter of the quran. So the quran is not written, if you will, in the order in which it was revealed.

There are four schools of thought in Islam. Hanafi, Shafi, Hambali and Maliki. These four imams were prominent scholars who studied hadith and quran for decades. Muslims are either one of these four school. Neither school is wrong. The point im making here, is these men studied the quran and hadiths for decades in order to give us a better understanding. No average person can read the quran at face value and take it for what it is without understanding the commentary and meaning behind the verses. It requires constant and indepth study and understanding. There are people who do that nowdays, but as far as interpreting it to advocate and justificate a reason for actions, it cant be done. The four imams have set it out in stone as to how to practice and follow your religion. Once you start making your own rulings and assumptions, you fall under other schools of thought that are Salafi, Qaadiyani, Ahmadiya etc, which are not Islamic schools of thought and, as manys scholars claim, are no longer Islam but a new religion.

2) Shariah law. Ah yes, the age old issue. I like how everyone forgets that Shariah law states, and im paraphrasing here because im no scholar on Shariah law, Follow the laws and the rules of the land in which you preside. Straight away this negates any reason for Shariah Law to be brought in to non muslim countries. If you live in Australia and want to followe Shariah Law, then that means you follow Australian law. The issues that can cause problem are things like divorce. Im not sure the law on divorce, so correct me if im wrong, but its just done in a court witha judge and each side pleading their case?

In Islam, only a man can issue a divorce. This must be done three times. Im giving the very basic run down here. So if you issue one divorce, its not a divorce. If you issue a second, its not a divorce. If you issue a third, its then divorce. You can issue all three at one time too. The reason for the three issue rule is because some people can issue a divorce through anger or rage or other times when they dont actually mean it. Ive heard my dad say it to my mum, "maybe we should call it quits" but he never meant it. It was after his bypass and was under all sorts of medication and saying all kinds of things. Now he is fine. The reason for the divorce courts is in the instance where a wife would like to get the divorce and if the husband is refusing, then they can take it scholars on islamic law and deal with it in an Islamic manner. You get married under Islamic law and the law of your country, divorce should be the same.

3) Taqqiya. The new miscontrued word for those who hate Islam. Taqqiya is the denouncing of your religion when your life is at risk. If you are being threatened with your life unless you give up your religion, you can invoke Taqqiya until a time when you are safe to continue practicing your religion. So contrary to belief, taqqiya does not mean you hide and pretend not to practice your religion or you practie it peacefully until a time when you can strike or attack. That is not Taqqiya.

If people are going to make videos about Islam and encourage people to do their research, i suggest they do the same.



Hello. I am Zimbos. How can i help you?

I dont defend the acts of Dubai and that state. I dont agree with most of the actions and laws of the Arab Peninsula. if anything they are the worst example of Islam and Shariah Law countries. Turkey and Malaysia were slowly getting back on track and becoming good examples for Islamic countries, so dont throw all Muslim lands in one category.

I dont defend the actions, but if you plan on visiting the country, wherever you go, you need to respect the laws. I know its hard in cases of rape, but we know of issues already like this in which nothing has happened. I dont expect much to happen as i dont hold high hopes for the Arab Gulf at all. In fact, they sadden me everytime i think that they are supposed to be beacons for Islamic nations.

Choosing not to fly with Etihad and Emirates is your own choice, but you all know that Dubai and Abu Dhabi are the two central ports for which the majority of airlines fly through if you flying to or from Australia.

Interesting.
How recently was this law implemented for an actual case?
Are you able to point out in the New Testament where homosexuality is advocated to be punished by death?

Edited by ozboy: 23/7/2013 11:48:53 AM

How do you know what Islams core beliefs and practices are?

Hey look, that country has a death penalty if you gay, but we wont bother about that. That Islamic country on the other hand has the same law, death to all muslims and lets do away with the religion.

Are you able to point out in the Koran where rape victims should be punished by being jailed?

I know Islam is based on the Old Testament/Mosaic Law which has some pretty hard line stances on homosexuality.
Does the Quran have no position on homosexuality?

One could. Or that they're acting the same way as a result of not changing their culture for thousands of years.

Except Christianity in Africa is courtesy of the missionaries and only an advent of the last few centuries.

Hang on, what? Based on the old testatement? Where you getting this from?

Im no scholar on the quran so cant quote texts for you on homosexuality. It is my understanding that it does make reference to homosexuality.

Judaism, Islam and Christianity - the Abrahamic religions are all based around the same texts.

Yes, except many of those practices predate the missionaries by thousands of years and arent Christian at all.

They similar and yes, Islam recognises the older books, but the religion is not based on them.



Keep trying, eventually the shoe will fit.

Edited by zimbos_05: 23/7/2013 03:39:11 PM

I'm sure superstitions mentioned in African countrys were common practice long before Christianity...