Have you read the terms of the FFV proposal?

This thing will certainly bring unity to the clubs who work together..it is quite a good move actually as it will lead to strengthening the bond between the clubs.

Assuming you're right Benjamin, why would the FFV prefer to move to a zonal system? And why would they rather get rid of existing teams? Also do you believe the FFA aren't complicit in the actions of the FFV...in which case why are they taking steps outside he NPL guidelines?

N.B from a player performance/development point of view are there benefits in the model the FFV are proposing?

You anticipated it alright.

That's why you tried so desperately to buy into the Heart, like someone else said in another post.

That someone else, if my memory serves me correctly, also mentioned that you'd be playing 3rd or 4th tier football before long with no chance to ever participate in the FFA Cup and your mate Benjamin replied that South was the first to put in an application for the NPL, so South was sitting pretty.

What application? You don't even have an expression of interest in anymore and you are still mouthing off?

I reckon I can get used to this, lol. You're right.

Like I said in another post TOB - "we protect our species" and we will see this through until the bitter end

Fact is once bitten - twice shy - we knew this was coming and the difference with today compared to 10 years ago????

This time we are ready

nothing has happened that we were not expecting

even if Victoria is an isolated model in its NPL_V execution - we are ahead of the game

We will protect our species regardless of origin and gender and all the clubs are alligned

we are ahead of the game - nothing has happened that we have not anticipated

Football in the future will consist of a combination of Modeled and organic clubs

Get used to it



Edited by chris: 2/8/2013 04:00:51 PM

FFSA seem to be run by geniuses in comparison to FFV, I feel so sorry for you poor bastards.

The FFV want to get rid of the clubs and replace them with their own zonal teams? Really? No one had suspected this, at all. I'm glad you were able to come up with the correct answer at the first attempt.

How interesting it will be to see where the FFA stands on this, and what the courts decide WHEN (rather than IF) the matter goes before them.

The fact that the FFV's position is so far removed from the FFA's blueprint, and that they have been so unwilling to work with the applicants, will hurt them badly when the matter is held up for close scrutiny.

Not at all surprised that you would share the FFV's thought process though.

In its last SMFC media release, the 3 key issues of concern as far as the proposed FFV model were:

•Its failure to achieve the critical aim of the NCR to rebrand the premier league in each State under the single banner (NPL).
•Its failure to improve the financial and commercial position of State leagues and clubs or intended by the NCR and instead, proposing a model which will critically damage the financial and commercial position of our State league and the clubs, including our Club, rendering the FFV model financially unviable.
•Its failure to achieve the critical NCR aim of consistency across all States with the proposed Victorian model critically weakening many clubs, including ours.

Obviously viability seems to be a very important one.

If the Federation is placing the viability of its clubs at grave risk with this new model, to the neutral observer (the vast majority of us in other words) that sounds like the Federation is trying to get rid of its own clubs by bankrupting them.

No Federation would want to see its clubs go bankrupt and disappear. Why would it? What Federation would want to do that?

Unless.

Unless the Federation had other, longer term plans that didn't include those clubs.

And if that's the case, these clubs then play right into the Federations' hands and decide not to apply for the NPL as some sort of a "scare tactic" or "punishment"?

You see how it's your argument that suffers, not mine?

If the FFV wants to get rid of you and your clubs, you don't withdraw your EOIs under any circumstances because you won't have a leg to stand on later on when you complain for the next 10 years that the FFV showed "bias" for not including you in the NPL when in fact you never applied for it.

Blind Freddy can see similarities between what happened 10 years ago when the NSL collapsed and the A-League was created and what's happening now.

Let's hope that's indeed the case, because the outcome of that similar process 10 years ago was very positive for Australian football.

Edited by ton.of.bricks: 2/8/2013 01:32:19 PM

Without going to the FFV and seeing how they spend their money and what everyone actually does, I wouldn't like to say... But it does seem bizarre that for the last 4-5 years the FFV appears to have been working against, rather than with, the football community.

I spoke to the new FFV CEO at a South Melbourne game a few weeks ago. He seemed like a reasonable bloke, but perhaps not the most knowledgeable about football. I feel sorry for him - trying to do his job in a straight-jacket with the straps being tightened by his employers.

If every other state was running the same NPL system, and the Victorian clubs were making a fuss, you might have a point... However, as all these Victorian clubs are simply asking for the same system as is being used in New South Wales, your argument suffers.

The question is why do the FFV feel the need to place more restrictions on Victorian clubs than the guys in NSW are placing on their clubs?

My god, what a fuckwit [-o<

I here what you're saying TOB but the difference is this;

FFA Chairman Frank Lowy versus FFV Chairman Nick Monteleone
FFA CEO Martin O'Neill versus FFA CEO some ex journalist called Murphy
Your analogy is all wrong we are still waiting for our Frank Lowy to come, hopefully Kimon can fill that role, he has repeatedly been mentioned as the only director prepared to get out on the ground and find common purpose and solutions

As well as all the baggage the FFV organisation is no FFA nor does it have the moral authority that the FFA brought with it in 2004. No one likes the FFV from the little club with the SSF kids to the big clubs paying big bucks in the VPL.

PS

Just to add TOB a concern I have that the NPLV is taking is FFV"S insistance on clubs being Incorporated Associations.
My preference for the second tier would have been private shareholding companies, this brings better and stronger corporate governance and I believe more "investment" into the game. True professionalism at this level. If these Clubs where PTY LTD Com-panys I would also call for the League itself to privatised and run by a board appointed by the clubs and FFV (would expect them to invest too).


Edited by Arthur: 2/8/2013 01:20:07 PM

One thing you need to remember before you choke on your wow's, there was no national league for a year when the A-League was formed and most clubs were brand new entities that were built from scratch.

Now I know, your guardian will come up with the usual line "where are all the new clubs going to come from, where is the money, where is the interest?" blah fucking blah, but 10 years ago you people were pushing the same arguments, that without you the A-League would never get off the ground or it wouldn't last a season, remember?

I don't know if it's going to go the same way now, or if you have completely and utterly pushed the self-destruct button for one final time, but if you think the FFA is scared of injuctions from a state league club or body of clubs, you or your club have no idea how fortified legally the FFA is in the constitution it operates under since 2004, and you should go and ask Clive Palmer for advice on that.

Do you really believe that anyone would seriously miss the VPL for a season if the FFV and the FFA needed that much time to put a new competition with new clubs together?

My advice: Pull your heads in and learn to do as you're told for the benefit of the game as a whole, or your time's up (if it's not already up).

All this has got most of us thinking. What do u think Benjamin?

In essence the State Federation is a centralised Service Provider for clubs and their leagues.

We pay their salaries and in effect outsource to them to manage and provide for the clubs' behalf :

1.Fixturing
2.Basic Admin... like transfers, insurance, regos, referees, tribunals, coach training etc
3.A web portal for the state/clubs/leagues
4.Marketing of the clubs/leagues and hopefully some sponsorship for our code
5.Broadcasting services

Instead they have grown the organisation off our taxes (registrations) to 70-80 people that now have their own 'Corporate strategy' !!
own Board !!
compete with clubs, NTC etc
contribute to private football franchises !
and have way to many levels of management

Concept for discussion

Should we
-scale back the size of the FFV and cut costs
-Get them to focus on CORE service delivery only (as above)
-Demand quarterly reports on activity
-Manage them with Service Level Agreements

That's it

I'm confident the fees that clubs pay would be greatly reduced, which would have a positive flow on effect for all.

They have failed us in providing core basic services
and they Do not listen to their stakeholders... who pay their salaries

I've talked to a few guys at other VPL clubs who use slightly stronger terms than that Troy

Some advice


Someone please pass onto Montoleone that the best outcome for the FFV is for him to resign graciously,

That way, the repairing and trust process can begin to be rebuilt with Victorian football and its 'Outsourced Service Provider' (the FFV)

If he remains there, the clubs will continue to escalate and football in Vic will suffer. His stubbornness will be construed as typical behaviour of a misguided and egocentric individual that does not care about the damage his reluctance to leave will create for the working relationship between the clubs and their Outsourced Service Provider (FFV)

He needs to put his ego to the side
He needs to admit publically that his and the Boards strategy was a mistake and he will gracious admit....like all people....he is not perfect and was wrong in his and their approach

In a nut shell
People will have far more respect for him if he resigns... for the healing process to begin.

Wow - just wow
The most significant outcome is that the clubs have achieved what the ffv have miserably failed to implement and that is true unity amongst the football community

gender and race included

message to the ffv

we protect our species and we will be on this until the bitter end

All the women's teams that applied for the EOI have now pulled out

your attempt to divide and conquer has strengthened or cause

looking forward to your next move

unless you drop off by early next week - we will come over the top as 1

Unless you drop your version of the NPL by Wed 7th August then smfc will have a court injunction freeze you silly model



Edited by chris: 1/8/2013 10:37:05 PM

http://ffvmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/ClubsReleaseFFVMedia010813s.pdf

http://ffvmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/CoSignatoryClubs010813.pdf

Edited by troy5: 1/8/2013 06:31:24 PM