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WaMackie wrote:This sounds like 1977 again for all you self absorbed Vic clubs? Remember then, when little Moroolbark stole the thunder and joined the NSL when South and Fitzroy Alexander were fighting?
Ian Brusasco and a few other boys up here had to help you fools out. Little Moroolbark fucked all the big Vic clubs up back then....LOL, bring back Moroolbark again!
Dumb Victorians. Little Mooroolbark jumped in without considering the bigger picture - and the result was that Little Mooroolbark were unable to afford a second season, almost destroyed their own club... And just look at where Little Mooroolbark are now. Possibly worth noting at this point that I'm currently sitting in little Mooroolbark, walking distance from Esther Park.
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Joffa wrote:Benjamin wrote:You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate. I'm not sitting on the fence, I thought my views on a second tier were well known. Personally, I would have left the State Leagues as they were, although I do see the pros and cons to a zonal state system, and asked for clubs/consortia to tender for a national 'B' League comp. I've never been aware of any views you had on the second tier - but I'm glad you would have left the state leagues with minimal disruption. Agree on the need for a national comp - which I've been discussing here for several years.As for the rebel 59 clubs or however many there are, I think you are sadly misguided and whilst you may get some concessions, ultimately all you are doing is reinforcing why change needs to be made...and even if the FFV board loses, they'll still win in the long term. I'm not sure how the FFV wins in the long term if they lose now. I would argue the opposite - that even if the FFV wins, they will lose in the long term because their model will not work. As for misguided - every new development appears to prove that the clubs know what they are doing. My other thought is that if you and your ilk are serious about your club/s and the issues at hand then you would do whatever it takes to shut up the dickhead brigade with their innane commentary, mutual bouts of pleasuring themselves with plain untruth's, misrepresentative headlines and dullard trolling. There's a little thing called free speech. I don't agree with a lot of what some of my 'ilk' says, but (a) I don't have the power to shut them up, and (b) I don't have the desire to stop people expressing their opinions.You want to hear my thoughts, well there is but some......oh wait JoFFA he he he Not much point using the JoFFA tag - that's not one I use myself. End of the day - I struggle to see how the FFV can continue to run football here when we have 14 out of 14 zone reps voting for the process to stop, 11 of the 14 of them voting for the board to step down, 59 clubs standing together against the governing body, the head of the board releasing statements without the approval of the board, and various councils and parks/recreation dept complaining about a lack of consultation. The handling of the entire process has been a farce. I don't see how anyone can think the the clubs are in the wrong, or that the FFV is fit to run the game.
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Benjamin wrote:You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate. I'm not sitting on the fence, I thought my views on a second tier were well known. Personally, I would have left the State Leagues as they were, although I do see the pros and cons to a zonal state system, and asked for clubs/consortia to tender for a national 'B' League comp. As for the rebel 59 clubs or however many there are, I think you are sadly misguided and whilst you may get some concessions, ultimately all you are doing is reinforcing why change needs to be made...and even if the FFV board loses, they'll still win in the long term. My other thought is that if you and your ilk are serious about your club/s and the issues at hand then you would do whatever it takes to shut up the dickhead brigade with their innane commentary, mutual bouts of pleasuring themselves with plain untruth's, misrepresentative headlines and dullard trolling. You want to hear my thoughts, well there is but some......oh wait JoFFA he he he Edited by Joffa: 27/9/2013 07:39:15 PM
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This sounds like 1977 again for all you self absorbed Vic clubs? Remember then, when little Moroolbark stole the thunder and joined the NSL when South and Fitzroy Alexander were fighting?
Ian Brusasco and a few other boys up here had to help you fools out. Little Moroolbark fucked all the big Vic clubs up back then....LOL, bring back Moroolbark again!
Dumb Victorians.
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Big Wally wrote:Benjamin wrote:You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate. I guess it's knd of the same as Richmond coming out and issuing a statement that they'd been misrepresented. You're drawing a very long bow with a claim of corruption. A very long bow. Should the headline accompanying Richmond have been... "Richmond FC uncover corruption among SMFC led rebels"??? For the record, I'm not claiming corruption - personally I would have claimed incompetence and/or misrepresentation. And on reflection - the title and original post is not suggesting corruption of the organisation or of an individual - but of the process. Statements issued on behalf of the FFV without the approval of the FFV - that is, by definition, a corrupted process. As for the Richmond statement... They came out one day saying that the rebel-clubs statement that they were pulling out of the NPL was inaccurate, then came out within a week to confirm that they were, shock horror, pulling out of the NPL. Addendum - 30 September - Richmond have now issued a statement advising that they now not only withdraw from the NPL process, but have also JOINED the other other 59 'rebel' clubs. Edited by Benjamin: 30/9/2013 05:01:36 PM
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Benjamin wrote:You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate. I guess it's knd of the same as Richmond coming out and issuing a statement that they'd been misrepresented. You're drawing a very long bow with a claim of corruption. A very long bow. Should the headline accompanying Richmond have been... "Richmond FC uncover corruption among SMFC led rebels"???
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Benjamin wrote:You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate. JO FFA is waiting for an FFA statement before he expresses his view me thinks
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Quote:https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com ... eleone.pdf https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com ... sSplit.pdf UPDATE No: 17 – 27 September 2013 To All Clubs & Co-Signatories – Release to FFA, FFV (Board, Zone Reps, Chairs Standing Committees) & Media Alleged Unauthorised Statements issued by FFV’s President, Nick Monteleone Current FFV Director, Mr. Aldrin De Silva, Lawyer and Partner at Deloitte, released the following Statement yesterday (attached in full): From: Aldrin De Zilva Date: 26 September 2013 15:25:57 AEST Dear All, I refer to the statements (attached) released by Mr Nick Monteleone on the following dates: 12 September - President's NPL update 17 September - unsigned statement in relation to the financial position 19 September - reissued statement in relation to the financial position (signed and on letterhead). I wish to advise that these statements were NOT brougt to the attention of (and therefore not approved by) the FFV Board prior to release Therefore, I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them. I will continue to seek appropriate governance procedures are followed by the FFV Board. Kind regards Aldrin De Zilva Director Football Federation of Victoria We are alarmed but not surprised about the events described by Mr. De Silva. For a considerable period now, we have been raising our concerns about the state of the FFV finances and the manner in which the NPLV process has been managed by FFV. Although we disagree with Mr. Monteleone’s 12 September update (which is one of the statements referred to by Mr. De Silva and there are many parts that are incorrect and misleading, we have not responded on legal advice because of the current Court proceeding being brought against FFV. Victorian football clubs provide over $6M (2012 FFV Annual Report) to FFV in order to manage our code. We are concerned that FFV is squandering a large portion of these funds by not focusing on providing core services to the clubs which, day to day, management the grass roots of the game. The Victorian football clubs will be scheduling a meeting to review what steps we need to take to protect the financial integrity of our football landscape. We will send out details shortly. We would like to welcome the following co-signatory clubs joining us in opposition to the FFVs attempt to alter the fundamental principles of our code: - Shepparton South SC - FC Williamstown - Cobram Victory FC - Caulfield United Cobras SC 59 Clubs to date have joined the co-signatory group in a united voice for a viable and successful NPLV model rollout in 2014, which works for community, country/regional, state and NPL clubs. These 59 Co-signatory clubs combined constitute over 100,000 football club members / supporters / youth teams / juniors / sub juniors / parents / coaches / administrators. We will be providing a NPLV Update on Monday 30 September 2013 Yours in football Nick Tsiaras, Vice President, Box Hill United Soccer Club Tom Kalas, Club Director, South Melbourne Football Club that now makes it 59 clubs
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You do not issue a statement like "I am unable to endorse these statements by Mr Monteleone and wish to distance myself from them." if you don't have a major issue with them.
Joffa - out of interest, what is your opinion on the Monteleone issuing statements on behalf of the FFV which have not been authorized, and what do you think of a senior lawyer feeling the need to put out a statement distancing himself. Don't sit on the fence on this one mate.
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Big Wally wrote:Well don't you think a more correct thread title would have been...
FFV director distances himself from montoleone statements.
Saying that a director has exposed corruption is wrong. No corruption has been exposed, nor probably exists. It's probably a case of the director hasn't seen the finances, therefore can't agree with the statement that has been made.
Sorry to break it to u, but I don't think the board meets daily, or even weekly, and therefore they cannot all be kept abreast of all issues as they happen. It's the boards job to make strategic decisions, it's the CEOs job to run it on a day to day basis. This is different to grassroots club where the cook gets a say in player signings... Don't expect facts or balance to get in the way of spin.
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Well don't you think a more correct thread title would have been...
FFV director distances himself from montoleone statements.
Saying that a director has exposed corruption is wrong. No corruption has been exposed, nor probably exists. It's probably a case of the director hasn't seen the finances, therefore can't agree with the statement that has been made.
Sorry to break it to u, but I don't think the board meets daily, or even weekly, and therefore they cannot all be kept abreast of all issues as they happen. It's the boards job to make strategic decisions, it's the CEOs job to run it on a day to day basis. This is different to grassroots club where the cook gets a say in player signings...
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Big Wally wrote:The director never said the statement was wrong, simply that the board had not endorsed the statements. Your assuming they are wrong. Until proven that the statements are wrong, it's not corruption. If the statements are proven to be correct, what say you?
This is pretty much the same deal as the rebel clubs coming out and making a statement on behalf of Richmond, who later came out and said the statement was wrong, and that they'd make their own statements. I can't see any difference. Both statements were misrepresentations, however one is being labelled corrupt, the other doesn't get discussed.
As an outsider, I'd just prefer a bit of level headed commentary, rather than this overly dramatised commentary coming from smfc, on every single issue. BW What is wrong is any one individual issuing statements on behalf of a board of 1 entity minus endorsement Richmond and smfc are not on the same board - miss communication from a couple of Richmond board members - however all resolved within a day of Richmond's position FFV Board members all sit on the 1 table statements are wrong on the grounds that they are not approved Edited by chris: 27/9/2013 11:35:27 AM
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The director never said the statement was wrong, simply that the board had not endorsed the statements. Your assuming they are wrong. Until proven that the statements are wrong, it's not corruption. If the statements are proven to be correct, what say you?
This is pretty much the same deal as the rebel clubs coming out and making a statement on behalf of Richmond, who later came out and said the statement was wrong, and that they'd make their own statements. I can't see any difference. Both statements were misrepresentations, however one is being labelled corrupt, the other doesn't get discussed.
As an outsider, I'd just prefer a bit of level headed commentary, rather than this overly dramatised commentary coming from smfc, on every single issue.
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Finally - statement was issued by Aldrin De Zilva FFV Director I just googled this bloke, and found he is a Partner at Deloitte !!! This is frightening stuff ! deloitte.com - Deloitte Australia www.deloitte.com/au Specialists in audit & advisory,tax corporate finance and consulting
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CORRUPTED...
1. To destroy or subvert the honesty or integrity of.
2. To ruin morally; pervert.
3. To taint; contaminate.
4. To cause to become rotten; spoil.
5. To change the original form of (a text, for example).
6. Computer Science To damage (data) in a file or on a disk.
I think the first 3 in bold sum it up
Monteleone released a statement regarding the financials of the FFV as a responnse to the clubs scrutinising their viability minus any endorsement from the FFV board - this in itself questions the accuracy of his statement and also whether or not the statement reflect the views of the FFV or his iscolated opinion
Monteleone released statement in relation to proceeding with the FFV version of the NPL - once again it appears he is now driving the FFV program himself minus the endorsement of the FFV booard of directors - yet they are the ones that are financially liable - particularly pending the outcome of the court case or any other insolvency which remains a distinct possibility
In summary - when a president is issuing media statements on behalf of a panel of directors who are all legally binded and more specifically financially at risk - particularly during a court battle whereby the risk of financial losses are a true possibility - and via a media statements the president of an organisation is articulating a directive path which involves additional investment - a path which is minus the support of its members and constituents and minus the consultation and endorsement and sign off from its fellow directors - corruption is a fair term
It seems Monteleone hates consultation at any level - not just its members - but also his fellow directors who also have a huge financial risk element at stake
They can lose their houses over this issue - that's how severe Monteleones actions are in working in isolation
It appears that he has positioned himself to be the sole beneficiary - however he is using other people's money to achieve his goal
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Benjamin wrote:Big Wally wrote:I can't see the corruption, all I can see is a board member saying the CEO made a statement without first getting board approval. Am I missing something?
Are we to think that Frank Lowy proof reads everything before Gallop speaks? I think not. The board member is actively distancing himself from the statements - that's very different to saying they weren't checked. And yes, I would think that the board of the FFA and/or Lowy WOULD read any statement being made in reference to an ongoing court case with an impending vote of no confidence in the board. In particular, I think it all 10 A-League franchises were in conflict with the FFA it is extremely unlikely that Gallop would be allowed to release formal statements without the approval of the board. Again, I'm still failing to see the link between your above explanation and corruption. Maybe look up the meaning of corruption and then again ask yourself if distancing yourself from statement is corruption?
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Waiting for mahoney to analyse this and somehow come to the conclusion that it will work in favour of the FFV and against the clubs.
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Benjamin wrote:Priest wrote:Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year I would suspect the letter has actually shortened proceedings by quite a way... Letter published > Monteleone position untenable > vote of no confidence directed at him rather than the entire board > New head of FFV > negotiations with clubs > NPLV model as per clubs suggestions for 2014. Monteleone is not the only one who is to be removed.. I suspect the board is positioning themselves to offer up Monteleone as a sacrificial lamb in order to protect their positions. The classic "it was all him - WE can work together". Majority of the board back Monteleone. There are two that don't.
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Priest wrote:Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year I would suspect the letter has actually shortened proceedings by quite a way... Letter published > Monteleone position untenable > vote of no confidence directed at him rather than the entire board > New head of FFV > negotiations with clubs > NPLV model as per clubs suggestions for 2014. Monteleone is not the only one who is to be removed.. I suspect the board is positioning themselves to offer up Monteleone as a sacrificial lamb in order to protect their positions. The classic "it was all him - WE can work together".
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Big Wally wrote:I can't see the corruption, all I can see is a board member saying the CEO made a statement without first getting board approval. Am I missing something?
Are we to think that Frank Lowy proof reads everything before Gallop speaks? I think not. The board member is actively distancing himself from the statements - that's very different to saying they weren't checked. And yes, I would think that the board of the FFA and/or Lowy WOULD read any statement being made in reference to an ongoing court case with an impending vote of no confidence in the board. In particular, I think it all 10 A-League franchises were in conflict with the FFA it is extremely unlikely that Gallop would be allowed to release formal statements without the approval of the board.
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Edited by australiantibullus: 27/9/2013 07:36:50 AM
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Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year I would suspect the letter has actually shortened proceedings by quite a way... Letter published > Monteleone position untenable > vote of no confidence directed at him rather than the entire board > New head of FFV > negotiations with clubs > NPLV model as per clubs suggestions for 2014. Monteleone is not the only one who is to be removed..
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I can't see the corruption, all I can see is a board member saying the CEO made a statement without first getting board approval. Am I missing something?
Are we to think that Frank Lowy proof reads everything before Gallop speaks? I think not.
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Time has come to make a post....cannot stand reading the ignorant rants of the village idiots.
What a disappointing position to be in....Board = Dysfunctional....I pay my kids fees, sponsor a club, volunteer at that club, and then we have a figurehead that does not respect my child's role in the game, my role in the game, my clubs role in the community.
A respected Board Member takes a stand on eve of significant week for the game in Victoria, and people question the motives of a group of clubs working for the betterment of the game.
Only one state in implementing its NPL, Victoria, has disenfranchised clubs to the point of no return.
Not everyone is perfect, fairly confident it hasn't been plain sailing for all...however then I read these quotes....there are administrators out there with respect.
•Ben Buckley (21 May 2012 on Football Australia Website) – “the State League Clubs have long played an important role in developing young players in Australia and these reforms will further elevate State League Clubs and Competitions in this role and ensure there is consistency in how clubs go about developing youth around the country. Importantly, State League clubs will receive greater recognition for the work they do”.
•NNSWF CEO David Eland (1st March 2013 on Football Australia Website) - “We need to make sure that is sustainable and financially viable. Newcastle and the Hunter region are recognised as one of the heartlands of Australian football. We have a myriad of clubs with more than 100 years of history in the game. While we applaud what FFA is trying to achieve we want to make sure it’s done in a way our clubs can handle and that they can survive.”
•Football West CEO Peter Hugg (1st March 2013 on Football Australia Website) – “All the outcomes, you can’t argue with any of those and they’re positive to state league clubs. But it is hard for a state such as West Australia, which has just over a third the landmass of the continent, and we have clubs in the north, such as Kununurra, which is probably further away from us than Sydney is. We needed to take it carefully, work with the clubs and get a complete understanding of what it means; I’d rather do it successfully slowly than unsuccessfully quickly.”
•Football NSW CEO Eddie Moore (1st March 2013 on Football Australia Website) - “(Clubs) They still have their identity; they still have their cultures that take them from their origins. But what we’re looking for here is a style and a thinking of football that sits in and around that; it’s not the case of changing APIA from an Italian-based club”.
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a.league.addict wrote:Quote: FFV has stated that it expects licences will be announced on 30 September. Just imagine. I know it's all hypothetical and there may be a ruling against the FFV by the courts. But just imagine. Imagine in 4 days time the FFV announcing the licences. Obviously SMFC won't be there. Not just THAT mono-ethnic club but every other mono-ethnic club in the VPL. Simply because they didn't apply. Just like they didn't apply to join the A-League. You fucking mugs, your mono-ethnic club is treating you like the mugs you really are and feeding you bullshit and false hope when they always knew the NPL was not for them and not for you. It's 4 days to go before the FFV announces the licences. BE VERY AFRAID. :lol: :lol: :lol: The end is nearer than you think. How sad. :p :p :p Yes dear. It's the club that made this statement - not a highly respected lawyer who is a member of the board of the FFV. Scary that you, a football supporter, would try to distract anyone from the issue of the head of the FFV issuing misleading statements without the authorization of his board. I understand it would be a terrible blow to your long standing stance against our clubs if it turned out that the FFV and not the clubs is the problem, but have you got the balls to put that aside and admit that Monteleone is in the wrong when he acts in this manner? And if he's wrong on this matter - is it possible that he's been wrong on other matters which have THE ENTIRE FOOTBALL COMMUNITY standing against him?
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Quote: FFV has stated that it expects licences will be announced on 30 September. Just imagine. I know it's all hypothetical and there may be a ruling against the FFV by the courts. But just imagine. Imagine in 4 days time the FFV announcing the licences. Obviously SMFC won't be there. Not just THAT mono-ethnic club but every other mono-ethnic club in the VPL. Simply because they didn't apply. Just like they didn't apply to join the A-League. You fucking mugs, your mono-ethnic club is treating you like the mugs you really are and feeding you bullshit and false hope when they always knew the NPL was not for them and not for you. It's 4 days to go before the FFV announces the licences. BE VERY AFRAID. :lol: :lol: :lol: The end is nearer than you think. How sad. :p :p :p
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Benjamin wrote:chris wrote:That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year I would suspect the letter has actually shortened proceedings by quite a way... Letter published > Monteleone position untenable > vote of no confidence directed at him rather than the entire board > New head of FFV > negotiations with clubs > NPLV model as per clubs suggestions for 2014. Assuming he is as stupid as he sounds - it may vey well go to court - no big deal Edited by chris: 26/9/2013 07:46:32 PM
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chris wrote:That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year I would suspect the letter has actually shortened proceedings by quite a way... Letter published > Monteleone position untenable > vote of no confidence directed at him rather than the entire board > New head of FFV > negotiations with clubs > NPLV model as per clubs suggestions for 2014.
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That letter alone has extended court proceedings by a year
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