grazorblade wrote:StiflersMom wrote:I watched him play this morning against WBA, seriously the guy is phenomenal, he's like a one man band in that team, everyone else is lost, he seems to be both the defense and attack, fuck me no wonder the Gunners are after him
everyone should remember holman's story and how it sometimes takes a while for club form to translate to international form
You may be right Grazor Blade, but same time (I was never Holman Hater FTR), Jedinak has already played with the Socceroos for a number of years now, 40 odd caps since his debut 2008. Two full World Cup campaigns. But just, even that and 'the suggestion we've seen the extent of his talents with the NT already' aside - There is ALSO the thing where the demands, tactical approach, style of opponents etc... which ALSO factored in to Holman's mixed form (Again, was never a hater).
Yeah, Jedinak's in the supposedly best domestic league in the world, albeit playing with one of it's poorest teams - WHICH, in itself, is a major factor in the equation, the circumstances of the team's tactical set up and approach to their opponents.
Going by Stifler'sMom and the comments of others, he seems to perform well in a 'free-er' role with Palace, in a different contextual environment and even style league.
But with the Socceroos, we have our 'Dutch-style' system, and Jedinak, like the rest of our players, have to perform to the requirements of their respective roles 'within' that system. And 'often' we're the 'favoured' team who are having to 'seize the initiative' and break down 10-man defences via AFC qualifying in temperatures, match and pitch conditions far foreign from Europe and even the A-League. THEN, jump from that, to friendlies and even WC matches against the best teams in the world, and the challenge there is even greater than any Jedinak and his Socceroos team mates face at club level. Brazil and even France are genuinely top International sides, featuring players, individuals regarded amongst the best players in the world, right now and two of those individuals literally tore our sides apart - Neymar and Ribery. Heck, EPL-based Jedinak - not even he faces the likes of they - He faces some top players, no doubt, but NOT they (Nor Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo)!
Jedinak may be good in context, in the context of his Palace role, but the Socceroos and the DM-role he's long played, has different demands in a different, very intense, much more varied environment with some team mates of quite varying circumstances and even playing levels (Some who even lacked regular football/fitness - Holman, Neill, Carney etc).
Don't forget how poorly we played against Oman, with he and Holland in CM/DM. That was in fair part a tactical fault, pointing to Holger, but Holland and Jedi shared blame too, unable or lacking the game to contribute to our build up going forward, with Jedinak resorting to long and at times even aimless, balls.
Edited by gloryperth: 9/11/2013 02:52:53 AM