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afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.
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maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies.....

You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).



lol....you are so full of hatred......poor soul

well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto
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afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.
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maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies.....

You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).


you are making out that 95% of the population of Australia is poor.....

now who is making things up???????
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afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.
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maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies.....

You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).



typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-"
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batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.
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maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies.....

You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).



typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-"

There's nothing personal there, it makes observations about your contentions.
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well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto

And those who don't have foxtel, don't drink, don't smoke and don't indulge in any of your other aforementioned "lower class luxuries" and still can't afford private education, they should just fall by the wayside, right?

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Our country is fucked, get over it. Am emigrating.


Oh look another edgy teen ragging Australia because it is cool to do so. Name a few countries that are better to live in.

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afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.


Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument


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433 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.


Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument


And what percentage of those were full fee paying? What percentage of those had siblings who did likewise?

Annual statistics aren't particularly relevant when we're talking about being privately educated for a prolonged period. Parents paying $20k/year for 6 years of high school (before having to buy things like books, laptops, uniforms, etc) for multiple children, it's prohibitively expensive.
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afromanGT wrote:
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Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.


Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument


And what percentage of those were full fee paying? What percentage of those had siblings who did likewise?

Annual statistics aren't particularly relevant when we're talking about being privately educated for a prolonged period. Parents paying $20k/year for 6 years of high school (before having to buy things like books, laptops, uniforms, etc) for multiple children, it's prohibitively expensive.


Statistics are only valid when they support my argument. :roll:
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Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.
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afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.


EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education.

If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others.
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There is no such thing as a private school in oz . Aps stands for Australian public schools . The public people are hating on are state schools . I know plenty of people who went to so called private schools who end up working on factories . They hated the system of the schools because they get spoon fed everything
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Anyway, I have found that a parents interest in a students education is more valuable than a private school education.
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Agree . I can't stand some parents who send their kids to private schools and expect the teachers to do everything . Hell some parents do that in state schools .
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433 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.


EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education.

If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others.

If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate.
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afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.


EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education.

If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others.

If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate.


I'm not talking about comparative education with other countries.

I'm comparing the types of schooling options in Australia against each other.
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433 wrote:
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433 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.


EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education.

If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others.

If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate.


I'm not talking about comparative education with other countries.

I'm comparing the types of schooling options in Australia against each other.

So in say, Somalia where all education options are frankly shit, they're doing A-OK according to you because they're comparative with each other?
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Parents need to send their children to school with a desire to learn. If they have this desire they will learn anywhere. If students have no desire to learn then it is very hard for a teacher.
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afromanGT wrote:
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Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool.
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maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies.....

You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).



typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-"

There's nothing personal there, it makes observations about your contentions.
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well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto

And those who don't have foxtel, don't drink, don't smoke and don't indulge in any of your other aforementioned "lower class luxuries" and still can't afford private education, they should just fall by the wayside, right?



nope....they get free education at a public school and it's not that bad really is it......you appear to be a reasonably intelligent person....you are public school educated aren't you???

so it's not like they are going to be left out completely.....i think there are some very very high ranking student from the public system......
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afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.



ummmmm

EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school
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batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.



ummmmm

EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school

Yes, but the PISA report clearly demonstrates that the adequacy and standard of education in this country has fallen significantly. Just because everyone has the opportunity to attend doesn't mean that it's adequate.
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Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally.
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433 wrote:
Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally.

I'm sorry, I must have been confused by the SUBJECT of the thread being "PISA report finds Australian teenagers education worse than 10 years ago".
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afromanGT wrote:
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Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally.

I'm sorry, I must have been confused by the SUBJECT of the thread being "PISA report finds Australian teenagers education worse than 10 years ago".


It was obvious that the thread got derailed.


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They go hand in hand really. It's like "hey, I got a free meal!" and it's an apple core in a balled up tissue. It's shit, but it's free, right?
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afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:

EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.



ummmmm

EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school

Yes, but the PISA report clearly demonstrates that the adequacy and standard of education in this country has fallen significantly. Just because everyone has the opportunity to attend doesn't mean that it's adequate.


agreed....but it is adequate for a vast % of our population which is good....yes it should and can be better and a lot of that is the curriculum and teacher training.....
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