5 teams is only a problem if you want to retain the State Cups, I would abolish them and just have straight FFA Cup Qualifying. Even if you want to keep the State Cups, 5 is an option, if you went for example 20 teams-10-5 (all qualify)- 2 teams play to get to 4 remaining - 2-1. It's pretty simple but NSW and NNSW don't seem to know how to run a Cup.

My source for the club numbers? Counting them myself from the Federation and affiliated Associations websites. It might be slightly off, but I think it's pretty accurate. Clubs that run multiple teams in different competitions with different names was a problem, but I think I covered most of these instances. Why did I count them? I was trying to develop a much nicer qualification for the FFA Cup, that didn't have all the issues of this year, but included every possible eligible club in the country. I've got a nice plan there too, but that's another story for another post.
From my counts these are the numbers of clubs eligible (divided by 21 to get the Clubs Quota)
NSW 521 (7.50)
Qld 204 (2.94)
NT 18 (0.26)
NNSW 156 (2.25)
WA 150 (2.16)
SA 76 (1.09) I don't think this number is correct as I included clubs from the Whyalla League, which I'm not sure is FFSA affiliated.
ACT 28 (0.40)
Tas 31 (0.45)
Vic 274 (3.95)

For the Performance Quota for matches played so far in the FFA Cup I used total points (using my criteria) per federation, I know averages per club would probably be better because Federations with more clubs already have greater opportunity for gaining total points and I developed another model using averages but that actually took allocations away from QLD and Vic and gave them back to NNSW and WA. So my points criteria 3 points for a win, 2 points for a win by penalties, 1 points for loss by penalties, 0 for normal loss. Bonus points: 1 for being knocked out by an a-league club, 2 for knocking out an a-league club, 1 for progressing interstate. Then to work out Performance quotas it was (points per federation) divided by (total points/21).
Points so far (Performance Quotas)
NSW 8 (3.11)
Qld 15 (5.83)
NT 0 (0)
NNSW 1 (0.39)
WA 2 (0.78)
SA 8 (3.11)
ACT 4 (1.56)
Tas 1 (0.39)
Vic 15 (5.83)

Then average of Clubs quota and Performance quota to gain the total quotas I posted earlier.

Edited by thewitness: 24/9/2014 04:54:01 PM

As long as every state and territory is given 1 spot in the final 32 not really fussed how the weighting goes after that.

Surely the performance criteria should be on a per game basis, not just total points?

Some states might have extra games compared to other for the same number of points.

The average points per game (using the bonus point system) with the performance quotas in brackets:

NSW 0.89 (1.37)
Qld 2.14 (3.29)
NT 0 (0)
NNSW 0.5 (0.77)
WA 1 (1.54)
SA 4 (6.14)
ACT 2 (3.07)
Tas 1 (1.54)
Vic 2.14 (3.29)

Then averaging with the Clubs Quota with rounding down for SA and NNSW and adding one to the NT I get the following:

NSW 4 (-3)
Qld 3 (-1)
NT 1 (+1)
NNSW 1 (-1)
WA 2 (+0)
SA 3 (+2)
ACT 2 (+1)
Tas 1 (+0)
Vic 4 (+0)

Edited by hotrod: 24/9/2014 06:33:29 PM

I agree totals are not the best way, and averaged over 3 or 4 years using points per club would work, it's just that because nsw were so bad and sa so good this time it skews the data too much for a one off year.

Fair point. I would probably see no change to the next cup or two, and then the FFA might have a look at how the various federations have performed over than period and adjust accordingly for performance.

Does anyone know if the Semi final Draw is random?

I really hope that if palm beach defeat CCM its not a case of State vs state & a-league vs a-league deliberately in the draw.

Nope. If there are two HAL clubs and two MA clubs left in the Semis it's guaranteed by the draw procedure that both fixtures will be HAL vs MA.

It should be, A State league team is only guaranteed up to the Semi final, after that it's up to them. I just want to see an Adelaide derby if they get through.

Ah I see now, I really dont understand why at the least the semis couldnt be random

Well, don't let it be said that the FFA are above breaking their own rules when it suits them, so I'll guess we'll see what happens.

It is true, why would an Aussie use the Palestinian flag as their avatar on a football forum. I bet you wear your keffiyeh while you have a wank over the thought of killing Jews.

You're right tbh. I do wank at the thought of my soap being made from authentic Jew.

You're an idiot.

:-s

Nah the comp is pretty pointless if we dont play more state sides. The max one team can play is 4 times. Basically it's just 4 extra rounds.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please don't stop.

Maybe with the money made from the $40 tickets in the Boka stand they can upgrade the 3 sunken bays that were fenced off. :-" :-" :-"

/somethingsomethingdraupnirrant. :-":lol:

Nah, SydneyUnited IMO have a fucking awesome little ground.

David Gallop got full strength beer, and we were being served Hahn Super Dry 3.5...

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Mind you, still better than VB. :lol:

This thread just derailed harder than the Waterfall train did.

Which one?

im reposting this here because I know Gallop reads this page
"This is where it becomes quite evident that the FFA have stuffed up the days.
Im fine with the Tuesday nights. But they should have started from the 1/4 final round.
So every team could have played the round of 16 and 32 at home, those rounds should have been 3pm on Saturdays.
Not requiring lighting.
Now everybody learnt the hard way.
Clubs with insufficient lighting would have to move for eventual 1/4 1/2 and finals"

We no you read it too Eddie. HAWKS

Edited by scott21: 26/9/2014 05:57:34 PM

All round beautiful night at Edensor Park.

Would have been perfect on a Sunday afternoon though.

Most teams were still mid-league during those rounds. You can't expect match fixtures at the end of the season to come under question due to whether a competing team has a cup tie or not.

I thought Wednesday would have been a better cup day but meh.

If they found a solution why not?

Just have cup weekends then where no league fixtures are scheduled.

Most clubs own their own ground so there are no real pressures to complete a season within a certain period of time.

I played with this idea. That would mean fewer match days.

Maybe round of 32 on one weekend. Saturday and Sunday. (Teams with lights could play friday & saturday night too)
Likewise round of 16.
You lose 2 round of 32 match days. But perhaps cup weekend could have a bigger impact. The broadcaster could stagger the games(if in wa or 1pm 330pm and 6pm kos on a saturday etc)
One would think even with an open draw, the chances of 2 a-league teams playing is high. These could be the friday & Saturday night games.

Like i said find the solutions. We know what the problems are

Edited by scott21: 26/9/2014 09:47:59 PM

3pm kick offs on a Saturday would be mint

The idea above isn't the best either because it cuts down on exposure. Less match days/weeks means less publicity in the papers etc. Perhaps the FFA has promised sponsors a minimum amount of match days/weeks.

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Taking the Saturday thing one step further though.
Before we have a 44 non a-league team round across the country :lol:

If they could organise a "qualification round". On a Saturday 3-4 weeks before the round of 32.
This would mean eg.
Palm Beach v Caloundra
Strikers v Lions
Adelaide City v West Adelaide
Knights v South Melbourne
etc
all play on the same day, same time (maybe except wa) and have a studio show. Where they give updates from around the grounds..... Scores only (theyd have to arrange smss or calls from around the grounds). Give a presentation or info on each club etc. Hopefully this isnt too far off.
NNSW and NSW have to sort out their qualification routes though.

Edited by scott21: 26/9/2014 10:26:14 PM

Not really.

League on the weekend. Cup during the week. It means the papers and other media have something football related.