Marcelo Carrusca to stay with Adelaide United - but only for a pay rise


Marcelo Carrusca to stay with Adelaide United - but only for a pay...

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Carrusca would be a perfect replacement for Shinji at Wanderers.
Come on Adelaide, show him the money!
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I have a feeling Hersi will leave Wanderers & they'll sign Carrusca as his replacement, if AU play hardball
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Kienchil wrote:
Davide82 wrote:
F**king PAY THE MAN!!!

By far my favourite player to watch in the league....by far
He has had me actually laugh in the stands at some of the ways he has made defenders look like idiots

If he played for Victory or Sydney we would hear a lot more about him on Fox etc

It's true he is fragile but he looks like playing at least 2/3rds of the season and that's good enough for me


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Davide82 wrote:
F**king PAY THE MAN!!!

By far my favourite player to watch in the league....by far
He has had me actually laugh in the stands at some of the ways he has made defenders look like idiots

If he played for Victory or Sydney we would hear a lot more about him on Fox etc

It's true he is fragile but he looks like playing at least 2/3rds of the season and that's good enough for me


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F**king PAY THE MAN!!!

By far my favourite player to watch in the league....by far
He has had me actually laugh in the stands at some of the ways he has made defenders look like idiots

If he played for Victory or Sydney we would hear a lot more about him on Fox etc

It's true he is fragile but he looks like playing at least 2/3rds of the season and that's good enough for me
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Man Adelaide have a good group of foreigners.
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Mfrendin_Roar wrote:
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Maybe we learnt our lesson about producing cults around our players. Notice none of us, use his image as our profile pic and sig ;)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :cry: :lol:


lol your still hurt about this… Flores was with you for, wait for it, 1 SEASON! he didn't win a championship with you, ADL let him go and he defiantly didn't go straight to victory ! its going to be the same old Adl if your board keeps this stuff up. ](*,)

Edited by Mfrendin_Roar: 30/1/2014 05:03:13 PM

Lol hurt? No, I wasn't even in the cult of Flores to begin with. We all had an opinion along the lines of "we must keep him at all costs" but you know what? We didn't and we ended up getting Carrusca who is a quite different but also IMO far better player and life moved on.

If we want on going success we can't model our game around one or two game breaking players. We work in a salary capped league and those players will move on at some stage.

Personally the only person that would really bother me if they left the club would be Gombau. The coach is by far the most important attribute to a successful team in this league. Just look at your own club's form when you had a bit of a dud as a coach.

Edited by mcjules: 30/1/2014 05:13:27 PM


fair enough, but you need to build your team not replace like for like. we lost murdocca and improved by getting miller, we got rid of Paartalu and upgraded with Brattan, thats how you become better, keep carrusca and so add another quality player. Don't lose players if you don't want to. Do you get what I mean?

I do get what you mean. I don't think anyone (club included) want him to leave but we can't put all our eggs in that basket.

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We all want him to stay but I have trust in gombau, I don't believe he will let this slide if he does not have a better option and let's be honest, gombau's connections in Spain probably have more pulling power then every other league coach in aus put together.

We are bringing in 4 kids from the youth league next year I believe so there will surely be some spare coin laying around.

Carussca may be here, he may not but I'm very sure we will have an outstanding number 10 regardless.
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Foreigners order IMO
1. Carrusca
Daylight...
2. Cirio
3. Jeronimo
4. Isaias
5. Ferreira

When do all their contracts expire?
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mcjules wrote:
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mcjules wrote:
Maybe we learnt our lesson about producing cults around our players. Notice none of us, use his image as our profile pic and sig ;)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :cry: :lol:


lol your still hurt about this… Flores was with you for, wait for it, 1 SEASON! he didn't win a championship with you, ADL let him go and he defiantly didn't go straight to victory ! its going to be the same old Adl if your board keeps this stuff up. ](*,)

Edited by Mfrendin_Roar: 30/1/2014 05:03:13 PM

Lol hurt? No, I wasn't even in the cult of Flores to begin with. We all had an opinion along the lines of "we must keep him at all costs" but you know what? We didn't and we ended up getting Carrusca who is a quite different but also IMO far better player and life moved on.

If we want on going success we can't model our game around one or two game breaking players. We work in a salary capped league and those players will move on at some stage.

Personally the only person that would really bother me if they left the club would be Gombau. The coach is by far the most important attribute to a successful team in this league. Just look at your own club's form when you had a bit of a dud as a coach.

Edited by mcjules: 30/1/2014 05:13:27 PM


fair enough, but you need to build your team not replace like for like. we lost murdocca and improved by getting miller, we got rid of Paartalu and upgraded with Brattan, thats how you become better, keep carrusca and so add another quality player. Don't lose players if you don't want to. Do you get what I mean?
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Lustica out, Carrusca to marquee spot with some additional wages.
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Mfrendin_Roar wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Maybe we learnt our lesson about producing cults around our players. Notice none of us, use his image as our profile pic and sig ;)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :cry: :lol:


lol your still hurt about this… Flores was with you for, wait for it, 1 SEASON! he didn't win a championship with you, ADL let him go and he defiantly didn't go straight to victory ! its going to be the same old Adl if your board keeps this stuff up. ](*,)

Edited by Mfrendin_Roar: 30/1/2014 05:03:13 PM

Lol hurt? No, I wasn't even in the cult of Flores to begin with. We all had an opinion along the lines of "we must keep him at all costs" but you know what? We didn't and we ended up getting Carrusca who is a quite different but also IMO far better player and life moved on.

If we want on going success we can't model our game around one or two game breaking players. We work in a salary capped league and those players will move on at some stage.

Personally the only person that would really bother me if they left the club would be Gombau. The coach is by far the most important attribute to a successful team in this league. Just look at your own club's form when you had a bit of a dud as a coach.

Edited by mcjules: 30/1/2014 05:13:27 PM

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mcjules wrote:
Mfrendin_Roar wrote:
sanga1 wrote:
Wardman wrote:
I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?


This is exactly why your club doesn't push for the Premiership and won't be a consistent winning side when your attitude is "we'll just find another quality foreigner". The club itself probably hasn't had the finance in the past or the cap space to do as such, but now when you are healthy, I wouldn't be settling for mediocrity.
Retain your quality players, give him the value he deserves and your side will flourish.
Let him go and you're right back to where you started.

Carrusca is quality, I would do everything I could to resign him, and as a fan, I would settle for nothing but his signature


This. I can't believe some adl fan's attitude to Carrusca?

Maybe we learnt our lesson about producing cults around our players. Notice none of us, use his image as our profile pic and sig ;)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :cry: :lol:


lol your still hurt about this… Flores was with you for, wait for it, 1 SEASON! he didn't win a championship with you, ADL let him go and he defiantly didn't go straight to victory ! its going to be the same old Adl if your board keeps this stuff up. ](*,)

Edited by Mfrendin_Roar: 30/1/2014 05:03:13 PM
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Mfrendin_Roar wrote:
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I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?


This is exactly why your club doesn't push for the Premiership and won't be a consistent winning side when your attitude is "we'll just find another quality foreigner". The club itself probably hasn't had the finance in the past or the cap space to do as such, but now when you are healthy, I wouldn't be settling for mediocrity.
Retain your quality players, give him the value he deserves and your side will flourish.
Let him go and you're right back to where you started.

Carrusca is quality, I would do everything I could to resign him, and as a fan, I would settle for nothing but his signature


This. I can't believe some adl fan's attitude to Carrusca?

Maybe we learnt our lesson about producing cults around our players. Notice none of us, use his image as our profile pic and sig ;)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :cry: :lol:

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sanga1 wrote:
Wardman wrote:
I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?


This is exactly why your club doesn't push for the Premiership and won't be a consistent winning side when your attitude is "we'll just find another quality foreigner". The club itself probably hasn't had the finance in the past or the cap space to do as such, but now when you are healthy, I wouldn't be settling for mediocrity.
Retain your quality players, give him the value he deserves and your side will flourish.
Let him go and you're right back to where you started.

Carrusca is quality, I would do everything I could to resign him, and as a fan, I would settle for nothing but his signature


This. I can't believe some adl fan's attitude to Carrusca?
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sanga1 wrote:
Wardman wrote:
I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?


This is exactly why your club doesn't push for the Premiership and won't be a consistent winning side when your attitude is "we'll just find another quality foreigner". The club itself probably hasn't had the finance in the past or the cap space to do as such, but now when you are healthy, I wouldn't be settling for mediocrity.
Retain your quality players, give him the value he deserves and your side will flourish.
Let him go and you're right back to where you started.

Carrusca is quality, I would do everything I could to resign him, and as a fan, I would settle for nothing but his signature

All your "good" foreigners are going to leave end of this season so I guess you won't be winning anything either?

No player is bigger than the team, if blowing the bank on Carrusca means we lose out significantly in another area then it's just not worth it.

If the agent is being honest, then I think we will retain him, he could however be painting a picture that puts Marcelo in a good light if he leaves.

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In the top 5 players in the league when fit, unfortunately he's made of glass and therefore tends to play within himself to try and not get injured but still tends to miss a lot of football due to injuries.
Not worth investing to heavily in simply due to that fact.


100% agree. The reason he came to Australia was because he hadn't found success due to his injury issues.

I do agree he'd be good at Sydney; they seem to love putting more people on the books through injury replacement

Edited by sirpp: 30/1/2014 10:24:32 AM
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Wardman wrote:
I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?


This is exactly why your club doesn't push for the Premiership and won't be a consistent winning side when your attitude is "we'll just find another quality foreigner". The club itself probably hasn't had the finance in the past or the cap space to do as such, but now when you are healthy, I wouldn't be settling for mediocrity.
Retain your quality players, give him the value he deserves and your side will flourish.
Let him go and you're right back to where you started.

Carrusca is quality, I would do everything I could to resign him, and as a fan, I would settle for nothing but his signature
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In the top 5 players in the league when fit, unfortunately he's made of glass and therefore tends to play within himself to try and not get injured but still tends to miss a lot of football due to injuries.
Not worth investing to heavily in simply due to that fact.
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Hope, if this whole thing is correct, he goes overseas.

Wouldn't like watching him at Hindmarsh in a light blue or dark blue shirt - or any other mob.


There's more cash o/s but not the lifestyle. His brother plays for a local team, and Chelo likes the family bit, so more money might make him decide to stay here, but que sera, sera, in the end it's Gombau who'll win it for us

Edited by redcup: 29/1/2014 03:51:35 PM
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He deserves a pay increase, he is by far the best foriegner at AU, probably the best player in the squad.

If Adelaide don't offer him enough I wouldn't mind seeing sydney snap him up. Get rid of tiago and sign him up. Now we have petkovic, Jurman and ryall and plenty of good youth cb we don't need tiago at all sadly, he plays with a lot of heart but he isn't needed.
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I like Carrusca, love what he brings to the team, but I also appreciate that the club has some financial restraints. They found Flores and Carrusca, I'm confident they can find another creative midfielder who won't break the bank. I'd love Carrusca to stay, because he's a player I (and my kids) love to watch.

When does Jeronimo's contract expire? I don't like suggesting this, but is he the most expendable out of the foreign players?
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Not a single quote from anyone other than an agent. An agents job is to get more money in any way they can. The article is written by a journo that not a single person from AUFC wants to talk to.

#Facts


#valssonisstillashitgoalkeeper

Same old Val still trying to stir up shit to make life hard for Gombau.

His agenda is so transparent it's laughable. Hopefully we continue to win games just to spite the bitter old bastard.

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if (team winning):
Write articles about all the players that might not sign at end of the season

Same every season.

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General Ashnak wrote:
Not a single quote from anyone other than an agent. An agents job is to get more money in any way they can. The article is written by a journo that not a single person from AUFC wants to talk to.

#Facts


#valssonisstillashitgoalkeeper

Same old Val still trying to stir up shit to make life hard for Gombau.

His agenda is so transparent it's laughable. Hopefully we continue to win games just to spite the bitter old bastard.
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Not a single quote from anyone other than an agent. An agents job is to get more money in any way they can. The article is written by a journo that not a single person from AUFC wants to talk to.

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Davo1985 wrote:
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Stop being cheap FFS, don't let what happened to Flores happen again. Offering him less is plain disrespectful.


That's what happens with a salary cap in a non salary capped football world. It forces good talent to leave the club and leave the competition because everyone can't be paid what they deserve.

With eggball Aussie Rules a player goes to another club if allowed or cops it sweet, because there is nowhere else to go.

It's time we stopped having the eggball Aussie Rules influence on our Football competition.

We are NOT the only professional football competition in the world like eggball Aussie Rules. We have to compete in a world market and offer our players fair payment based on a world market, unlike eggball Aussie rules.


Rubbish!

Flores left and then came back and signed for another A-League team and Carrusca is looking at other options within the A-League. Does Adelaide not have a marquee spot they can use?

The issue in this case isn't the salary cap, but the fact that United can't afford him. Without the cap wouldn't change anything. He would still be leaving as Adelaide don't have the funds.


I dont think the issue is that we dont have the funds, the issue is that Gombau wants to bring another spaniard in but has all visa positions taken up.

Why pay Carussca a shitload if Gombau believes he can get a spaniard to do the job for less?

I would hate to see him play against AUFC but if he is let go i am sure it is because Gombau has something already lined up. For example Vidosic out Lustica in who seemed to fit in with the system much more ( thought he now wants to leave ).

I feel carussca will stay though, we have 6 spanish speaking players here and he is very settled with him family, after a little back and forthing with details i think a deal will be done
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Siameseparrot wrote:
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Stop being cheap FFS, don't let what happened to Flores happen again. Offering him less is plain disrespectful.


That's what happens with a salary cap in a non salary capped football world. It forces good talent to leave the club and leave the competition because everyone can't be paid what they deserve.

With eggball Aussie Rules a player goes to another club if allowed or cops it sweet, because there is nowhere else to go.

It's time we stopped having the eggball Aussie Rules influence on our Football competition.

We are NOT the only professional football competition in the world like eggball Aussie Rules. We have to compete in a world market and offer our players fair payment based on a world market, unlike eggball Aussie rules.


Rubbish!

Flores left and then came back and signed for another A-League team and Carrusca is looking at other options within the A-League. Does Adelaide not have a marquee spot they can use?

The issue in this case isn't the salary cap, but the fact that United can't afford him. Without the cap wouldn't change anything. He would still be leaving as Adelaide don't have the funds.

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Siameseparrot wrote:
milan_7 wrote:
Stop being cheap FFS, don't let what happened to Flores happen again. Offering him less is plain disrespectful.


That's what happens with a salary cap in a non salary capped football world. It forces good talent to leave the club and leave the competition because everyone can't be paid what they deserve.

With eggball Aussie Rules a player goes to another club if allowed or cops it sweet, because there is nowhere else to go.

It's time we stopped having the eggball Aussie Rules influence on our Football competition.

We are NOT the only professional football competition in the world like eggball Aussie Rules. We have to compete in a world market and offer our players fair payment based on a world market, unlike eggball Aussie rules.


Yeah, the article clearly states that the CPI (Consumer Price Index for anyone who isn't sure) is in a different situation to what it was in when he originally signed, ie: not as good for him.

To me it just sounds like they've offered him the exact same terms as his original contract, but because the Australian dollar isn't as strong as it was when he originally signed, he's getting less value.
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Dan_The_Red wrote:
Give him what he wants FFS.

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