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petszk wrote:u4486662 wrote:RedKat wrote:StiflersMom wrote:u4486662 wrote:StiflersMom wrote:So many different views on such a touchy subject, you could start by asking "should there be capital punishment in the first place?" My first instinct is no, then I read reaction's like this Roar #1 wrote:What ever method they used to kill their victims. and you have to think, some of these perpetrators are simply sick Moral Less puppies that maybe don't deserve to breath the same air , some of the sick crimes that have been committed forces the need to be rid of these fucktards. And at the risk of contradicting myself , should repeat pedophiles be allowed to live ? I mean if you have proven beyond a doubt that some sick puppy has committed the unspeakable to children, do they deserve the death penalty or use Roar #1 analogy and give them the same torture as their victims ? So yeah, if you have to have the death penalty, then the perpetrator should suffer the same fate of their victim ( yes I know this makes us no better then him/her, but hey, they started it ). How about you just lock up all violent criminals and sex offenders for life? That way there is no need for a death penalty and the public can be kept safe. Like take their life away without taking their life away. Still works for me, as I said "So yeah, if you have to have the death penalty" I actually didn't back having it, I was suggesting that if you are going to have it the punishment should fit the crime Thing is so few people are locked away for life and theres phenomenal cost involved with keeping someone in jail. They still get meals etc. Sadly, crime and punishment will always cost tax payers. I don't think there is much we can do about apart from making inmates work whilst in jail. I know a few jails have factories that they put the inmates to work on, like in making number plates etc.Capital punishment doesn't really make it cheaper cos the average inmate spends about 10-20 years on death row anyway. In fact, in the US, Jails are a lucrative source of income due to having a basically unpaid workforce to perform manufacturing jobs ... Quote:According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289Edited by petszk: 26/5/2014 12:29:19 PM It's also big business for the prisons. They're all privately run even though the government funds them as if they are at full capacity, so they have the incentive to encourage politicians to make laws putting people in jail. It's why weed can land you life in prison, it's why police enforce stop and frisk and have to catch a minimum amount of people every month on top of many other laws. Both of these disproportionality affect minorities so your source is definitely right to say its a new form of slavery, although it's not even too different from the old kind.
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afromanGT
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tbitm wrote:Joffa wrote:One of the problems with State sanctioned executions is what happens when you make a mistake and get it wrong...and they've executed the wrong person more than once... that's my reasoning too, 4% of death row inmates I believe. The fact that isn't 0% is sickening. I personally don't have a moral obligation with killing murderers, rapists or what have you. But the fact innocent people get killed, and it doesn't even deter crime has me against it. If it's used only in the event of serial offenders then it's a much lower chance that they've got the wrong person. I think you'll find that majority of wrongly convicted executions were convictions from isolated crimes so serial offenders are a) going to have more reliable evidence (hopefully) and b) have a lower chance of rehabilitation. In those circumstances I think it's totally valid that execution be considered a plausible punishment. Guys like Adrian Bailey, Brian Jones and Martin Bryant deserve to be executed. "The death penalty may turn the state into a murderer but incarceration makes the state a gay dungeon master."
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Killing the prisoners makes them no better.
Just let them spend the rest of their lives in prison, no death penalty. If any of these were to be chosen, I'd just choose none.
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u4486662
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Munrubenmuz wrote:interesting video and debunk a fair few myths about the death penalty .
Now just from a scientific perspective I'm not sure how they can't get this lethal injection thing to work.
If you've ever been prepped for an operation you'll know the anaesthetist knocks you out in 6 seconds flat. Junkies seem to OD all the time from a heroin overdoses so wouldn't it just be a case then of pumping knocked out bloke full of herion, morphine or some other mad drug?
Obviously it's more difficult than that but I'd be interested to know why they can't do it this way. Where's that doctor bloke that's on this forum. Here I am. No doctor would ever be involved because of the hippocratic oath. As a result they have to get a "technician" to cannulate the inmate usually with little experience. They then normally use a sedating agent, then a paralysing agent, then Potassium Chloride that stops the heart. The botched injections I've heard of involved the cannula being misplaced, meaning the drugs went into the tissues and not into veins, or a problem with the drug pump, that is normally meant to administer the drugs quickly. If there is no anaesthetist there it can't run smoothly if there is an error. It is possible to administer enormous doses of any of those medications and that would result in death but it could take like an hour for that to happen, especially with something like morphine. It takes a lot to kill someone.
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tbitm wrote:petszk wrote:u4486662 wrote:RedKat wrote:StiflersMom wrote:u4486662 wrote:StiflersMom wrote:So many different views on such a touchy subject, you could start by asking "should there be capital punishment in the first place?" My first instinct is no, then I read reaction's like this Roar #1 wrote:What ever method they used to kill their victims. and you have to think, some of these perpetrators are simply sick Moral Less puppies that maybe don't deserve to breath the same air , some of the sick crimes that have been committed forces the need to be rid of these fucktards. And at the risk of contradicting myself , should repeat pedophiles be allowed to live ? I mean if you have proven beyond a doubt that some sick puppy has committed the unspeakable to children, do they deserve the death penalty or use Roar #1 analogy and give them the same torture as their victims ? So yeah, if you have to have the death penalty, then the perpetrator should suffer the same fate of their victim ( yes I know this makes us no better then him/her, but hey, they started it ). How about you just lock up all violent criminals and sex offenders for life? That way there is no need for a death penalty and the public can be kept safe. Like take their life away without taking their life away. Still works for me, as I said "So yeah, if you have to have the death penalty" I actually didn't back having it, I was suggesting that if you are going to have it the punishment should fit the crime Thing is so few people are locked away for life and theres phenomenal cost involved with keeping someone in jail. They still get meals etc. Sadly, crime and punishment will always cost tax payers. I don't think there is much we can do about apart from making inmates work whilst in jail. I know a few jails have factories that they put the inmates to work on, like in making number plates etc.Capital punishment doesn't really make it cheaper cos the average inmate spends about 10-20 years on death row anyway. In fact, in the US, Jails are a lucrative source of income due to having a basically unpaid workforce to perform manufacturing jobs ... Quote:According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289Edited by petszk: 26/5/2014 12:29:19 PM It's also big business for the prisons. They're all privately run even though the government funds them as if they are at full capacity, so they have the incentive to encourage politicians to make laws putting people in jail. It's why weed can land you life in prison, it's why police enforce stop and frisk and have to catch a minimum amount of people every month on top of many other laws. Both of these disproportionality affect minorities so your source is definitely right to say its a new form of slavery, although it's not even too different from the old kind. This. They are big business in the US, cheap labour without the use of 'slaves', they want more people to go to prison= more profit.
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u4486662 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:interesting video and debunk a fair few myths about the death penalty .
Now just from a scientific perspective I'm not sure how they can't get this lethal injection thing to work.
If you've ever been prepped for an operation you'll know the anaesthetist knocks you out in 6 seconds flat. Junkies seem to OD all the time from a heroin overdoses so wouldn't it just be a case then of pumping knocked out bloke full of herion, morphine or some other mad drug?
Obviously it's more difficult than that but I'd be interested to know why they can't do it this way. Where's that doctor bloke that's on this forum. Here I am. No doctor would ever be involved because of the hippocratic oath. As a result they have to get a "technician" to cannulate the inmate usually with little experience. They then normally use a sedating agent, then a paralysing agent, then Potassium Chloride that stops the heart. The botched injections I've heard of involved the cannula being misplaced, meaning the drugs went into the tissues and not into veins, or a problem with the drug pump, that is normally meant to administer the drugs quickly. If there is no anaesthetist there it can't run smoothly if there is an error. It is possible to administer enormous doses of any of those medications and that would result in death but it could take like an hour for that to happen, especially with something like morphine. It takes a lot to kill someone. Very good. Thanks for the explanation. If only Hollywood were in charge of lethal injections. In the movies they just pump 2 or 3 shots of morphine into them and they kark it. How do vets do it?
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paulbagzFC wrote:Why they don't do that in Aus with detention centres is beyond me.
-PB Walk down to your car and have a feel of your number plates. It's still got that feeling of crim all over it. I agree they should do more though.
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Bowden wrote:Prison for life. But use them for regular psych studies. 8th amendment.
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Well apparently the reason they didn't have the usual drug they use for executions is that the anti-capital punishment lobby put pressure on the European chemical supplier of the product.
So they had to use a different drug, with horrible results.
The poor bloke was killed by irony.
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:lol: That's so hilarious it can't not be true.
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afromanGT wrote::lol: That's so hilarious it can't not be true. Just checked my facts. Absolutely true.
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