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Athletics stadiums > AFL stadiums any day of the week. Watching Football at olympic park was nowhere near as bad as it is at Etihad or Adelaide Oval
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melbourne_terrace wrote:Athletics stadiums > AFL stadiums any day of the week. Watching Football at olympic park was nowhere near as bad as it is at Etihad or Adelaide Oval Of the three ovals Ive been to for football, MCG, AO and Etihad. I found etihad to be the absolute worst, however I havent been there in rectangular formation.
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Gyfox wrote:vanbasten88 wrote: I'll be overseas and will miss this game:( but I'm willing to bet somebody on here whinges about football being played on an ALF Oval. Sure. It's not ideal, but At least it's a big name game here in Adelaide and the Oval doesn't have a Running track as Berlin's Olympic Stadium does, home of the DFB Pokal final ( German FA Cup Final) nor is it the Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban where our boys lost 4-0 to Germany in WC 2010. Plenty of football around the world played on 'Ovals' in recent times, the yanks play the occasional game on Baseball Diamonds...at least we don't have to alter the pitch dimensions as our American cousins do(typically a small pitch at minimum dimensions) just to get a game!
It is interesting that you cite two stadiums where the infield is narrower than Adelaide Oval in your defence of the ground. There are many ovals in Europe with an athletic track around them but depending on the layout of the jumping pits most are between 20m and 40m narrower than Adelaide Oval. Large format ovals like Adelaide Oval are third order stadiums when it comes to watching rectangular pitch sports and FIFA recommends that use of them be avoided if possible but when that is all you have it is what you have to use. I think we all agree that it's less than enviable, it's just how we respond to that, that's the difference. There will always be that make do with what you have aspect, given our reliance on so-called 'Multi-Use' stadiums for the bigger drawing 'Soccer'-related events, like this very upcoming one which sees the need for the gigantic oval to be dredged up. But indeed Gyfox and that's what vanbasten88, his fellow football fans in Adelaide and Perth, have to suffer annually, while we're continually, and logically, over-looked for Socceroos games. And that won't change till we have Multi-Use stadiums that can configure to closer to rectangle field size. I'm not up to speed, but surely the redeveloped Adelaide Oval has this in their designs and I'm fairly sure that plans for the redevelopment of Subi Oval (Currently on-hold) also had 'rectangle re-configuration' as a feature. So I guess there may be some hope on the horizon, which is atleast better than the no hope of before! And if our cities finally have stadiums fit for the Socceroos, then they will certainly be for the Malagas, Evertons, Melbourne Victory derbies, Asian Champions League finals, A-League Grand Finals etc...! Edited by GloryPerth: 22/7/2014 05:08:44 PM
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Joffa wrote:2014/15
Adelaide United: 4,200 Brisbane Roar: 8,064 Central Coast Mariners: 2,000 Melbourne City: 5,465 Melbourne Victory: 8,765 Newcastle Jets: 3,000 Perth Glory : 2,500 Sydney FC: 4,000 Wellington Phoenix: Western Sydney Wanderer: 5,340
Edited by Joffa: 21/7/2014 10:46:47 PM = Recent known total: 43334 That's another milestone coming in all this - an A-League total of 50k members could be reached soon enough and we're still in July. I think we can be certain that's certainly more than the A-League had by the end of the July last season! This is something to consider for the fact that the A-League reached 96k members or so, last season. So the league as a whole could soon be already more than half-way there. The massive growth of Roar and Melbourne City we can especially be thankful - though it's pleasing that all clubs are tracking atleast as well as last season, if not better! Edited by GloryPerth: 22/7/2014 05:09:02 PM
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deluka
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City 5775 @ 5:20pm jump of roughly 300 so far today
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Joffa
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Joffa wrote: 2014/15
Adelaide United: 4,200 Brisbane Roar: 8,064 Central Coast Mariners: 2,000 Melbourne City: 5,775 Melbourne Victory: 8,765 Newcastle Jets: 3,260 Perth Glory : 2,500 Sydney FC: 4,000 Wellington Phoenix: Western Sydney Wanderer: 5,340
Total = 43,904
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5800 for WSW
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Midfielder
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Joffa wrote:Joffa wrote: 2014/15
Adelaide United: 4,200 Brisbane Roar: 8,064 Central Coast Mariners: 2,000 Melbourne City: 5,775 Melbourne Victory: 8,765 Newcastle Jets: 3,260 Perth Glory : 2,500 Sydney FC: 4,000 Wellington Phoenix: Western Sydney Wanderer: 5,340
Total = 43,904 FRom last season Adelaide United: 6,415 Brisbane Roar: 8,100 Central Coast Mariners: 5,960 Melbourne Heart: 7,307 Melbourne Victory: 22,021 Newcastle Jets: 10,115 Perth Glory : 5,000 Sydney FC: 10,658 Wellington Phoenix: 3,500 Western Sydney Wanderers: 16,904 TOTAL: 94,520 Those early figures look good...
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On 25 July 2013...
Adelaide - 3,200 Brisbane - 3,000 Central Coast - 2,542 Heart - 2,697 Newcastle -5,000(nearly 6,000) Perth - Sydney - 3,022 Victory - 11,006 Wellington - 2,100 West Sydney - 13,000
Total 45,567
WSW, MV & Jets all well down on last season and the three clubs with the most HE issues ...
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GloryPerth wrote:Gyfox wrote:vanbasten88 wrote: I'll be overseas and will miss this game:( but I'm willing to bet somebody on here whinges about football being played on an ALF Oval. Sure. It's not ideal, but At least it's a big name game here in Adelaide and the Oval doesn't have a Running track as Berlin's Olympic Stadium does, home of the DFB Pokal final ( German FA Cup Final) nor is it the Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban where our boys lost 4-0 to Germany in WC 2010. Plenty of football around the world played on 'Ovals' in recent times, the yanks play the occasional game on Baseball Diamonds...at least we don't have to alter the pitch dimensions as our American cousins do(typically a small pitch at minimum dimensions) just to get a game!
It is interesting that you cite two stadiums where the infield is narrower than Adelaide Oval in your defence of the ground. There are many ovals in Europe with an athletic track around them but depending on the layout of the jumping pits most are between 20m and 40m narrower than Adelaide Oval. Large format ovals like Adelaide Oval are third order stadiums when it comes to watching rectangular pitch sports and FIFA recommends that use of them be avoided if possible but when that is all you have it is what you have to use. I'm not up to speed, but surely the redeveloped Adelaide Oval has this in their designs and I'm fairly sure that plans for the redevelopment of Subi Oval (Currently on-hold) also had 'rectangle re-configuration' as a feature. So I guess there may be some hope on the horizon, which is atleast better than the no hope of before! And if our cities finally have stadiums fit for the Socceroos, then they will certainly be for the Malagas, Evertons, Melbourne Victory derbies, Asian Champions League finals, A-League Grand Finals etc...! Edited by GloryPerth: 22/7/2014 05:08:44 PM Ur Def not up to speed! Subiaco oval redevlopment was deemed unsuitable a couple years back. New perth stadium design released a few days ago at Burswood. No retractable seating. Only bump in seats. I have no doubt that the sight lines will be some of the best in Australia. But no retractable seating is a disappointment. And AO doesn't have retractable seating. New perth stadium to be finished early 2018. Def suitable for socceroos. 2018 WC farewell game would be a great first socceroos match(if we qualify) http://www.perthstadium.com.auEdited by perthglory#1: 23/7/2014 02:25:54 AM
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^^ In regards to sight lines at the stadium, so it should really if its a brand new venue :)
It is a pity though that no moveable seats were added to the design. It is focused 90% towards AFL usage anyway, but for the amount of $$ invested, it could have been a better asset to appeal to more events.
As for socceroos matches in Perth, the downside to the FFA is that most of the govt investment in the game is on the east coast (ie. NSW/Vic/Qld so far willing to pay more for the matches), along with a larger corporate presence and also a more favourable timezone for the majority of the Australian population "over east".
A great venue alone only helps if the required incentive package comes with it.
Edited by heart_fan: 23/7/2014 09:47:18 AM
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Heart_fan wrote:^^ In regards to sight lines at the stadium, so it should really if its a brand new venue :)
It is a pity though that no moveable seats were added to the design. It is focused 90% towards AFL usage anyway, but for the amount of $$ invested, it could have been a better asset to appeal to more events.
As for socceroos matches in Perth, the downside to the FFA is that most of the govt investment in the game is on the east coast (ie. NSW/Vic/Qld so far willing to pay more for the matches), along with a larger corporate presence and also a more favourable timezone for the majority of the Australian population "over east".
A great venue alone only helps if the required incentive package comes with it.
Edited by heart_fan: 23/7/2014 09:47:18 AM By looking at the image below it would seem as though there is retractable seating planned. Either that or they have done a very sketchy job at portraying what a football pitch would look like on an oval. http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/974px/The%20new%20Perth%20Stadium%20and%20Sports%20Precinct.%20Soccer%20format.jpg
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Davo1985 wrote:Heart_fan wrote:^^ In regards to sight lines at the stadium, so it should really if its a brand new venue :)
It is a pity though that no moveable seats were added to the design. It is focused 90% towards AFL usage anyway, but for the amount of $$ invested, it could have been a better asset to appeal to more events.
As for socceroos matches in Perth, the downside to the FFA is that most of the govt investment in the game is on the east coast (ie. NSW/Vic/Qld so far willing to pay more for the matches), along with a larger corporate presence and also a more favourable timezone for the majority of the Australian population "over east".
A great venue alone only helps if the required incentive package comes with it.
Edited by heart_fan: 23/7/2014 09:47:18 AM By looking at the image below it would seem as though there is retractable seating planned. Either that or they have done a very sketchy job at portraying what a football pitch would look like on an oval. http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/974px/The%20new%20Perth%20Stadium%20and%20Sports%20Precinct.%20Soccer%20format.jpg The design is to bump in 5,000 temporary tiered seats inside the fence. Thats about 5 or 6 rows if it goes right around the ground. The front of the bottom tier has been raised to allow this. The problem with this strategy for a football match is that the advertising hoardings that are installed all around the pitch will ensure that all of these additional seats will have a restricted view. i.e. you won't be able to see the ball when play is near the edge of the pitch. Not to worry though because the first half a dozen or more rows of the bottom tier will have the same problem. Edited by gyfox: 23/7/2014 12:10:58 PM
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Davo1985 wrote:Heart_fan wrote:^^ In regards to sight lines at the stadium, so it should really if its a brand new venue :)
It is a pity though that no moveable seats were added to the design. It is focused 90% towards AFL usage anyway, but for the amount of $$ invested, it could have been a better asset to appeal to more events.
As for socceroos matches in Perth, the downside to the FFA is that most of the govt investment in the game is on the east coast (ie. NSW/Vic/Qld so far willing to pay more for the matches), along with a larger corporate presence and also a more favourable timezone for the majority of the Australian population "over east".
A great venue alone only helps if the required incentive package comes with it.
Edited by heart_fan: 23/7/2014 09:47:18 AM By looking at the image below it would seem as though there is retractable seating planned. Either that or they have done a very sketchy job at portraying what a football pitch would look like on an oval. http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/974px/The%20new%20Perth%20Stadium%20and%20Sports%20Precinct.%20Soccer%20format.jpg I love how there's somebody waving a Victory scarf in that picture :lol:
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[quote=Joffa]Joffa wrote: 2014/15
Adelaide United: 4,200 Brisbane Roar: 8,064 Central Coast Mariners: 2,000 Melbourne City: 5,775 Melbourne Victory: 8,765 Newcastle Jets: 3,260 Perth Glory : 2,500 Sydney FC: 4,000 Wellington Phoenix: Western Sydney Wanderer: 5,800
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Brisbane roar on track for 15 or 16k
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City catching victory. Sydney fc number is a joke
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lukerobinho wrote:City catching victory. Sydney fc number is a joke Sydney FC number is actually about $1k better than it was this time last year. And we haven't even announced our marquee for this season yet either, so i would settle down a bit for now. Let's see what happens. I predict we'll probably end up at around 9-10k by the start of the season which would be quite good considering the drivel we dished up last year and the fact that ADP is no longer with us.
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WSW now 6297 Edited by swarth: 23/7/2014 03:09:24 PM
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Davo1985 wrote:lukerobinho wrote:City catching victory. Sydney fc number is a joke Sydney FC number is actually about $1k better than it was this time last year. And we haven't even announced our marquee for this season yet either, so i would settle down a bit for now. Let's see what happens. I predict we'll probably end up at around 9-10k by the start of the season which would be quite good considering the drivel we dished up last year and the fact that ADP is no longer with us. With the names you've been linked to I wouldn't be counting on a marquee bringing in a huge number of members before the season.
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6327...
I wonder if the email issue has now been addressed. I imagine that would have held up a number of families.
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Davo1985
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Davo1985 wrote:lukerobinho wrote:City catching victory. Sydney fc number is a joke Sydney FC number is actually about $1k better than it was this time last year. And we haven't even announced our marquee for this season yet either, so i would settle down a bit for now. Let's see what happens. I predict we'll probably end up at around 9-10k by the start of the season which would be quite good considering the drivel we dished up last year and the fact that ADP is no longer with us. With the names you've been linked to I wouldn't be counting on a marquee bringing in a huge number of members before the season. Until only a half hour ago the only real name we were linked to that i knew of was Ameobi. however after reading the latest quotes made by Arnold, seems as though a few other players have been targeted. Would have to agree though, none of these players like Janko or Hoarau or Zamora would really sell memberships. i know w'ere focusing on a striker but i would have liked for us to have gone for a player more like a no 10. Cambiasso would have been a good fit. And a very well recognised player amongst football fans. Edited by Davo1985: 23/7/2014 05:18:20 PM
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Burztur wrote:6327...
I wonder if the email issue has now been addressed. I imagine that would have held up a number of families. Yeah i emailed member admin 3 days ago and still have not got the rest of my tickets sorted. I imagine this is holding up our memberships but we will eventually cap at 16k again no problems.
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The Dudist
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Victory at 9,147.
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Joffa
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2014/15
Adelaide United: 4,200 Brisbane Roar: 8,064 Central Coast Mariners: 2,000 Melbourne City: 5,834 Melbourne Victory: 9,147 Newcastle Jets: 3,260 Perth Glory : 2,500 Sydney FC: 4,000 Wellington Phoenix: Western Sydney Wanderer: 6,327
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perthglory#1 wrote:GloryPerth wrote:I'm not up to speed, but surely the redeveloped Adelaide Oval has this in their designs and I'm fairly sure that plans for the redevelopment of Subi Oval (Currently on-hold) also had 'rectangle re-configuration' as a feature. So I guess there may be some hope on the horizon, which is atleast better than the no hope of before!
And if our cities finally have stadiums fit for the Socceroos, then they will certainly be for the Malagas, Evertons, Melbourne Victory derbies, Asian Champions League finals, A-League Grand Finals etc...!
Edited by GloryPerth: 22/7/2014 05:08:44 PM Ur Def not up to speed! Subiaco oval redevlopment was deemed unsuitable a couple years back. New perth stadium design released a few days ago at Burswood. No retractable seating. Only bump in seats. I have no doubt that the sight lines will be some of the best in Australia. But no retractable seating is a disappointment. And AO doesn't have retractable seating. New perth stadium to be finished early 2018. Def suitable for socceroos. 2018 WC farewell game would be a great first socceroos match(if we qualify) http://www.perthstadium.com.auEdited by perthglory#1: 23/7/2014 02:25:54 AM Ah thanks for that perthglory#1. Ah yes, the Burswood Stadium - how could I forget! Damn, that's a real shame and as Gyfox discusses follow up, that seems no good. Again, Perth fans short-changed. They always like to 'claim' as part of it's proud Multi-Use capabilities that it can host 'Soccer' matches, but in reality, like Heart Fan suggested, odds are stacked against us anyway, for practical/commercial/strategic reasons, but also if our stadiums still aren't as great for this code as the likes of top-class rectangle venues like Suncorp. That's Perth Stadium's competition for the rectangle code. Granted, hope still remains... Heart_fan wrote:^^ In regards to sight lines at the stadium, so it should really if its a brand new venue :)
It is a pity though that no moveable seats were added to the design. It is focused 90% towards AFL usage anyway, but for the amount of $$ invested, it could have been a better asset to appeal to more events.
As for socceroos matches in Perth, the downside to the FFA is that most of the govt investment in the game is on the east coast (ie. NSW/Vic/Qld so far willing to pay more for the matches), along with a larger corporate presence and also a more favourable timezone for the majority of the Australian population "over east".
A great venue alone only helps if the required incentive package comes with it.
Edited by heart_fan: 23/7/2014 09:47:18 AM ...that's true, but Perth could still be an option for second-tier kind of Socceroos games, the kind of games we see every few years, like 'Asian Cup Qualifiers' and the like. These are the kinds of games that the likes of Canberra have hosted before. A game every 4-5 years is not a big ask, especially if it's only a lesser name Mid-East side or the likes of Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia or whoever. The Sydney market in-particular, well arguably suffers from over-saturation to a degree and the 'consumer fatigue' (Drop in Socceroos crowd numbers, relative to peaks years circa Pim era) seems to reflect that? A sharing of the load for lower drawing games and a little more scarcity for Sydney's fans may help bump up the big-drawing fixtures Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne do get to host? :-k Edited by GloryPerth: 24/7/2014 01:57:45 AM
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