I'm sure you'll be fine.

-PB

Sadly this is what it might require eventually.

Saudi Australian. From Adelelelelelelelelelelelelaide.

The article clearly says he is Saudi.

I thought it was 19 out of 20 but whatever it is there's big money behind these fuckers from countries supposedly on "our" side.

And NonOrganic wants us to take responsibility for these so called "Australians"....no thanks.

Some of them were very well educated and were quite the contrary stereotype to the uncivilised barbarians of ISIS we see on footage. Very scary.

Edited by SocaWho: 13/8/2014 11:17:00 PM

Fun fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers in the September 11 attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia, not to mention Bin Laden himself.

The question that needs to be asked is who is funding these lunatics?

Did you guess right? Rich pricks from countries that are supposedly American "allies".

More money than sense. The sooner they invent hoverboards (or even better, affordable hydrogen cars) the sooner these oil digging medieval fuckers that haven't moved on from the 14th century can go rot in hell.

They won't move there because they want it here as well. Their goal is to convert the world to Islam, that they actually think this is at all possible highlights the scale of their delusions. I mean prayer and Ak47s and all that shit can only get you so far, f22s are a different prospect though.

So let them have their Islamic State in Iraq.

All the mongs here that want it can move there, and we can accept Humberts mates in return.

It's simple.

We out extremist the extremists.

-PB

It seems your more concerned about his welfare rather than the risk he poses to Australian Society or his victims.

They're also committing genocide against the Yazidi.

It's religion. Look at the genocide these radicals are committing against fellow moderate Muslims and Arabs, to advance the cause of Islam. If they will shoot at will and decapitate their own people, imagine what they would willing to do to westerners who are antithesis of everything the Koran preaches. The anti west rhetoric is just fuel on fire, it isn't central to their primary motivations whcih is to spread Islam and implement shariah law wherever possible.

The worst thing we could ever do is just go soft on extremism and dupe ourselves into thinking if we are nice to these people they will become loyal patriotic citizens. Their goal is to establish an Islamic state, not out of revenge or justice but because that it is the pure Koran instruction. To just sit on our hands and do nothing is naive, allowing them to transverse the globe learning how to kill people and detonate bombs and importing these skills and depravation back into Australia is going to fuel fundamentalism here.

-PB

Jeez, SocaWho lecturing on common sense.

What Notorganic fails to forget is that, we are fortunate to have a forum to voice our views under the system we have at the moment. Suppose we live under Sharia law or in Caliphate then theres no way we would be able to express our views the way we are doing now. This is by no means an attack on Islam per se, but these are the very ideals that the madman holding the severed heads is trying to achieve.

You are getting carried away and we both know it. :lol: Apply a bit of common sense and you have your answer.:d . Im sorry hypotheticals just don't compare to real facts....and the real facts we have here is damning evidence of a murderer holding the heads of his victims whereas you're talking about a fictional situation in your mind.

Edited by SocaWho: 13/8/2014 08:59:00 AM

Edited by SocaWho: 13/8/2014 09:38:18 AM

I agree. The photos are more than enough evidence to begin a DHS investigation and likely remove all the children from the fathers custody.

If you think that Australia can deport Australian citizens to nations that they are not citizens of... I think you need to go back to wikipedia and do some more reading on international law.

People are forgetting that this idiot that put his kid in this situation was born in Australia and I haven't been able to find anything to suggest that he holds citizenship to any nation other than Australia.


You understand my point though, even if you're trying to obfuscate it with the emotional kumbaya nonsense.

Coming down hard on them has only made the problem worse. Do you think that "they" hate the west because of the culture or values, or because of ongoing western interventions and authoritarian policy?

i just find it amazing a father would promote and expose a child to that sort of thing, that's child abuse.....

just leave them where they belong, no re entering Australia to promote hatred and incite violence, we have enough already....

While I agree something needs to happen to them if they want to return, I think it will take a lot of careful planning on the Gumnuts behalf as it will set a fairly dangerous precedent, last thing we need is another FFA-like judiciary where the is no court of appeal or anything like that.

It's also the fact that it'll be up to the current Government to probably set such laws scares me.

I say just send them back on the plane they come in (if thoroughly proven to be fighting in wars etc).

-PB

The same place others who are denied entry to Australia go when they're stopped at the airport - the next plane back to where they came from.

I mean, if you don't like being treated like that you could always take the easy option and y'know, not break the law n shit.

Fucking authoritarianism? :lol: These little shits don't fear our government, police or Asio one bit, they just laugh at us. There's nothing we can say or do to change their minds, they are brainwashed by extremist Islamist rhetoric, they despise and are disgusted by western values. From their perspective we are infidels and thus controlled by satan, it's not like we can sit down for a friendly chat with them over a cuppa and change their minds. Or that by respecting them to go and chop heads off in Iraq and Syria they will come back to Australia more patriotic because we allowed them to express their spiritual calling.

It's not like you can just bake them some cookies and extend the hand of mate ship and she'll be right. If we try to placate them by being nice they will just use it against us, to our own detriment, like they have done to democracy. How about some flowers and friendship bracelets. That will win them to our side, all we need to show them is kindness and love.

Do people want to revoke the kids citizenship? He's a kid ffs he has no say on what he's doing.

notor - you see your part of the problem at hand presenting the counter arguments.
We can't allow govco making the decision at hand to revoke xyz's citizenship or disallowing re entry into Australia.
The images alone are proof enough what this person is involved in, its not a movie, it is fact, as has been mentioned these citizens have been watched/known practising with these fanatical radical groups thats enough evidence to stop these people coming back in - period full stop. why does there need to be a court case for eg having let them back in ? Fuck that.
Thats our problem and why these people take advantage of the weak system.
This situation of nutters is growing - the longer we keep going by our current piss weak ways the stronger they will become right next door to you I any of us here.
Even in the US with their far greater protection I expect than ours 9/11 happenned right under their nose's.

Why is it that here in our free country we allow any religion build their places of worship etcetc.....
notor travels to Iraq,lebanon name any other middle east coutry for eg and wishs to build his place of worship, live as he would being australian, allow his wife walk around without a berka etcetc how much support would you get from their own gov ? let alone their people ?

Yes, because Authoritarianism has been so successful in curbing "western hate" so far.

It's also a recipe for disaster to allow these little jihadists to travel another country to learn the art of decapitation and become totally desensitised to violence and morality and allow them to re-enter Austrlaia with these new found skills and life experience.

We just need to put our foot down and not allow these kinds of people in Australia, if it means revoking their citizenship or putting them in jail we have to do whatever it takes to mollify the addiction to terror, senseless violence and western hate they will sow among their communities and vulnerable dipshit youth.

A good start would be outlawing those sick fuck imans who've been allowed to freely preach their hate and sow the seeds of this kind of extremism in Australia we are now seeing.