Dan Blizarian : Champ or Chump?


Dan Blizarian : Champ or Chump?

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Champ in my books.

Your thoughts?
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Haven't really looked into the bloke, but credit to him.
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Massive douche.
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Benjo wrote:
Massive douche.


This.
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Massive dickweed . And to think a lot of teenage boys love the guy .
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Two heart attacks by 30. Bravo.
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He gives no fucks.

Respect to people who give no fucks, even if rumours are he's a trust fund bitch are true.
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I've never heard of him. Can someone tldr it so I can decide whether I should look into it or not?
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notorganic wrote:
I've never heard of him. Can someone tldr it so I can decide whether I should look into it or not?


Search on Facebook or instagram for lots of skin.

Edited by benelsmore: 21/8/2014 07:26:35 PM
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notorganic wrote:
I've never heard of him. Can someone tldr it so I can decide whether I should look into it or not?


He's a guy who is really fucking rich and does what he wants (usually with lots of women with him). Likes poker also.
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notorganic wrote:
I've never heard of him. Can someone tldr it so I can decide whether I should look into it or not?


He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Massive chump IMO, he's such a try hard.

I've nothing against what he does or the lifestyle he lives, he's basically fulfilling most males fantasies but the utterly cringe worthy manner in which he panders to this 'I don't give a fuck' playboy image he has created for himself is pathetic.

Edited by fredsta: 21/8/2014 08:00:29 PM
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He is another one of those # what rich kids do wank fucks
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Pass.
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He uploaded this conversation with a publicist to social media, it sums up how much of a try hard c*nt he is.



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Wow.

He sounds like a massive douche.

Clearly, anyone who does post images on social media cares deeply about what people think. He is clearly very insecure.
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benelsmore wrote:
He gives no fucks.

Respect to people who give no fucks, even if rumours are he's a trust fund bitch are true.

I think he deserves a lot of kudos for this.
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:lol: kudos ?? He acts like he doesn't give a fuck yet posts online to get his praise . Yeah he doesn't give a fuck :lol:
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benelsmore wrote:
He gives no fucks.

Respect to people who give no fucks, even if rumours are he's a trust fund bitch are true.


Thats the life to live. Im working hard to make sure my future kids live that life.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
:lol: kudos ?? He acts like he doesn't give a fuck yet posts online to get his praise . Yeah he doesn't give a fuck :lol:

No need to get jealous champ.:lol:

I sure as hell don't have his lifestyle, but Im not bitter that I don't have a lifestyle like he does....unlike some.

Edited by SocaWho: 21/8/2014 09:44:30 PM
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Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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I personally don't give a fuck about the bloke. It's like Charlie Sheen - he's nothing but an attention whore.

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
:lol: kudos ?? He acts like he doesn't give a fuck yet posts online to get his praise . Yeah he doesn't give a fuck :lol:

No need to get jealous champ.:lol:

I sure as hell don't have his lifestyle, but Im not bitter that I don't have a lifestyle like he does....unlike some.

Edited by SocaWho: 21/8/2014 09:44:30 PM

Me jealous ? I'm 30 with two kids and a house and a loving wife . He is 30 it's time for the idiot to grow up . Maybe learn what it is like to make money and not live off mommy and daddy's money

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 21/8/2014 09:58:02 PM
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Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:


Standard gimp Heineken post, cheers.

I'd love to do some of the shit he does sure, but I think anyone past their teens who brags about their exploits on nights out to social media is sad tbh, he just takes try hard to a whole new level.
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Male version of Kim Kardashain ffs, what kind of loser would idolise this bloke ffs
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Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:


Standard gimp Heineken post, cheers.

:lol: What's gotten you so tightly wound?

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:


Standard gimp Heineken post, cheers.

:lol: What's gotten you so tightly wound?


I wasn't intending to sound bitter because I'm not bitter about what he does, I just honestly think that if you look past the stuff he does and focus on what he says about it that the guy seems like a loser tbh.
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Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB

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Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:


Standard gimp Heineken post, cheers.

:lol: What's gotten you so tightly wound?


I wasn't intending to sound bitter because I'm not bitter about what he does, I just honestly think that if you look past the stuff he does and focus on what he says about it that the guy seems like a loser tbh.

X 2 guy seems like the type who has too much time on his hands and kids see that and thunk that's how to act at 30

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 21/8/2014 10:55:11 PM
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Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
He's a trust fund baby who got famous for uploading photo's showing off his wealth and his antics with scantily clad women on social media. He's kind of like a filthy rich version of our own AfromanGT except instead of writing erotic fiction about his coke fueled debaucheries on an internet forum he uploads photo's to facebook and instagram instead.

Because you totally don't sound bitter at all. :lol:


Standard gimp Heineken post, cheers.

:lol: What's gotten you so tightly wound?


I wasn't intending to sound bitter because I'm not bitter about what he does, I just honestly think that if you look past the stuff he does and focus on what he says about it that the guy seems like a loser tbh.

Its interesting for discussion on many an angle.
No matter what someone does regardless of whether its a good deed or a bad deed...they will always attract criticism. For example in contrast to Blizarian, there's a barber in New York who does haircuts on homeless people for free as an act of charity (in his spare time). He posts pictures of himself on Instagram whilst cutting the hair of those people . Now the thing is, you get the various people who:
a) Commend him for doing such great work for charity and helping out homeless people. OR
b) Hate on him because he's just trying to portray himself as a good guy and looking for praise ,etc,etc.
Its human nature for you.
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But that barber is actually doing a good deed . Dan is just using the net to get his Internet fame . Teen boys love the guy but in Reality his life is so far removed for reality that those same boys will find out life isn't that
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
:lol: kudos ?? He acts like he doesn't give a fuck yet posts online to get his praise . Yeah he doesn't give a fuck :lol:

No need to get jealous champ.:lol:

I sure as hell don't have his lifestyle, but Im not bitter that I don't have a lifestyle like he does....unlike some.

Edited by SocaWho: 21/8/2014 09:44:30 PM

Me jealous ? I'm 30 with two kids and a house and a loving wife . He is 30 it's time for the idiot to grow up . Maybe learn what it is like to make money and not live off mommy and daddy's money

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 21/8/2014 09:58:02 PM

He made part of his money from playing poker and from making guest appearances, and of course he has a rich dad (yes that helps). But Im sure he makes much money from advertising due to amount of following he has on Social Media.
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The guy is famous for the sake of famous. He's the male equivalent of Paris Hilton.

Oh the difference a beard makes.
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paulbagzFC wrote:
Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB


Why would he need them ? Hes already got 10's of millions in the bank. He can pay someone to do it
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Roar #1 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB


Why would he need them ? Hes already got 10's of millions in the bank. He can pay someone to do it

Plus he was a day from graduating to be a US Navy Seal before being kicked out.
I'd say that more than qualifies him to have skills in the real world.
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SocaWho wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB


Why would he need them ? Hes already got 10's of millions in the bank. He can pay someone to do it

Plus he was a day from graduating to be a US Navy Seal before being kicked out.
I'd say that more than qualifies him to have skills in the real world.


Plus he lives in the "real" world, hes not a fictional character.
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SocaWho wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB


Why would he need them ? Hes already got 10's of millions in the bank. He can pay someone to do it

Plus he was a day from graduating to be a US Navy Seal before being kicked out.
I'd say that more than qualifies him to have skills in the real world.

I'm not sure what every day activity learning how to rappel from a helicopter onto the deck of a moving ship prepares you for.

Furthermore, the guy's entire life is one big elaborate story, do you really think he was in the navy seals? They don't exactly give you a discharge a day before graduation into the elite branch of the US armed forces.
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afromanGT wrote:
The guy is famous for the sake of famous. He's the male equivalent of Paris Hilton.

Oh the difference a beard makes.


That photo's fake, research better chump
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melbourneboys wrote:
That photo's fake, research better chump

So's everything else about Dan Bilzerian.
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So who made his wealth aka the trust fund?

Dad?

-PB

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People on my facebook wall kept liking his stuff and commenting and it kept showing up. It was generally the same people who would go crazy for Zyzz.

Ended up blocking all of Dan Bilzerians posts. More of a chump in my eyes.
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Bloke is a flog in my book. Rocks a good beard though.

These people have no idea what it is like to live in the real world.

Good luck to him.

A shame that so many young people see him as something to aspire to.
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He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

George Carlin summed it up, "It's called dick fear"

Edited by marconi101: 22/8/2014 12:42:55 PM

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paulbagzFC wrote:
So who made his wealth aka the trust fund?

Dad?

-PB


Probably, but so what? Lucky him
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he might be living the dream, but it doesn't stop him being a trust fund wanker.

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
he might be living the dream, but it doesn't stop him being a trust fund wanker.

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Roar #1 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
So who made his wealth aka the trust fund?

Dad?

-PB


Probably, but so what? Lucky him


Just be interested to see how he was raised.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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He does whatever the fuck he wants: champ.




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So what he has a trust fund. So what he comes from money, I certainly wouldn't turn down the opportunities given. As long as he isn't affecting anyone else, who cares.


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TheSelectFew wrote:
So what he has a trust fund. So what he comes from money, I certainly wouldn't turn down the opportunities given. As long as he isn't affecting anyone else, who cares.


This, it's not like inheriting money makes him a bad person.

I am still firmly on the chump side though, if he really lived up his persona, he would be doing the same things as he does and not posting online constantly. I don't really care what he does, it's a free world, I just think he's a knob.

Edited by Jon90: 22/8/2014 03:08:35 PM
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He is one funny bastard. Anyone seen the letter his solicitors sent back to the porn star that tried to sue him? Funny as hell
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Won't lie, I have been very jealous of many, many of his photos.

His whole gun obsession I don't really relate to, but I just put that down to 'Murica.

But the women, the wealth, the toys, etc - I wouldn't give a fxxx how I obtained that money (unless it was stupidly illegal), I'd be a freaking happy man too.
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pv4 wrote:
Won't lie, I have been very jealous of many, many of his photos.

His whole gun obsession I don't really relate to, but I just put that down to 'Murica.

But the women, the wealth, the toys, etc - I wouldn't give a fxxx how I obtained that money (unless it was stupidly illegal), I'd be a freaking happy man too.

I find it funny how some posters on here think its a big deal how he got his money. Its a bit like if someone who was born into the British Royal Family and jealous people expecting them to relinquish their lifestyle and live a normal life and work a 9-5 day job....pft!!...as if they would do the same themselves.

Like I said, I don't have the same lifestyle as he does and Im like the average joe, but I certainly wouldn't hate on him for the lifestyle he has.

Edited by SocaWho: 22/8/2014 04:50:39 PM
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Why the hate for trust fund kids?
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TheSelectFew wrote:
So what he has a trust fund. So what he comes from money, I certainly wouldn't turn down the opportunities given. As long as he isn't affecting anyone else, who cares.

This is probably the first time Ive agreed with you on anything.:lol:
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DinosMum wrote:
He is one funny bastard. Anyone seen the letter his solicitors sent back to the porn star that tried to sue him? Funny as hell

Is that the one where the porn star jumped off the roof and broke her leg and blamed him for pushing her. lol
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Eastern Glory wrote:
Why the hate for trust fund kids?

Yep.
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afromanGT wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Shame he has no skills in the real world.

-PB


Why would he need them ? Hes already got 10's of millions in the bank. He can pay someone to do it

Plus he was a day from graduating to be a US Navy Seal before being kicked out.
I'd say that more than qualifies him to have skills in the real world.

I'm not sure what every day activity learning how to rappel from a helicopter onto the deck of a moving ship prepares you for.

Furthermore, the guy's entire life is one big elaborate story, do you really think he was in the navy seals? They don't exactly give you a discharge a day before graduation into the elite branch of the US armed forces.

He didn't make the Navy Seals because he didn't graduate. I think someone would have called him out already for being a fraud and making up the story of going through the Navy Seal process...so far the story seems legit.
I've never been in the Army, but Im pretty sure Army skills equates to real world skills in the sense that you learn discipline, you learn how to work in a team, you obey orders, you know how to think on your feet in dangerous situations. I think it would be more life experience that working a 9-5 desk job. Being in the Army can probably enhance your job prospects too. I used to have a friend in high school who was a real smartass prick and when he left school he joined the army for 7 years. I didn't see him for 6 years until ANZAC day and caught up for beers with him, and he seemed more mature and had a better appreciation for life based on some bad shit he saw whilst he was peacekeeping somewhere. Im not saying I would join the Army, but Im convinced that it would give you life experience both good and bad.

Edited by SocaWho: 22/8/2014 04:48:38 PM
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Eastern Glory wrote:
Why the hate for trust fund kids?


Jealousy
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He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

So....you.

It's possible to spend money on exotic frivolities and not come across as a giant ass douche. He could at least be slightly philanthropic. Instead his greatest 'charity' is testifying on behalf of athletes accused of illegal gambling.
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afromanGT wrote:
marconi101 wrote:
He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

So....you.



He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.

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You can tell who is his target market is by amount of people who are bigging him in here . Look I don't care how he made he's money , more power to the bloke but like afro said he can go about it in different ways .
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afromanGT wrote:
marconi101 wrote:
He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

So....you.

It's possible to spend money on exotic frivolities and not come across as a giant ass douche. He could at least be slightly philanthropic. Instead his greatest 'charity' is testifying on behalf of athletes accused of illegal gambling.


And there it is, I was waiting for someone to say that.

Its not rich peoples responsibility to feed hungry Africans.

And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.
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Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.
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Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.

:lol: how old are you be? You have a weird way of looking into things .
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Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.

When you're a little bit older you'll understand why people are taxed the way they are.
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Seem the stuff his done he clearly wants attention from the social media outlets and wants to show off his wealth to show everyone he's got it all. Just ignore him IHMO.

Today you can get famous virtually by doing nothing unless you have wealth to show it off. The bad effects of social media in todays world.
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u4486662 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.

When you're a little bit older you'll understand why people are taxed the way they are.


It would be quicker if you tell me now :)
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Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.


When you grow up or gain the most basic understanding of how macroeconomics or tax policy works, you'll understand that what you've just said is complete and utter shit.

Viennese Vuck

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melbourne_terrace wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.


When you grow up or gain the most basic understanding of how macroeconomics or tax policy works, you'll understand that what you've just said is complete and utter shit.





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u4486662 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.

When you're a little bit older you'll understand why people are taxed the way they are.

Going by that response I think you're being a bit optimistic...

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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Pretty sure Roar #1 has been watching some ancap youtubers
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notorganic wrote:
Pretty sure Roar #1 has been watching some ancap youtubers


http://www.ancap.com.au

:-k
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anarcho-capitalism
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notorganic wrote:
anarcho-capitalism


Never heard of it.
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notorganic wrote:
Pretty sure Roar #1 has been watching some ancap youtubers


Nah think he's just young lol.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....


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He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

So....you.

It's possible to spend money on exotic frivolities and not come across as a giant ass douche. He could at least be slightly philanthropic. Instead his greatest 'charity' is testifying on behalf of athletes accused of illegal gambling.


And there it is, I was waiting for someone to say that.

Its not rich peoples responsibility to feed hungry Africans.

And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



First and foremost, that attitude is the realm of the selfish asshole. If everyone took that approach nothing would get done. If you've come into copious money through whatever means, it's only right to pay it forward and help someone less fortunate than you lest the shoe be on the other foot and you find yourself in need of charity. Y'know, not everything in the bible is shite - the whole "do unto others" thing actually has some merit.

That aside, if you're in a position where you can make the world around you a better place and you instead frivolously spend money on your own indulgences then you're not cool, you're just a selfish asshole. Don't get me wrong, if anyone on here had access to that kind of money and said that they wouldn't afford themselves similar indulgences at least to some extent then they're a liar. But not once have you heard about Bilzerian being a nice bloke, being charitable or helping out someone in a way that didn't enhance his own personal perception of his 'bad ass' imagery (such as testifying that he was at an illegal poker game that Alex Rodriguez was accused of being involved in, and that A-Rod wasn't there).

Now let's look at the tax thing and why rich people pay more: Simply, this country needs taxes to run, to build and maintain infrastructure and to function on a basic level. A person who is rich takes advantage said infrastructure more than a person of lower economic status to maintain their fortune. Be it their subordinates using roads or public transport, they themselves using internet and telecommunications, the emergency services which they rely on to protect their property, or the indulgences they enjoy like corporate boxes at sporting events or the hospitals patch-working together the plastic face of their third wife (and let's not get started on their use of the legal system). This is the "trickle-up effect" - the opposite of the moronic fantasy "trickle down economics" that idiot Republicans believe in.
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afromanGT wrote:
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afromanGT wrote:
marconi101 wrote:
He appeals to the insecure social media anti-hipster hipsters who got their dick sucked once and then conveniently 'didn't give a fuck'

So....you.

It's possible to spend money on exotic frivolities and not come across as a giant ass douche. He could at least be slightly philanthropic. Instead his greatest 'charity' is testifying on behalf of athletes accused of illegal gambling.


And there it is, I was waiting for someone to say that.

Its not rich peoples responsibility to feed hungry Africans.

And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.



First and foremost, that attitude is the realm of the selfish asshole. If everyone took that approach nothing would get done. If you've come into copious money through whatever means, it's only right to pay it forward and help someone less fortunate than you lest the shoe be on the other foot and you find yourself in need of charity. Y'know, not everything in the bible is shite - the whole "do unto others" thing actually has some merit.

That aside, if you're in a position where you can make the world around you a better place and you instead frivolously spend money on your own indulgences then you're not cool, you're just a selfish asshole. Don't get me wrong, if anyone on here had access to that kind of money and said that they wouldn't afford themselves similar indulgences at least to some extent then they're a liar. But not once have you heard about Bilzerian being a nice bloke, being charitable or helping out someone in a way that didn't enhance his own personal perception of his 'bad ass' imagery (such as testifying that he was at an illegal poker game that Alex Rodriguez was accused of being involved in, and that A-Rod wasn't there).

Now let's look at the tax thing and why rich people pay more: Simply, this country needs taxes to run, to build and maintain infrastructure and to function on a basic level. A person who is rich takes advantage said infrastructure more than a person of lower economic status to maintain their fortune. Be it their subordinates using roads or public transport, they themselves using internet and telecommunications, the emergency services which they rely on to protect their property, or the indulgences they enjoy like corporate boxes at sporting events or the hospitals patch-working together the plastic face of their third wife (and let's not get started on their use of the legal system). This is the "trickle-up effect" - the opposite of the moronic fantasy "trickle down economics" that idiot Republicans believe in.

At the end of the day it all comes down to what that person with wealth chooses do with it. Philantropy or non philanthropy. I agree taxes are needed. But its not other peoples business to tell them what they should be doing with their money...if it was then I'd give them my account details. :lol:
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At the end of the day it all comes down to what that person with wealth chooses do with it. Philantropy or non philanthropy. I agree taxes are needed. But its not other peoples business to tell them what they should be doing with their money...if it was then I'd give them my account details. :lol:

True. It's his money to do with what he sees fit. You can't argue with that.

But at the end of the day you've got a guy who isn't famous for anything he's achieved (I don't know when dropping out of SEAL training the day before you graduate became something to boast about), isn't famous for generosity, philanthropy or venture capitalism (despite what his business cards and online boasts might tell you). He's famous for nothing more than wishing he was Hugh Heffner on social media. So what it comes down to is that he's famous for being famous, a frivolous narcissist - he's the male version of Kim Kardashian and society is worse off for giving these kind of people the time of day.

EDIT: Pro Tip: SEAL training is 30 months. If you're actively kicked out 908 days into a 910 day training course, you're not receiving an 'honourable discharge'.

Edited by afromanGT: 23/8/2014 01:28:12 PM
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afromanGT wrote:
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At the end of the day it all comes down to what that person with wealth chooses do with it. Philantropy or non philanthropy. I agree taxes are needed. But its not other peoples business to tell them what they should be doing with their money...if it was then I'd give them my account details. :lol:

True. It's his money to do with what he sees fit. You can't argue with that.

But at the end of the day you've got a guy who isn't famous for anything he's achieved (I don't know when dropping out of SEAL training the day before you graduate became something to boast about), isn't famous for generosity, philanthropy or venture capitalism (despite what his business cards and online boasts might tell you). He's famous for nothing more than wishing he was Hugh Heffner on social media. So what it comes down to is that he's famous for being famous, a frivolous narcissist - he's the male version of Kim Kardashian and society is worse off for giving these kind of people the time of day.

EDIT: Pro Tip: SEAL training is 30 months. If you're actively kicked out 908 days into a 910 day training course, you're not receiving an 'honourable discharge'.

Edited by afromanGT: 23/8/2014 01:28:12 PM

Sure they don't make good role models, but they've made an outlet for themselves to make themselves a quid without having to resort to crime. The thing with Kardashian / Blizarain is that they continue to plough through the hate by making more money for themselves.
Kardashian could have been just plain old Kim who goes to church every sunday and works as a checkout chick...but at the end of the day is she happy with her life?
So instead she whores herself on social media and makes a ton of money and lives a lifestyle that she's happy with. Im of the belief that for some people money makes people happy and for some it doesn't, but its better to be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy.
I think its a tough world out there and if its her way of making a living then so be it. Not everyone one is blessed with the brain of a Warren Buffet / Donald Trump to do business the way they do and people need to do whatever it takes to make ends meet.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 01:47:40 PM
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Like I said, it's a self-centered attitude. The issue I have with them is that they make no contribution to society and are still idolised. Their self-indulgent narcissism is what society looks up to, and it manifests itself in their day-to-day lives creating a generation of morally repugnant drones attempting to apply their "king shit, got it all" attitudes to their lifestyles and living beyond their means. These people who got rich off their parents and have no idea the value of a dollar set the example and are what people aspire to, except 99.99% of society have to work hard to earn a basic living, let alone attaining greater prosperity.

So if we turn our attention to that for a moment, you wonder why there's financial collapses when you've got people buying $2k pairs of shoes that they didn't even know they needed until Kim Kardashian had them, on the credit card they can't afford to repay. In Bilzerian's case it's probably a jetski or something unfathomably more absurd.
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What afro said . We as a society have become vapid . We idolize the morons who do absolutely nothing .
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In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?
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Please tell me Roar #1 is below voting age :lol:

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Like I said, it's a self-centered attitude. The issue I have with them is that they make no contribution to society and are still idolised. Their self-indulgent narcissism is what society looks up to, and it manifests itself in their day-to-day lives creating a generation of morally repugnant drones attempting to apply their "king shit, got it all" attitudes to their lifestyles and living beyond their means. These people who got rich off their parents and have no idea the value of a dollar set the example and are what people aspire to, except 99.99% of society have to work hard to earn a basic living, let alone attaining greater prosperity.

So if we turn our attention to that for a moment, you wonder why there's financial collapses when you've got people buying $2k pairs of shoes that they didn't even know they needed until Kim Kardashian had them, on the credit card they can't afford to repay. In Bilzerian's case it's probably a jetski or something unfathomably more absurd.

Its the human race, not everyone thinks alike and the same way you do....I can assure you if you did the people like Blizarain and Kardashian would have crawled back under a rock a long time ago. It's a supply and demand concept. These personalities have an audience. Its like a TV channel , if you don't like the show then switch the channel People choose to embrace or not embrace their sense of lifestyle...its a sense of freedom that allows choice. Sure its not everyones cup of tea but having the choice to do so is liberating. I really don't want to drag religion into this but what about the Catholic faith? They try to preach moral values yet some of those in the hierarchy contradict their own code with what goes on in the child abuse cases....yet they paint a 'holier than thou' of themselves when really actions speak louder than words. Sure a set moral standard is required in society but in my view , as long as they don't break the law and they can make a living out of what they are doing then its ok. They've managed to create a brand for themselves that is embraced by an audience and that gives them potential for a revenue stream.
As for the drones you speak about, its whether they are smart enough to separate fantasy from reality...a bit like someone who watches a movie who either aspires to be someone in that movie or just watches it to relax and wind down after a week of work.
At the end of the day people have their own role models....and its not up to you or me or anyone to make that decision for them who it is regardless of whether they are good or bad. People make their own choices, you can't dictate to people what you think is acceptable and what isn't. You certainly wouldn't like it if I said that everything you said doesn't fit my criteria for what I think is morally acceptable for society. I certainly am not questioning you per se, but Im happy that people are making money, finding a niche to make money (even if its non productive), having freedom to express themselves and having the courage to put themselves in the firing line of would be do gooders. And by do gooders, Im referring to is the Church , Cult or any religious formation that might have their own dirty laundry whilst talking the talk and not walking the walk.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:08:54 PM
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In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.
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afromanGT wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.


Even before they became famous, Kim was very well known in the Hollywood party scene. She was best friends with Paris Hilton at her peak. She was already mixing with celebs .

I'm not sure of the timing of things but I think the tv show probably would have happened anyway regardless of the sex tape. Kim's mother is a marketing genius and a very smart business women, I'm sure she was looking into a tv show anyway to capitalize on Kims growing popularity in Hollywood.


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Roar #1 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.


Even before they became famous, Kim was very well known in the Hollywood party scene. She was best friends with Paris Hilton at her peak. She was already mixing with celebs .

I'm not sure of the timing of things but I think the tv show probably would have happened anyway regardless of the sex tape. Kim's mother is a marketing genius and a very smart business women, I'm sure she was looking into a tv show anyway to capitalize on Kims growing popularity in Hollywood.


I agree. I think a lot of people don't realise that people like 'Kardashian ' are not doing what they are doing purely for attention seeking reasons....its primarily so they can put food on the table for themselves and live the lifestyle they want to live.
There's a difference between "liking" someone for what they do and "respecting" someone for what they do.
I personally don't like her but she couldn't give a toss about people like you and me, but I give her credit and respect her for being able to create a brand for herself and tapping into a market in which she's able to capitalise on.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:14:21 PM
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SocaWho wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.


Even before they became famous, Kim was very well known in the Hollywood party scene. She was best friends with Paris Hilton at her peak. She was already mixing with celebs .

I'm not sure of the timing of things but I think the tv show probably would have happened anyway regardless of the sex tape. Kim's mother is a marketing genius and a very smart business women, I'm sure she was looking into a tv show anyway to capitalize on Kims growing popularity in Hollywood.


I agree. I think a lot of people don't realise that people like 'Kardashian ' are not doing what they are doing purely for attention seeking reasons....its primarily so they can put food on the table for themselves and live the lifestyle they want to live.
There's a difference between "liking" someone for what they do and "respecting" someone for what they do.
I personally don't like her but she couldn't give a toss about people like you and me, but I give her credit and respect her for being able to create a brand for herself and tapping into a market in which she's able to capitalise on.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:14:21 PM


Yep. She didn't become as rich and famous as she is by fluke or luck, a lot of people have tried before and after her without the success she has had. Their mother I believe has a lot to do with it, as I said before, but that's not the only reason. I rank Kris Jenner and Scooter Braun ( Justin Bieber's manager) as 2 of the best marketing brains out there. They are leaders in their field.

If the sex tape was what made her so famous, why is it that I can't name one porn star ? And why aren't porn stars house hold names?
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The bloke cares way to much about what people think about him to claim that he doesn't give a fuck.

The only reason Kim Kardashian still has any relevance is because she married Kanye. She wouldn't even be the most famous of the sisters today if she hadn't. Look at Paris Hilton, she had a sext tape and a successful tv show but the majority of teenagers today would have no fucking idea who she is. Talentless fame doesn't last, and Blizerian will end up in this group
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The bloke cares way to much about what people think about him to claim that he doesn't give a fuck.

The only reason Kim Kardashian still has any relevance is because she married Kanye. She wouldn't even be the most famous of the sisters today if she hadn't. Look at Paris Hilton, she had a sext tape and a successful tv show but the majority of teenagers today would have no fucking idea who she is. Talentless fame doesn't last, and Blizerian will end up in this group


But how long can you expect something like this to last? The kardashians are up to season 9 of their tv show. That's a lot longer then a lot of other tv shows.

And Kim is still very much the leader of the family, but Kendall and Kylie are starting to attract a lot of attention for themselves and will inevitably take the reins of the family empire.

I think we will be hearing the Kardashian name for many years to come with Kylie taking most of the attention I believe, she is the wilder one, she just celebrated her 17th birthday with Tyga, Chris Brown, Justin Bieber, The Game, Jaden Smith so with a girl hanging around with guys like that, there is bound to be a scandal in the horizon :d
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Roar #1 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....



There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.


Even before they became famous, Kim was very well known in the Hollywood party scene. She was best friends with Paris Hilton at her peak. She was already mixing with celebs .

I'm not sure of the timing of things but I think the tv show probably would have happened anyway regardless of the sex tape. Kim's mother is a marketing genius and a very smart business women, I'm sure she was looking into a tv show anyway to capitalize on Kims growing popularity in Hollywood.


I agree. I think a lot of people don't realise that people like 'Kardashian ' are not doing what they are doing purely for attention seeking reasons....its primarily so they can put food on the table for themselves and live the lifestyle they want to live.
There's a difference between "liking" someone for what they do and "respecting" someone for what they do.
I personally don't like her but she couldn't give a toss about people like you and me, but I give her credit and respect her for being able to create a brand for herself and tapping into a market in which she's able to capitalise on.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:14:21 PM


Yep. She didn't become as rich and famous as she is by fluke or luck, a lot of people have tried before and after her without the success she has had. Their mother I believe has a lot to do with it, as I said before, but that's not the only reason. I rank Kris Jenner and Scooter Braun ( Justin Bieber's manager) as 2 of the best marketing brains out there. They are leaders in their field.

If the sex tape was what made her so famous, why is it that I can't name one porn star ? And why aren't porn stars house hold names?

Its the reality and the signs of the times. Its 'new generation' thinking. I might not agree with it since, Im part of the older generation (i.e. in my 30s) but the results are telling. These people know how to tap into an audience and capitalise on it. If theres demand and the supply can cater for it then it can work. But that doesn't mean I don't have respect for the older crew. Warren Buffett is one of my greatest role models through his philanthropy work, but that doesn't mean I hate on him because he's filthy rich and just because he doesn't want to send some of his money my way. As for KK and Blizarian , at least they are out there having a crack and giving things a go. I have more respect for them than the dole bludger who refuses to get a job and surfs all day or the guy that has to rob a bank to steal.

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Intelligent well educated young people have little interest in aspiring to be a talentless pseudo celebrity like Kim Kardashian. These people more often than not end up in tertiary education and become a successful key member of society.

The reason why this shallow rubbish is a problem, is because the vast majority of society is made up of vacuous working class airheads, whose ultimate job in society is to work menial working class roles and watch TV shows like "The Voice"

In the past, these youngsters looked up to their parents, teachers, sporting coaches, grandparents etc, where an "honest hard-working living" was instilled into them from a young age.

Now they look up to people who perpetuate a shallow existence, and are thus being exposed to bad role models. This is not solely the fault of Kim Kardashian or Dan Blizerian in a similar way that McDonald's is not solely responsible for the obesity epidemic. It is what it is and its a problem for society though.
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Intelligent well educated young people have little interest in aspiring to be a talentless pseudo celebrity like Kim Kardashian. These people more often than not end up in tertiary education and become a successful key member of society.

The reason why this shallow rubbish is a problem, is because the vast majority of society is made up of vacuous working class airheads, whose ultimate job in society is to work menial working class roles and watch TV shows like "The Voice"

In the past, these youngsters looked up to their parents, teachers, sporting coaches, grandparents etc, where an "honest hard-working living" was instilled into them from a young age.

Now they look up to people who perpetuate a shallow existence, and are thus being exposed to bad role models. This is not solely the fault of Kim Kardashian or Dan Blizerian in a similar way that McDonald's is not solely responsible for the obesity epidemic. It is what it is and its a problem for society though.


The art of parenting seems to have gone out the window which leads kids to look for other role models. The Improvement in technology and social media also has a role to play. Im sure a large percentage of parents have no idea of the things their kids are doing, and the parents who think their 14 yr old little girl is an angel are the ones who are the furthest from the truth :lol:

sadly it seems in todays world its acceptable for a 14 years olds birthday party to include a couple of cartons of cruisers and bottles of vodka. And you cant tell me the parents dont know.
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Roar #1 wrote:
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Intelligent well educated young people have little interest in aspiring to be a talentless pseudo celebrity like Kim Kardashian. These people more often than not end up in tertiary education and become a successful key member of society.

The reason why this shallow rubbish is a problem, is because the vast majority of society is made up of vacuous working class airheads, whose ultimate job in society is to work menial working class roles and watch TV shows like "The Voice"

In the past, these youngsters looked up to their parents, teachers, sporting coaches, grandparents etc, where an "honest hard-working living" was instilled into them from a young age.

Now they look up to people who perpetuate a shallow existence, and are thus being exposed to bad role models. This is not solely the fault of Kim Kardashian or Dan Blizerian in a similar way that McDonald's is not solely responsible for the obesity epidemic. It is what it is and its a problem for society though.


The art of parenting seems to have gone out the window which leads kids to look for other role models. The Improvement in technology and social media also has a role to play. Im sure a large percentage of parents have no idea of the things their kids are doing, and the parents who think their 14 yr old little girl is an angel are the ones who are the furthest from the truth :lol:

sadly it seems in todays world its acceptable for a 14 years olds birthday party to include a couple of cartons of cruisers and bottles of vodka. And you cant tell me the parents dont know.

The art of parenting has gone out of the window partly and mainly because divorce is so common so kids look for other role models to look up to. For example look at Eminem. I beg to differ that a lot of younger people use him as a role model not because he raps about bad stuff but because he relates to them on their level that they might have gone through a bad childhood, lived as a houso, always changing schools, having a single parent raised them, etc. He might not be the best role model, but to a lot of youth today I believe he's a working class hero to them. And look at him now, he just witnessed his daughter graduate high school with high grades and he provided the best environment for her to flourish.
KK might be famous for doing nothing, but she went from being nobody to somebody.
For example someone wanted her name put on the title of some app that they made...and look what happens...that app is in the top 10 charts. That is the power of branding.
I think its a shallow and cutthroat world nowadays. Its sad I know. But the reality is, theres a demographic of people who view success as being rich, making lots of money, making themselves look buff or hot,etc....not necessarily as being a good role model, model citizen, work a normal job and do good deeds.
Its a society thing. Not one that I agree with, but its the reality and for some people its about survival and they don't have time to be all high and mighty about living a lifestyle that doesn't represent the view of the average common people.

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Have been laughing my arse off for a good 10 minutes now reading these responses :lol:

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the chicks fuck him cause of his money and he brags about it. He is a tool
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the chicks fuck him cause of his money and he brags about it. He is a tool


The thing is, this is his 'brand' now. Somewhere along the way he tapped into the teen boy fantasy market and is becoming its poster boy.

He is effectively becoming the male Paris Hilton, and he will make truckloads of money from this image.
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Have been laughing my arse off for a good 10 minutes now reading these responses :lol:

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And over such a seemingly innocent question
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Hey any thing socawho and or wamackie start a post people will hate .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Hey some things socawho and or wamackie start a post people will hate .

Fixed.

Coming from the guy who is the Master of Sanctimony in 442.:lol:

And thinks that its his way or the highway.:roll:

Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 08:41:10 PM
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Socawho: Troll or legit bad poster?

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Socawho: Troll or legit bad poster?


Life's great mystery.
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This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

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General Ashnak wrote:
This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Absolutely :lol:
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General Ashnak wrote:
This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.
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This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12

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GabMVFC wrote:
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This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12

Aren't you 17?
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Eastern Glory wrote:
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This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12

Aren't you 17?

Troled.

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GabMVFC wrote:
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GabMVFC wrote:
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General Ashnak wrote:
This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12

Aren't you 17?

Troled.

Aaaaaand that's a wrap.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
GabMVFC wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
GabMVFC wrote:
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General Ashnak wrote:
This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12

Aren't you 17?

Troled.

Aaaaaand that's a crap.

hee hee #justtwelveythings

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GabMVFC wrote:
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General Ashnak wrote:
This thread has been a great relative age/maturity test for the forum haha

Yes.

I'm 12


Wanna meet up ;)
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SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Hey some things socawho and or wamackie start a post people will hate .

Fixed.

Coming from the guy who is the Master of Sanctimony in 442.:lol:

And thinks that its his way or the highway.:roll:

Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 08:41:10 PM

:lol: socawho trying to troll me ? :lol: that's funny . What's next your top 3 ..oh wait
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Also it ain't my way or the highway . I'm just sick of idiots like you who idolize idiots like zzyz, sharky, chest brah and bilzerian . But you're in their target market of course you love them because you want to live a vapid lifestyle
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Also it ain't my way or the highway . I'm just sick of idiots like you who idolize idiots like zzyz, sharky, chest brah and bilzerian . But you're in their target market of course you love them because you want to live a vapid lifestyle

You just oxymoroned yourself big time....and the sad thing is you didn't even know it.#-o

And since when did I say I idolise any of these guys. ...and when did I ever mention zzyz, sharky or anyone aside from Blizarian or Kardashian. All I said was I respect Blizarian and KK for making a quid and having the balls to do it the way they've done. But you're too stupid to separate the difference between idolising and respect so you can wear that dunce cap that fits your head. Read a dictionary and see what defines "respect" and "idolising" because you're too dumb to work out what they both mean.

Start back from page 1 and start again or did you not learn to read...otherwise its not too late to start matriculation.

Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 11:33:47 PM

Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 11:34:33 PM
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Go and get fucked you dumb fuck . I don't need to deal with childish fucks like you . Try being an adult . Oh wait you want that celeb lifestyle
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Go and get fucked you dumb fuck . I don't need to deal with childish fucks like you . Try being an adult . Oh wait you want that celeb lifestyle

You just got mad and lost the argument. Back to school for you :d .
You couldn't even back up your statement so you had to swear at me....you couldn't even rationalise an argument. Your easy pickings.

Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 11:37:18 PM
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Also it ain't my way or the highway . I'm just sick of idiots like you who idolize idiots like zzyz, sharky, chest brah and bilzerian . But you're in their target market of course you love them because you want to live a vapid lifestyle


Who the fuck is zyzz, sharky and chest brah? :lol:
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SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Go and get fucked you dumb fuck . I don't need to deal with childish fucks like you . Try being an adult . Oh wait you want that celeb lifestyle

You just got mad and lost the argument. Back to school for you :d .

I'm thirty with two kids and a wife and own a house . What do you have ?? Ah that's right kim k and Dan bilzerian good job .

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 24/8/2014 11:37:31 PM

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 24/8/2014 11:37:50 PM
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Also it ain't my way or the highway . I'm just sick of idiots like you who idolize idiots like zzyz, sharky, chest brah and bilzerian . But you're in their target market of course you love them because you want to live a vapid lifestyle


Who the fuck is zyzz, sharky and chest brah? :lol:

I haven't even heard of these guys until MVCArsenal is saying I idolise them. How can I idolise someone I haven't heard of? Stupid fuck. :lol:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Go and get fucked you dumb fuck . I don't need to deal with childish fucks like you . Try being an adult . Oh wait you want that celeb lifestyle

You just got mad and lost the argument. Back to school for you :d .

I'm thirty with two kids and a wife and own a house . What do you have ?? Ah that's right kim k and Dan bilzerian good job .

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 24/8/2014 11:37:31 PM

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 24/8/2014 11:37:50 PM

Why does it even matter. :roll:

Its not even worth getting worked up over something like this. Why bother?



Edited by SocaWho: 24/8/2014 11:42:38 PM
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Because you insinuated I need to go back to school . Go out in the real world .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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Go and get fucked you dumb fuck . I don't need to deal with childish fucks like you . Try being an adult . Oh wait you want that celeb lifestyle

You just got mad and lost the argument. Back to school for you :d .

I'm thirty with two kids and a wife and own a house . What do you have ?? Ah that's right kim k and Dan bilzerian good job .

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I have 2 of my own who I want someday
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Because you insinuated I need to go back to school . Go out in the real world .

I will say this...if you want to give it....learn to take it.
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .
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SocaWho wrote:
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Because you insinuated I need to go back to school . Go out in the real world .

I will say this...if you want to give it....learn to take it.

Learn to take it ? Learn how to how to stop making shit threads
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .

When did I ever say this...again you miss the point.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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Because you insinuated I need to go back to school . Go out in the real world .

I will say this...if you want to give it....learn to take it.

Learn to take it ? Learn how to how to stop making shit threads

Whats to stop me from making threads just because you don't like it.
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SocaWho wrote:
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .

When did I ever say this...again you miss the point.

This was for roar#1
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.
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SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Because you insinuated I need to go back to school . Go out in the real world .

I will say this...if you want to give it....learn to take it.

Learn to take it ? Learn how to how to stop making shit threads

Whats to stop me from making threads just because you don't like it.

Joffa . And the mod team .
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Roar #1 wrote:
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??


Yes, it's just a bigger value then the average person would work with.
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Roar #1 wrote:
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

And whose to say you can't educate your own kids the value of money whilst at the same time setting them up for life with a trust fund. MVCArsenal has this stupid perception that all trust fund babies are spoilt rotten and don't know the value of money. Maybe he should look at Donald Trump's kids as no better example of trust fund kids who work hard and KNOW then value of the dollar.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.

Thats the point MVCArsenal is missing...he assumes people who give their kids any large inheritance works out for the worse than for the better. Totally blind thinking. Sure there are examples of some who have fallen down the wayside such as Neville Wran's daughter, but you know what I'd rather die knowing my kids had a roof and food on the table than to be dirt poor and not having somewhere to sleep.

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 12:04:28 AM
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I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.
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Roar #1 wrote:
[quote=MvFCArsenal16.8]You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 25/8/2014 12:05:52 AM
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Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM
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notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

At the end of the day it comes down to the parenting...not the amount of wealth that one has that can attribute to the kids possible demise. Which you've demonstrated here.
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notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.
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Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM

In a very selfish way it is frustrating, but it's what he's worked for and he has every right to do with it what he wills and I know giving money to those who need it beings him endless joy.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.


Maybe on her wedding day would be better? Giving her money at 21 might give her an excuse to not push herself in her career.
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SocaWho wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.

Thats the point MVCArsenal is missing...he assumes people who give their kids any large inheritance works out for the worse than for the better. Totally blind thinking. Sure there are examples of some who have fallen down the wayside such as Neville Wran's daughter, but you know what I'd rather die knowing my kids had a roof and food on the table than to be dirt poor and not having somewhere to sleep.

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 12:04:28 AM

Did I say dirt poor? Ffs I want my kids to learn the value of hard work .to earn money and not treat money as like there's no tomorrow
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Eastern Glory wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM

In a very selfish way it is frustrating, but it's what he's worked for and he has every right to do with it what he wills and I know giving money to those who need it beings him endless joy.

Spare a thought for Warren Buffet's kids.

He plans on giving them nothing at all. :lol:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.

Thats the point MVCArsenal is missing...he assumes people who give their kids any large inheritance works out for the worse than for the better. Totally blind thinking. Sure there are examples of some who have fallen down the wayside such as Neville Wran's daughter, but you know what I'd rather die knowing my kids had a roof and food on the table than to be dirt poor and not having somewhere to sleep.

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 12:04:28 AM

Did I say dirt poor? Ffs I want my kids to learn the value of hard work .to earn money and not treat money as like there's no tomorrow

Don't we all, but there's certainly a way to do both, let me assure you of that.
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Look I hate trust fund kids . I've known plenty in my time and they made my life miserable . They are now working in dead end jobs because mum and dad said enough mooching and start working . These guys are in their forties ffs
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Roar #1 wrote:
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I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.


Maybe on her wedding day would be better? Giving her money at 21 might give her an excuse to not push herself in her career.

Then she'd have to get married, and some poor bloke would have the frightening task of having Notor as a father in law ;)
Yeah, I'm not saying I know the right time, I'd just love to know his thought process behind choosing 21, or if it's something he hasn't given much thought to yet.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Look I hate trust fund kids . I've known plenty in my time and they made my life miserable . They are now working in dead end jobs because mum and dad said enough mooching and start working . These guys are in their forties ffs

Blame the parents and not the amount of money they have. These are two different things.

And what about the people who blows all their money on gambling or drugs and don't have enough money to put food on the table for their family? These people are much worse than the ones setting up their kids for life with a trust fund.

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 12:21:34 AM
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Look I hate trust fund kids . I've known plenty in my time and they made my life miserable . They are now working in dead end jobs because mum and dad said enough mooching and start working . These guys are in their forties ffs

Yeah fair enough we all have our different experiences with different sorts of people. I think it's a shame when people let money rule their lives. The way I see it, the more you worry about controlling your money, the more money controls you.
It's not easy to balance it out, but I'm super lucky to have a fantastic example for this.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM

In a very selfish way it is frustrating, but it's what he's worked for and he has every right to do with it what he wills and I know giving money to those who need it beings him endless joy.


It's not that he doesn't spend it, we've done our fair share of traveling, but he is definitely somebody who likes having money in the bank, don't know what's he's saving for though
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Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM

In a very selfish way it is frustrating, but it's what he's worked for and he has every right to do with it what he wills and I know giving money to those who need it beings him endless joy.


It's not that he doesn't spend it, we've done our fair share of traveling, but he is definitely somebody who likes having money in the bank, don't know what's he's saving for though

For a rainy day . One day he could lose it all and have nothing . So he keeps in the Bank to one day maybe you can have it

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 25/8/2014 12:22:51 AM
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You want your kids to become self obsessed ? And trust fund kids? That's gonna end up either your kids not knowing the value of hard work and the dollar and they end up hating you .


If this is in reference to my comment, I was making a "the office" reference, it was one of Steve Carrells many great one liners :lol:

And TBH id love for my kids to be trust fund babies. because it would mean I've accomplished my goals and made a shit load of money.

Again does that teach them the value of mo eg??

That comes down to parenting and setting an example of how to use money. I'm lucky enough to have an old man who sets an unreal example money wise. He's worked his arse off for 30 years and has made a hell of a lot of money, but he doesn't care about it. Gives a huge percentage of it away and chooses not to live lavishly. Modest home, modest suburb, modest cars ect. I know I'll never make anything close to what he has (a teacher compared to a high level exec) but at least I know how to treat money should I unexpectedly have money in the future.


I'm in the relatively same position, and tbh if my dad gave what he has away I'd be pissed :lol:

Edited by roar #1 : 25/8/2014 12:04:56 AM

In a very selfish way it is frustrating, but it's what he's worked for and he has every right to do with it what he wills and I know giving money to those who need it beings him endless joy.


It's not that he doesn't spend it, we've done our fair share of traveling, but he is definitely somebody who likes having money in the bank, don't know what's he's saving for though

For a rainy day . One day he could lose it all and gave nothing . So he keeps in the Bak to one day maybe you can have it


I know but at some point, very soon he could afford to not worry about the rainy day and just live now. And I can't see a scenario where he would loose it all. He could afford to retire tomorrow and still maintain his current lifestyle.
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That's the problem of the youth today . Live now forget tomorrow .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
That's the problem of the youth today . Live now forget tomorrow .

Bit harsh mate :lol:
He's talking about a situation he knows well and none of us know at all...
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
That's the problem of the youth today . Live now forget tomorrow .


What's wrong with that? He could lose it all tomorrow (which could only happen if he literally bet the house on something) and within another year of working could have more in the bank then a lot of people.

My way of seeing it is he could be hit by a bus next week and all of that saving would have been for nothing.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
That's the problem of the youth today . Live now forget tomorrow .


And personally, I live so far from that thinking it's not funny :lol: I don't drink alcohol, don't hook up with randoms, have never got into a fight with a guy who looked at me the wrong way, I don't speed in my car. And by that description some would say a boring life :lol: but ive done a lot of things people my age haven't so it balances out
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Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.


I think 21 is right in terms of age/experience. 18 is too young, because all she will have experienced at that stage is school.

I may revise to be until after she has finished uni if that's the way she chooses to go.

As for some poor bloke having me as a father in law, it may be some poor lass instead.
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notorganic wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.


I think 21 is right in terms of age/experience. 18 is too young, because all she will have experienced at that stage is school.

I may revise to be until after she has finished uni if that's the way she chooses to go.

As for some poor bloke having me as a father in law, it may be some poor lass instead.


Is your daughter's boyfriend called Greg? :lol:

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 11:37:36 AM
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Don't think notor ' s daughter is going to date for a while :lol:
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notorganic wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I plan on giving my daughter a significant chunk of money via trust on her 21st birthday, or split evenly if we end up with more kids.

My job is to keep it a secret from her until then, grow it as much as possible, and teach her how not to be a vapid shitkunt of a human being so that she doesn't become the next Paris Hilton.

Out of interest, why 21st?
As a 21 year old, I know I'd love to have a chunk of inheritance now, but when I have time to think about it, I realise I'd be better off with money later when I've had a bit more time to sort out the course of my life in terms of career, family and financially.


I think 21 is right in terms of age/experience. 18 is too young, because all she will have experienced at that stage is school.

I may revise to be until after she has finished uni if that's the way she chooses to go.

As for some poor bloke having me as a father in law, it may be some poor lass instead.


I have a friend who her parents did similar, kind of.

They saved up $20k for each child (ended up having 4 girls) and on their 20th (no idea why 20th) birthdays the girls were given the $20k to spend how they please. The thing is - the parents have made it a well-known fact that they won't be chipping in for the girls weddings if they choose to get married - so the girls basically had the choice of saving it for a house, saving it for a wedding, or spending it how they chose. So 2 of the girls spent their $20k on European adventures, the other 2 are yet to receive it but I'm sure the closest one will waste it, and I'm not sure what the youngest will do.
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I'd be doing a scholarship style trust to put my kids through Uni.

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I'd be doing a scholarship style trust to put my kids through Uni.

-PB

Why would you bother with that? Just get one of your supporters to give them scholarships #endOfEntitlement

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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Don't think notor ' s daughter is going to date for a while :lol:


Probably dovetails into the response to pv4's question in AATRPA, but will address a little bit here.

I'm not opposed to the idea of her dating when she feels it's right for her. I can't protect her for the world, but I can prepare her for it. I can teach her how to think and to identify her feelings/senses so that she's making decisions accordingly.

If I do my job right, I won't have to worry about her boyfriends. Edit: or girlfriends, but I'm pretty sure she's straight.

Edited by Notorganic: 25/8/2014 03:42:21 PM
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notorganic wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Don't think notor ' s daughter is going to date for a while :lol:


Probably dovetails into the response to pv4's question in AATRPA, but will address a little bit here.

I'm not opposed to the idea of her dating when she feels it's right for her. I can't protect her for the world, but I can prepare her for it. I can teach her how to think and to identify her feelings/senses so that she's making decisions accordingly.

If I do my job right, I won't have to worry about her boyfriends. Edit: or girlfriends, but I'm pretty sure she's straight.

Edited by Notorganic: 25/8/2014 03:42:21 PM


How old is she?
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3 :lol:
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notorganic wrote:
3 :lol:


Oh :lol: probs a little early to worry about dating, and wether or not she is straight for that matter :lol:
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I'm not worried, I'm preparing. She's in her formative years now. I just say that I'm going pretty sure she's straight because of what I've observed, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she was gay or somewhere else on the queer spectrum.
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notorganic wrote:
I'm not worried, I'm preparing. She's in her formative years now. I just say that I'm going pretty sure she's straight because of what I've observed, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she was gay or somewhere else on the queer spectrum.


Oh well....at least you wont be like this guy. :lol:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/cecil-chao-offers-147-million-to-the-man-who-will-marry-his-lesbian-daughter-gigi-chao/story-fnet09p2-1226809340908
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A HONG KONG tycoon may double a "marriage bounty" to find a male suitor for his gay daughter to US$130 million ($147 million), despite his initial offer attracting 20,000 candidates, a report said.
Two years ago, wealthy property developer Cecil Chao made global headlines by offering a reward of HK$500 million ($73.63 million) to any man who could persuade daughter Gigi to marry.
He is now considering increasing his offer, a report in a Malaysian financial publication said.
The 77-year-old tycoon "hinted this figure could be doubled (to HK $1 billion) if someone could capture her heart", The Edge said. "I don't want to interfere with my daughter's private life. I only hope for her to have a good marriage and children as well as inherit my business," Chao told the publication.
But this fresh attempt at a financial sweetener for any man who can win Gigi's heart has left her upset and her female partner of nine years Sean Eav "distraught", the South China Morning Post said.

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notorganic wrote:
I'm not worried, I'm preparing. She's in her formative years now. I just say that I'm going pretty sure she's straight because of what I've observed, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she was gay or somewhere else on the queer spectrum.


Are you of the opinion one is born gay, choose to be gay or somewhat learn to be gay as they get older?
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I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.
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notorganic wrote:
I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.


Ok, I agree with that.
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notorganic wrote:
I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?
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SocaWho wrote:
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I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.
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SocaWho wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I'm not worried, I'm preparing. She's in her formative years now. I just say that I'm going pretty sure she's straight because of what I've observed, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she was gay or somewhere else on the queer spectrum.


Oh well....at least you wont be like this guy. :lol:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/cecil-chao-offers-147-million-to-the-man-who-will-marry-his-lesbian-daughter-gigi-chao/story-fnet09p2-1226809340908
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A HONG KONG tycoon may double a "marriage bounty" to find a male suitor for his gay daughter to US$130 million ($147 million), despite his initial offer attracting 20,000 candidates, a report said.
Two years ago, wealthy property developer Cecil Chao made global headlines by offering a reward of HK$500 million ($73.63 million) to any man who could persuade daughter Gigi to marry.
He is now considering increasing his offer, a report in a Malaysian financial publication said.
The 77-year-old tycoon "hinted this figure could be doubled (to HK $1 billion) if someone could capture her heart", The Edge said. "I don't want to interfere with my daughter's private life. I only hope for her to have a good marriage and children as well as inherit my business," Chao told the publication.
But this fresh attempt at a financial sweetener for any man who can win Gigi's heart has left her upset and her female partner of nine years Sean Eav "distraught", the South China Morning Post said.

If the female partner gets a sex change, then she'll make a billion dollars.
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3 :lol:

And I must say she is a little cutie . My oldest kidling wants to meet yours . Maybe this time I won't smash my wife's car :lol: or you go to the wrong ground
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notorganic wrote:
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I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.

Alright, just to test the waters here... Does anyone have any percentage on homosexual men having an absent father? I haven't seen many studies, but in my experience, it's pretty high.

I'm not saying its necessarily choice to be attracted to men, but there must be factors that impact on their decision to embrace their homosexuality and for example, become quite flamboyant. I'm not saying all gay men are flamboyant, but lets be honest, generally you can pick gay men.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
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I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.

Alright, just to test the waters here... Does anyone have any percentage on homosexual men having an absent father? I haven't seen many studies, but in my experience, it's pretty high.

I'm not saying its necessarily choice to be attracted to men, but there must be factors that impact on their decision to embrace their homosexuality and for example, become quite flamboyant. I'm not saying all gay men are flamboyant, but lets be honest, generally you can pick gay men.


The point about absent dads is interesting. I guess it may have more of an impact if the dad is absent from early on in the sons life rather then say 13/14. Now that I think about it there is one boy I used to coach in U15's who is gay ( im 95% sure) and his father left very early on.

" there decision to embrace their homosexuality" I think its more the fact that they have had enough of pretending to be something they arent.

And TBH in Australia today I dont think its as easy to pick out the gay guy as it was say 10 years ago. The way fashion has gone in recent times in Australia, what would have been considered a "gay" shirt 10 years ago is now just fashonable. We are a very metro society.

As a young Aussie guy in America and Canada a couple of months ago, I dressed pretty "gay" by their standards, but its just whats in fashion here :lol: lets just say its still fashionable to wear shorts that go well below the knee over there :lol:


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Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
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I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.

Alright, just to test the waters here... Does anyone have any percentage on homosexual men having an absent father? I haven't seen many studies, but in my experience, it's pretty high.

I'm not saying its necessarily choice to be attracted to men, but there must be factors that impact on their decision to embrace their homosexuality and for example, become quite flamboyant. I'm not saying all gay men are flamboyant, but lets be honest, generally you can pick gay men.

I know several gay men who are very close with their fathers, so I'm not sure there's any correlation there. I don't believe that homosexuality is a case of nurture over nature.

Regarding the whole trust fund thing, I think 21 is too old. I didn't have access to what my grandparents left me until I was 25 and I still haven't touched it because I don't have any need to, and I can put it to use in the future should I want to make a major investment such as in a house. I would have spent it frivolously if I had access to it at age 21.
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Roar #1 wrote:
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notorganic wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
notorganic wrote:
I believe that for the most part humans don't choose their sexuality.

As in their DNA chooses it for them?

I don't know the exact process, but recent research seems to suggest that it's genetic... So choice would be the incorrect word to use.

Alright, just to test the waters here... Does anyone have any percentage on homosexual men having an absent father? I haven't seen many studies, but in my experience, it's pretty high.

I'm not saying its necessarily choice to be attracted to men, but there must be factors that impact on their decision to embrace their homosexuality and for example, become quite flamboyant. I'm not saying all gay men are flamboyant, but lets be honest, generally you can pick gay men.


The point about absent dads is interesting. I guess it may have more of an impact if the dad is absent from early on in the sons life rather then say 13/14. Now that I think about it there is one boy I used to coach in U15's who is gay ( im 95% sure) and his father left very early on.

" there decision to embrace their homosexuality" I think its more the fact that they have had enough of pretending to be something they arent.

And TBH in Australia today I dont think its as easy to pick out the gay guy as it was say 10 years ago. The way fashion has gone in recent times in Australia, what would have been considered a "gay" shirt 10 years ago is now just fashonable. We are a very metro society.

As a young Aussie guy in America and Canada a couple of months ago, I dressed pretty "gay" by their standards, but its just whats in fashion here :lol: lets just say its still fashionable to wear shorts that go well below the knee over there :lol:


Haha good point about North Americans... Worst sense of fashion hey! I used to cop it all the time for wearing skinny jeans and shirt that here were considered fairly on trend.

As for the embracing the homosexuality, I merely meant small things like 'that' voice, the hand gestures, the terms like sweetie and honey. They'll all just personality things that they've chosen to adopt, just like I've chose to adopt calling people 'mate'. In my opinion, the average homosexual lifestyle is an attraction to the same sex and then everything else is pretty much a choice for the sake of image, just like it is with heterosexuals. I think we tend to see it all as one package at times, and we don't break it down to what it actually is.
We shouldn't be afraid of being uncomfortable with the voice, or being called honey... Just like we shouldn't be afraid be afraid of being do comfortable with people who sing or talk to themselves in public.
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I think the camp behaviours and mannerisms are more just to advertise that they are homosexual to other homosexuals more than anything else. It's the homosexual version of the peacocking gym-junkie, Ed Hardy wearing macho guy.

I know plenty of gay guys who you wouldn't have any idea were gay if I didn't tell you. If you're an observant person and capable of reading micro-expressions etc. then you can always tell though. Everyone likes a perv, and watching where their eyes go when an attractive woman walks past is always a good hint to a person's sexuality :lol:
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In terms of 'that voice', at what age did you decide how deep your voice would be?
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notorganic wrote:
In terms of 'that voice', at what age did you decide how deep your voice would be?

I know what you're saying... But I have two points for this:
1. I know a few gay guys who switch it on and off depending on company. That's just that I've noticed.
2. There surely isn't a 'gay gene' that decides your voice will be high and that you'll be sexually attracted to men.

EDIT: also, if you pay attention carefully, it's not always how high the voice is opposed to the tone of voice they use.

Edited by eastern glory: 25/8/2014 09:02:38 PM
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It's not necessarily the pitch of the voice but the use of inflection.
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Just to clarify, I have nothing against gay people, I just think they're way too untouchable in society. I just think they should be treated equally and that includes pointing out somewhat frustrating character flaws that individuals possess.
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People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.
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I think the camp behaviours and mannerisms are more just to advertise that they are homosexual to other homosexuals more than anything else. It's the homosexual version of the peacocking gym-junkie, Ed Hardy wearing macho guy.

I know plenty of gay guys who you wouldn't have any idea were gay if I didn't tell you. If you're an observant person and capable of reading micro-expressions etc. then you can always tell though. Everyone likes a perv, and watching where their eyes go when an attractive woman walks past is always a good hint to a person's sexuality :lol:


Thats what I am thinking, Dont know if that is correct, that was just my thought.

And I agree that not all gay guys act the same way. But I am a very observant person so I can normally pick them out, but I have been surprised on a couple of occasions :lol:
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Man this thread keeps on giving, Nice work SocaWho :lol: =d>

Started off about Dan whats his name and has ended up with how to spot a gay :lol:
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People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.

So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!

I think political correctness is so freaking close to making us overlook obvious things purely because it's uncomfortable to admit them! There is always choice involved in personality. Simple as that.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
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People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.

So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!

I think political correctness is so freaking close to making us overlook obvious things purely because it's uncomfortable to admit them! There is always choice involved in personality. Simple as that.

There is only a small amount of choice in personality. This is evidenced by the predictability of people in their response to situations.

This forum is a good example. Every poster has a different personality, and those personalities don't change apart from a few posters becoming slowly more mature over several years. Everyone else's responses are predictable even down to the writing style.

On another note something doesn't have to be genetic to be natural. Most things that are natural are not genetic, but occur due to natural exposure to the environment, an exposure that is likely unavoidable for all intents and purposes.
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u4486662 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
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People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.

So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!

I think political correctness is so freaking close to making us overlook obvious things purely because it's uncomfortable to admit them! There is always choice involved in personality. Simple as that.

There is only a small amount of choice in personality. This is evidenced by the predictability of people in their response to situations.

This forum is a good example. Every poster has a different personality, and those personalities don't change apart from a few posters becoming slowly more mature over several years. Everyone else's responses are predictable even down to the writing style.

On another note something doesn't have to be genetic to be natural. Most things that are natural are not genetic, but occur due to natural exposure to the environment, an exposure that is likely unavoidable for all intents and purposes.

I'll agree to disagree there. I think we many things form our personalities and as we mature we change things which alter our personality as a whole. I think there is a huge amount of choice in personality. We choose to lie, we choose to be aggressive, violent, polite, self centred ect. There things all come from choices that reflect in our character.

That's an interesting point, because that second sentence is pretty close to the definition of nurture. If things we are exposed to impact is (which of course they do) then that's the way we are nurtured (obviously to a certain point in time).
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It is redicoulus that in this day and age being gay is still a big issue and that coming out is even a thing.

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Roar #1 wrote:
It is redicoulus that in this day and age being gay is still a big issue and that coming out is even a thing.

Of course it's sad that it's still a big issue, but my issue isn't with homosexuality itself, it's with people thinking that certain mannerisms aren't put on to an extent, and that some people think we don't have the right not not like certain things about gay people.

If they are equal, then they are open to criticism just the same as I am.
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Roar #1 wrote:
Started off about Dan whats his name and has ended up with how to spot a gay :lol:

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Just to clarify, I have nothing against gay people, I just think they're way too untouchable in society. I just think they should be treated equally and that includes pointing out somewhat frustrating character flaws that individuals possess.

I think that any camp and in your face homosexual should be regarded the same as any meathead who advertises their heterosexuality. Ok, you're gay I get it, now calm down and act like a civilized human being.
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afromanGT wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Just to clarify, I have nothing against gay people, I just think they're way too untouchable in society. I just think they should be treated equally and that includes pointing out somewhat frustrating character flaws that individuals possess.

I think that any camp and in your face homosexual should be regarded the same as any meathead who advertises their heterosexuality. Ok, you're gay I get it, now calm down and act like a civilized human being.


Yeah its the same for the juiced up straight guy who struts around like hes instantly making every girl wet with his presence.
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afromanGT wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Just to clarify, I have nothing against gay people, I just think they're way too untouchable in society. I just think they should be treated equally and that includes pointing out somewhat frustrating character flaws that individuals possess.

I think that any camp and in your face homosexual should be regarded the same as any meathead who advertises their heterosexuality. Ok, you're gay I get it, now calm down and act like a civilized human being.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% the point I'm making =d>
Same goes for Roar1's example =d>
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Eastern Glory wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.

So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!

I think political correctness is so freaking close to making us overlook obvious things purely because it's uncomfortable to admit them! There is always choice involved in personality. Simple as that.

There is only a small amount of choice in personality. This is evidenced by the predictability of people in their response to situations.

This forum is a good example. Every poster has a different personality, and those personalities don't change apart from a few posters becoming slowly more mature over several years. Everyone else's responses are predictable even down to the writing style.

On another note something doesn't have to be genetic to be natural. Most things that are natural are not genetic, but occur due to natural exposure to the environment, an exposure that is likely unavoidable for all intents and purposes.

I'll agree to disagree there. I think we many things form our personalities and as we mature we change things which alter our personality as a whole. I think there is a huge amount of choice in personality. We choose to lie, we choose to be aggressive, violent, polite, self centred ect. There things all come from choices that reflect in our character.

That's an interesting point, because that second sentence is pretty close to the definition of nurture. If things we are exposed to impact is (which of course they do) then that's the way we are nurtured (obviously to a certain point in time).

What I mean by natural exposure are things that are more focused on the natural environment, like prematurity, exposure to certain infectious diseases, exposure/underexposure to sunlight, access to clean drinking water etc.

Rather than nurture, which is more aligned with aspects such as parenting style, religious beliefs etc.

As to what causes people to be gay, personally I suspect, like most things, it is a combination of genes, natural exposure and nurturing style. I don't think someone has a choice, mostly because no child has a choice in what genes, exposure or nurturing style they receive.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then
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So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

Yep, understood. It's hard to deny a concentration of the Mr G voice among gay men though. If it's not put on (to some degree, whether through practice, habit or conscious effort) then why is that the case?
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Fredsta wrote:
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So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.
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SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?
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Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?

I don't have a clue. Im not implying its a bad thing...but I guess its just more common for gay men to act like that so hence thats why its the stereotype. A bit like someone saying the stereotypical Asian has black hair and are short because most if not all people have those traits.
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SocaWho wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?

I don't have a clue. Im not implying its a bad thing...but I guess its just more common for gay men to act like that so hence thats why its the stereotype. A bit like someone saying the stereotypical Asian has black hair and are short because most if not all people have those traits.

Except that those things are genetic, so it makes sense.
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RedKat wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?


Saying that stereotypes are an accurate depiction ](*,)

"Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason" - "Honeypot" episode of Archer.
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RedKat wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?


Saying that stereotypes are an accurate depiction ](*,)

Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?


Saying that stereotypes are an accurate depiction ](*,)

Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.
Isn't gayness more of an effeminate stereotype rather than effeminateness a gay stereotype?
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notorganic wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?


Saying that stereotypes are an accurate depiction ](*,)

Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.
Isn't gayness more of an effeminate stereotype rather than effeminateness a gay stereotype?

That's probably true actually, Not a bad point really.
Need to think more about that one.
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notorganic wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.
Isn't gayness more of an effeminate stereotype rather than effeminateness a gay stereotype?

I guess effeminate behaviour is a gay stereotype in the same way Diesel Dykes is a lesbian stereotype.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!


It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?


Saying that stereotypes are an accurate depiction ](*,)

Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.
Isn't gayness more of an effeminate stereotype rather than effeminateness a gay stereotype?

That's probably true actually, Not a bad point really.
Need to think more about that one.


You're going to think more about gay men? ha gaaaay ;)
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